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Post by wiz on Oct 7, 2020 18:41:13 GMT -6
It must be nearly a year..... feels like it anyway.
I was using a MOTU16A, Modded Soundcraft Delta, and mucho hardware.
I was recording Live drums, miking guitar amps, etc.
It had taken me years to build up the hardware collection, and microphone collection.
I would have to track to a click, as I play all the instruments.
It was quite an involved and time consuming process.
I never really liked the end result of tracking to a click, but what you gonna do? (remember one man show).
Logic, brought out a feature called SMART TEMPO. This means I can record my acoustic guitar and main vocal in one take, onto seperate tracks (using a U87 in fig 8 vocals, and Rode NTR ribbon, Fig 8, on acoustic). Then I can analyse the acoustic guitar part, and easily and quickly create a tempo map for the song.
Then I can play drums in, via my Roland TKD17KV, using Superior Drummer 3 against that tempo map. I can quickly edit, quantise etc the drums, and now I have a drum part locked as tight or loose as I wish, to the acoustic guitar part.
This is important... I have a gazillion hours playing and singing and playing acoustic guitar at the same time live. Its how I work best.
I then over dub bass guitar. Then other guitars etc.
So, this means, I leave my two mics set up all the time... walk in. .... turn on the gear.... open a logic project.... hit record..... do a take(s) till I get the right pass I want.. usually within 1-3 passes.
Map out the tempo
Play the drums
Play the bass
then I have gone to LINE 6 HELIX LT for my electric guitar sounds. I record this live into LOGIC, using HX EDIT to edit the sounds. So this is committed.
Its super quick, and has the vibe I really like.
What has made this possible is the Apollo X8P in a large degree, and without SMART TEMPO in Logic none of this would be possible.
APOLLO 8XP
I bought it, but honestly could do with the X6. I bought a second hand OCTO satellite to go with it, giving me more than enough DSP Memory for what I do.
I kept my two special outboard preamps, a Seimens V72 and a BAE 1073DMP.
The DMP is used on vocals and harmonica, the V72 is used on acoustic instruments.
I use no external compression.
When I record the acoustic and vocal together, I monitor through the APOLLO CONSOLE APP. I have no other effects going other than CAPITOL CHAMBERS reverb on the vocal.
I do not commit the reverb. Its comfort verb. I use an external headphone monitor amp, and EXTREME ISOLATION cans. The sound in my cans is nothing short of GLORIUS.
It is the best cans mix I have ever sung through and Is completely inspiring. The guitar sound is incredible, Taylor acoustic, and its just so wonderful to perform like that. Magic.
Everything is set up as presets in console, vocal and acoustic tracking, bass tracking, where I plug directly into the APOLLO line insert on the front and have the UA610A plug inserted and I commit to that sound at the time of tracking... over dubbing drums and guitars, all is a preset set up with a inspiring sound to play through and monitor.
I insert the UA plugs I am mixing with in LOGIC as each instrument gets tracked, so when overdubbing I am essentially recording into a finished mix. Very very nice.
I use few plugs...
Capitol Chambers for reverb, a little on the vocal and maybe solo guitar just about does it.
Each track gets OXIDE tape plug in
Neve 1084 and UA610A and B. These three EQs are the only ones I really need.. should I need to notch something, PROQ3 by fabfilter would be the go, though I can recall using it lately.
UA LA2 plug in, and LA2 Grey are getting used on a lot of things....I bought the UA176 but not finding the need to use...wish you could sell or transfer UA plugs to someone else... eventually might be some cheap UA thing, load it up with the plugs I don't use and sell/transfer to someone who wants them. Maybe that would work?
I use RX7 to de noise the acoustic tracks. Gives that clean seperated sound I love to tracks in a mix.
The stereo buss gets the SSL G buss comp and the ATR102 tape plug in.
and at end mix time, the PRO L limiter and OZONE 9 get a look in, OZONE used to tighten the bottom end.
The "room" sound is my BRICASTI M7M being controlled by the M7 Plug in.
The drums are Superior Drummer, with a preset I have made up from the default kit. I bought DECADES but just don't use it.. must sell that on.
I am producing nice sounding mixes, I used to do that with all the hardware too, this is faster and my output has exponentially increased. Its wonderful.
I am enjoying making music more than I ever have in my life...I think time of life has a lot to do with that...and this set up works great for me, I no longer have clients so a lot of what I used to have is no longer important...wow factor of console and hardware... .real acoustic kit ..... all the mics and preamps that go with that.
I sold nearly 25K in gear after going this way..........twenty.....five....thousand....dollars. I made money on all but one of the pieces of hardware I sold.
I still have a LA2A here and some transformers etc to off load.
I did my last album, Guitar Strings Pen Paper, with this setup. It turned out great, and was the quickest album to make to date.
I have been working on Album number 9, and its better than the last, and fast and inspired.
I loved my time with hardware, loved working on it, fixing it, using knobs. Would never have become what I am with using it. Its a wonderful training ground.
But at nearly 56 years old.. semi retired... this is the way forward for me.
The Apollo is the best sounding interface I have ever used.
The plugs sound better than I remember, and I don't feel worse off from not having hardware.
My 2012 iMac is not using much CPU due to the DSP available.
Thought you guys might like an update.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 7, 2020 18:53:11 GMT -6
It must be nearly a year..... feels like it anyway. I was using a MOTU16A, Modded Soundcraft Delta, and mucho hardware. I was recording Live drums, miking guitar amps, etc. It had taken me years to build up the hardware collection, and microphone collection. I would have to track to a click, as I play all the instruments. It was quite an involved and time consuming process. I never really liked the end result of tracking to a click, but what you gonna do? (remember one man show). Logic, brought out a feature called SMART TEMPO. This means I can record my acoustic guitar and main vocal in one take, onto seperate tracks (using a U87 in fig 8 vocals, and Rode NTR ribbon, Fig 8, on acoustic). Then I can analyse the acoustic guitar part, and easily and quickly create a tempo map for the song. Then I can play drums in, via my Roland TKD17KV, using Superior Drummer 3 against that tempo map. I can quickly edit, quantise etc the drums, and now I have a drum part locked as tight or loose as I wish, to the acoustic guitar part. This is important... I have a gazillion hours playing and singing and playing acoustic guitar at the same time live. Its how I work best. I then over dub bass guitar. Then other guitars etc. So, this means, I leave my two mics set up all the time... walk in. .... turn on the gear.... open a logic project.... hit record..... do a take(s) till I get the right pass I want.. usually within 1-3 passes. Map out the tempo Play the drums Play the bass then I have gone to LINE 6 HELIX LT for my electric guitar sounds. I record this live into LOGIC, using HX EDIT to edit the sounds. So this is committed. Its super quick, and has the vibe I really like. What has made this possible is the Apollo X8P in a large degree, and without SMART TEMPO in Logic none of this would be possible. APOLLO 8XP I bought it, but honestly could do with the X6. I bought a second hand OCTO satellite to go with it, giving me more than enough DSP Memory for what I do. I kept my two special outboard preamps, a Seimens V72 and a BAE 1073DMP. The DMP is used on vocals and harmonica, the V72 is used on acoustic instruments. I use no external compression. When I record the acoustic and vocal together, I monitor through the APOLLO CONSOLE APP. I have no other effects going other than CAPITOL CHAMBERS reverb on the vocal. I do not commit the reverb. Its comfort verb. I use an external headphone monitor amp, and EXTREME ISOLATION cans. The sound in my cans is nothing short of GLORIUS. It is the best cans mix I have ever sung through and Is completely inspiring. The guitar sound is incredible, Taylor acoustic, and its just so wonderful to perform like that. Magic. Everything is set up as presets in console, vocal and acoustic tracking, bass tracking, where I plug directly into the APOLLO line insert on the front and have the UA610A plug inserted and I commit to that sound at the time of tracking... over dubbing drums and guitars, all is a preset set up with a inspiring sound to play through and monitor. I insert the UA plugs I am mixing with in LOGIC as each instrument gets tracked, so when overdubbing I am essentially recording into a finished mix. Very very nice. I use few plugs... Capitol Chambers for reverb, a little on the vocal and maybe solo guitar just about does it. Each track gets OXIDE tape plug in Neve 1084 and UA610A and B. These three EQs are the only ones I really need.. should I need to notch something, PROQ3 by fabfilter would be the go, though I can recall using it lately. UA LA2 plug in, and LA2 Grey are getting used on a lot of things....I bought the UA176 but not finding the need to use...wish you could sell or transfer UA plugs to someone else... eventually might be some cheap UA thing, load it up with the plugs I don't use and sell/transfer to someone who wants them. Maybe that would work? I use RX7 to de noise the acoustic tracks. Gives that clean seperated sound I love to tracks in a mix. The stereo buss gets the SSL G buss comp and the ATR102 tape plug in. and at end mix time, the PRO L limiter and OZONE 9 get a look in, OZONE used to tighten the bottom end. The "room" sound is my BRICASTI M7M being controlled by the M7 Plug in. The drums are Superior Drummer, with a preset I have made up from the default kit. I bought DECADES but just don't use it.. must sell that on. I am producing nice sounding mixes, I used to do that with all the hardware too, this is faster and my output has exponentially increased. Its wonderful. I am enjoying making music more than I ever have in my life...I think time of life has a lot to do with that...and this set up works great for me, I no longer have clients so a lot of what I used to have is no longer important...wow factor of console and hardware... .real acoustic kit ..... all the mics and preamps that go with that. I sold nearly 25K in gear after going this way..........twenty.....five....thousand....dollars. I made money on all but one of the pieces of hardware I sold. I still have a LA2A here and some transformers etc to off load. I did my last album, Guitar Strings Pen Paper, with this setup. It turned out great, and was the quickest album to make to date. I have been working on Album number 9, and its better than the last, and fast and inspired. I loved my time with hardware, loved working on it, fixing it, using knobs. Would never have become what I am with using it. Its a wonderful training ground. But at nearly 56 years old.. semi retired... this is the way forward for me. The Apollo is the best sounding interface I have ever used. The plugs sound better than I remember, and I don't feel worse off from not having hardware. My 2012 iMac is not using much CPU due to the DSP available. Thought you guys might like an update. Cheers Wiz Very cool man! Whatever inspires you to keep working and writing with the greatest of ease to get your desired result is the best way forward. There are no rules - happy for you! |
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 7, 2020 19:20:07 GMT -6
It must be nearly a year..... feels like it anyway. I was using a MOTU16A, Modded Soundcraft Delta, and mucho hardware. I was recording Live drums, miking guitar amps, etc. It had taken me years to build up the hardware collection, and microphone collection. I would have to track to a click, as I play all the instruments. It was quite an involved and time consuming process. I never really liked the end result of tracking to a click, but what you gonna do? (remember one man show). Logic, brought out a feature called SMART TEMPO. This means I can record my acoustic guitar and main vocal in one take, onto seperate tracks (using a U87 in fig 8 vocals, and Rode NTR ribbon, Fig 8, on acoustic). Then I can analyse the acoustic guitar part, and easily and quickly create a tempo map for the song. Then I can play drums in, via my Roland TKD17KV, using Superior Drummer 3 against that tempo map. I can quickly edit, quantise etc the drums, and now I have a drum part locked as tight or loose as I wish, to the acoustic guitar part. This is important... I have a gazillion hours playing and singing and playing acoustic guitar at the same time live. Its how I work best. I then over dub bass guitar. Then other guitars etc. So, this means, I leave my two mics set up all the time... walk in. .... turn on the gear.... open a logic project.... hit record..... do a take(s) till I get the right pass I want.. usually within 1-3 passes. Map out the tempo Play the drums Play the bass then I have gone to LINE 6 HELIX LT for my electric guitar sounds. I record this live into LOGIC, using HX EDIT to edit the sounds. So this is committed. Its super quick, and has the vibe I really like. What has made this possible is the Apollo X8P in a large degree, and without SMART TEMPO in Logic none of this would be possible. APOLLO 8XP I bought it, but honestly could do with the X6. I bought a second hand OCTO satellite to go with it, giving me more than enough DSP Memory for what I do. I kept my two special outboard preamps, a Seimens V72 and a BAE 1073DMP. The DMP is used on vocals and harmonica, the V72 is used on acoustic instruments. I use no external compression. When I record the acoustic and vocal together, I monitor through the APOLLO CONSOLE APP. I have no other effects going other than CAPITOL CHAMBERS reverb on the vocal. I do not commit the reverb. Its comfort verb. I use an external headphone monitor amp, and EXTREME ISOLATION cans. The sound in my cans is nothing short of GLORIUS. It is the best cans mix I have ever sung through and Is completely inspiring. The guitar sound is incredible, Taylor acoustic, and its just so wonderful to perform like that. Magic. Everything is set up as presets in console, vocal and acoustic tracking, bass tracking, where I plug directly into the APOLLO line insert on the front and have the UA610A plug inserted and I commit to that sound at the time of tracking... over dubbing drums and guitars, all is a preset set up with a inspiring sound to play through and monitor. I insert the UA plugs I am mixing with in LOGIC as each instrument gets tracked, so when overdubbing I am essentially recording into a finished mix. Very very nice. I use few plugs... Capitol Chambers for reverb, a little on the vocal and maybe solo guitar just about does it. Each track gets OXIDE tape plug in Neve 1084 and UA610A and B. These three EQs are the only ones I really need.. should I need to notch something, PROQ3 by fabfilter would be the go, though I can recall using it lately. UA LA2 plug in, and LA2 Grey are getting used on a lot of things....I bought the UA176 but not finding the need to use...wish you could sell or transfer UA plugs to someone else... eventually might be some cheap UA thing, load it up with the plugs I don't use and sell/transfer to someone who wants them. Maybe that would work? I use RX7 to de noise the acoustic tracks. Gives that clean seperated sound I love to tracks in a mix. The stereo buss gets the SSL G buss comp and the ATR102 tape plug in. and at end mix time, the PRO L limiter and OZONE 9 get a look in, OZONE used to tighten the bottom end. The "room" sound is my BRICASTI M7M being controlled by the M7 Plug in. The drums are Superior Drummer, with a preset I have made up from the default kit. I bought DECADES but just don't use it.. must sell that on. I am producing nice sounding mixes, I used to do that with all the hardware too, this is faster and my output has exponentially increased. Its wonderful. I am enjoying making music more than I ever have in my life...I think time of life has a lot to do with that...and this set up works great for me, I no longer have clients so a lot of what I used to have is no longer important...wow factor of console and hardware... .real acoustic kit ..... all the mics and preamps that go with that. I sold nearly 25K in gear after going this way..........twenty.....five....thousand....dollars. I made money on all but one of the pieces of hardware I sold. I still have a LA2A here and some transformers etc to off load. I did my last album, Guitar Strings Pen Paper, with this setup. It turned out great, and was the quickest album to make to date. I have been working on Album number 9, and its better than the last, and fast and inspired. I loved my time with hardware, loved working on it, fixing it, using knobs. Would never have become what I am with using it. Its a wonderful training ground. But at nearly 56 years old.. semi retired... this is the way forward for me. The Apollo is the best sounding interface I have ever used. The plugs sound better than I remember, and I don't feel worse off from not having hardware. My 2012 iMac is not using much CPU due to the DSP available. Thought you guys might like an update. Cheers Wiz Cool information, but I am a bit confused, in the Delta200 thread you wrote that you are nearly plug in free? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 7, 2020 20:16:02 GMT -6
Very happy for you Wiz, am following in your footsteps and have an x6, octo on the way.
Re: selling ua plugs : it’s all or none of what you bought. I have read of people putting plugs they don’t want in another system and selling but don’t know if that is true. You could check with CS.
Like you I am trying to minimize my ua plug ins and bought one of the 10 plug deals. When I sold all my ua stuff before, I thought I really only use 10-15 plugs.
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Post by wiz on Oct 7, 2020 21:35:39 GMT -6
It must be nearly a year..... feels like it anyway. I was using a MOTU16A, Modded Soundcraft Delta, and mucho hardware. I was recording Live drums, miking guitar amps, etc. It had taken me years to build up the hardware collection, and microphone collection. I would have to track to a click, as I play all the instruments. It was quite an involved and time consuming process. I never really liked the end result of tracking to a click, but what you gonna do? (remember one man show). Logic, brought out a feature called SMART TEMPO. This means I can record my acoustic guitar and main vocal in one take, onto seperate tracks (using a U87 in fig 8 vocals, and Rode NTR ribbon, Fig 8, on acoustic). Then I can analyse the acoustic guitar part, and easily and quickly create a tempo map for the song. Then I can play drums in, via my Roland TKD17KV, using Superior Drummer 3 against that tempo map. I can quickly edit, quantise etc the drums, and now I have a drum part locked as tight or loose as I wish, to the acoustic guitar part. This is important... I have a gazillion hours playing and singing and playing acoustic guitar at the same time live. Its how I work best. I then over dub bass guitar. Then other guitars etc. So, this means, I leave my two mics set up all the time... walk in. .... turn on the gear.... open a logic project.... hit record..... do a take(s) till I get the right pass I want.. usually within 1-3 passes. Map out the tempo Play the drums Play the bass then I have gone to LINE 6 HELIX LT for my electric guitar sounds. I record this live into LOGIC, using HX EDIT to edit the sounds. So this is committed. Its super quick, and has the vibe I really like. What has made this possible is the Apollo X8P in a large degree, and without SMART TEMPO in Logic none of this would be possible. APOLLO 8XP I bought it, but honestly could do with the X6. I bought a second hand OCTO satellite to go with it, giving me more than enough DSP Memory for what I do. I kept my two special outboard preamps, a Seimens V72 and a BAE 1073DMP. The DMP is used on vocals and harmonica, the V72 is used on acoustic instruments. I use no external compression. When I record the acoustic and vocal together, I monitor through the APOLLO CONSOLE APP. I have no other effects going other than CAPITOL CHAMBERS reverb on the vocal. I do not commit the reverb. Its comfort verb. I use an external headphone monitor amp, and EXTREME ISOLATION cans. The sound in my cans is nothing short of GLORIUS. It is the best cans mix I have ever sung through and Is completely inspiring. The guitar sound is incredible, Taylor acoustic, and its just so wonderful to perform like that. Magic. Everything is set up as presets in console, vocal and acoustic tracking, bass tracking, where I plug directly into the APOLLO line insert on the front and have the UA610A plug inserted and I commit to that sound at the time of tracking... over dubbing drums and guitars, all is a preset set up with a inspiring sound to play through and monitor. I insert the UA plugs I am mixing with in LOGIC as each instrument gets tracked, so when overdubbing I am essentially recording into a finished mix. Very very nice. I use few plugs... Capitol Chambers for reverb, a little on the vocal and maybe solo guitar just about does it. Each track gets OXIDE tape plug in Neve 1084 and UA610A and B. These three EQs are the only ones I really need.. should I need to notch something, PROQ3 by fabfilter would be the go, though I can recall using it lately. UA LA2 plug in, and LA2 Grey are getting used on a lot of things....I bought the UA176 but not finding the need to use...wish you could sell or transfer UA plugs to someone else... eventually might be some cheap UA thing, load it up with the plugs I don't use and sell/transfer to someone who wants them. Maybe that would work? I use RX7 to de noise the acoustic tracks. Gives that clean seperated sound I love to tracks in a mix. The stereo buss gets the SSL G buss comp and the ATR102 tape plug in. and at end mix time, the PRO L limiter and OZONE 9 get a look in, OZONE used to tighten the bottom end. The "room" sound is my BRICASTI M7M being controlled by the M7 Plug in. The drums are Superior Drummer, with a preset I have made up from the default kit. I bought DECADES but just don't use it.. must sell that on. I am producing nice sounding mixes, I used to do that with all the hardware too, this is faster and my output has exponentially increased. Its wonderful. I am enjoying making music more than I ever have in my life...I think time of life has a lot to do with that...and this set up works great for me, I no longer have clients so a lot of what I used to have is no longer important...wow factor of console and hardware... .real acoustic kit ..... all the mics and preamps that go with that. I sold nearly 25K in gear after going this way..........twenty.....five....thousand....dollars. I made money on all but one of the pieces of hardware I sold. I still have a LA2A here and some transformers etc to off load. I did my last album, Guitar Strings Pen Paper, with this setup. It turned out great, and was the quickest album to make to date. I have been working on Album number 9, and its better than the last, and fast and inspired. I loved my time with hardware, loved working on it, fixing it, using knobs. Would never have become what I am with using it. Its a wonderful training ground. But at nearly 56 years old.. semi retired... this is the way forward for me. The Apollo is the best sounding interface I have ever used. The plugs sound better than I remember, and I don't feel worse off from not having hardware. My 2012 iMac is not using much CPU due to the DSP available. Thought you guys might like an update. Cheers Wiz Cool information, but I am a bit confused, in the Delta200 thread you wrote that you are nearly plug in free? Sorry for the confusion... I used very little plugins, when working with hardware....what I was alluding to was.... I am using few plug ins now...I didn't need to indulge in a lot of plug ins to be happy ITB. That wasn't the case when I was ITB say 10 years ago... hope that clears it up Cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2020 23:03:54 GMT -6
It must be nearly a year..... feels like it anyway. I was using a MOTU16A, Modded Soundcraft Delta, and mucho hardware. I was recording Live drums, miking guitar amps, etc. It had taken me years to build up the hardware collection, and microphone collection. I would have to track to a click, as I play all the instruments. It was quite an involved and time consuming process. I never really liked the end result of tracking to a click, but what you gonna do? (remember one man show). Logic, brought out a feature called SMART TEMPO. This means I can record my acoustic guitar and main vocal in one take, onto seperate tracks (using a U87 in fig 8 vocals, and Rode NTR ribbon, Fig 8, on acoustic). Then I can analyse the acoustic guitar part, and easily and quickly create a tempo map for the song. Then I can play drums in, via my Roland TKD17KV, using Superior Drummer 3 against that tempo map. I can quickly edit, quantise etc the drums, and now I have a drum part locked as tight or loose as I wish, to the acoustic guitar part. This is important... I have a gazillion hours playing and singing and playing acoustic guitar at the same time live. Its how I work best. I then over dub bass guitar. Then other guitars etc. So, this means, I leave my two mics set up all the time... walk in. .... turn on the gear.... open a logic project.... hit record..... do a take(s) till I get the right pass I want.. usually within 1-3 passes. Map out the tempo Play the drums Play the bass then I have gone to LINE 6 HELIX LT for my electric guitar sounds. I record this live into LOGIC, using HX EDIT to edit the sounds. So this is committed. Its super quick, and has the vibe I really like. What has made this possible is the Apollo X8P in a large degree, and without SMART TEMPO in Logic none of this would be possible. APOLLO 8XP I bought it, but honestly could do with the X6. I bought a second hand OCTO satellite to go with it, giving me more than enough DSP Memory for what I do. I kept my two special outboard preamps, a Seimens V72 and a BAE 1073DMP. The DMP is used on vocals and harmonica, the V72 is used on acoustic instruments. I use no external compression. When I record the acoustic and vocal together, I monitor through the APOLLO CONSOLE APP. I have no other effects going other than CAPITOL CHAMBERS reverb on the vocal. I do not commit the reverb. Its comfort verb. I use an external headphone monitor amp, and EXTREME ISOLATION cans. The sound in my cans is nothing short of GLORIUS. It is the best cans mix I have ever sung through and Is completely inspiring. The guitar sound is incredible, Taylor acoustic, and its just so wonderful to perform like that. Magic. Everything is set up as presets in console, vocal and acoustic tracking, bass tracking, where I plug directly into the APOLLO line insert on the front and have the UA610A plug inserted and I commit to that sound at the time of tracking... over dubbing drums and guitars, all is a preset set up with a inspiring sound to play through and monitor. I insert the UA plugs I am mixing with in LOGIC as each instrument gets tracked, so when overdubbing I am essentially recording into a finished mix. Very very nice. I use few plugs... Capitol Chambers for reverb, a little on the vocal and maybe solo guitar just about does it. Each track gets OXIDE tape plug in Neve 1084 and UA610A and B. These three EQs are the only ones I really need.. should I need to notch something, PROQ3 by fabfilter would be the go, though I can recall using it lately. UA LA2 plug in, and LA2 Grey are getting used on a lot of things....I bought the UA176 but not finding the need to use...wish you could sell or transfer UA plugs to someone else... eventually might be some cheap UA thing, load it up with the plugs I don't use and sell/transfer to someone who wants them. Maybe that would work? I use RX7 to de noise the acoustic tracks. Gives that clean seperated sound I love to tracks in a mix. The stereo buss gets the SSL G buss comp and the ATR102 tape plug in. and at end mix time, the PRO L limiter and OZONE 9 get a look in, OZONE used to tighten the bottom end. The "room" sound is my BRICASTI M7M being controlled by the M7 Plug in. The drums are Superior Drummer, with a preset I have made up from the default kit. I bought DECADES but just don't use it.. must sell that on. I am producing nice sounding mixes, I used to do that with all the hardware too, this is faster and my output has exponentially increased. Its wonderful. I am enjoying making music more than I ever have in my life...I think time of life has a lot to do with that...and this set up works great for me, I no longer have clients so a lot of what I used to have is no longer important...wow factor of console and hardware... .real acoustic kit ..... all the mics and preamps that go with that. I sold nearly 25K in gear after going this way..........twenty.....five....thousand....dollars. I made money on all but one of the pieces of hardware I sold. I still have a LA2A here and some transformers etc to off load. I did my last album, Guitar Strings Pen Paper, with this setup. It turned out great, and was the quickest album to make to date. I have been working on Album number 9, and its better than the last, and fast and inspired. I loved my time with hardware, loved working on it, fixing it, using knobs. Would never have become what I am with using it. Its a wonderful training ground. But at nearly 56 years old.. semi retired... this is the way forward for me. The Apollo is the best sounding interface I have ever used. The plugs sound better than I remember, and I don't feel worse off from not having hardware. My 2012 iMac is not using much CPU due to the DSP available. Thought you guys might like an update. Cheers Wiz Hell yeah man. I completely feel you. I still prefer outboard mic pres and one/two good comps...but I’m with you. It has come a long, long way - and I k ow how much convenience and ease of use goes for me... |
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Post by Quint on Oct 8, 2020 6:17:41 GMT -6
Does this Logic Smart Tempo thing work similar to the tempo thing (whatever it's called) in Luna?
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 8, 2020 6:31:06 GMT -6
Logic smart tempo let’s you set the session to the clip tempo or the or the opposite. So, you could like wiz play naturally vocal and guitar part and set that natural timing as the session tempo map.
Sorry, don’t know what Luna does !
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Post by Ward on Oct 8, 2020 6:48:27 GMT -6
Nicely done, my friend. You are truly a wiz at this! I continue to be a hardware pig, hoarder, slut whatever you wish to call it. Maybe someday . . . maybe some day . . . |
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Post by ragan on Oct 8, 2020 9:03:30 GMT -6
It must be nearly a year..... feels like it anyway. I was using a MOTU16A, Modded Soundcraft Delta, and mucho hardware. I was recording Live drums, miking guitar amps, etc. It had taken me years to build up the hardware collection, and microphone collection. I would have to track to a click, as I play all the instruments. It was quite an involved and time consuming process. I never really liked the end result of tracking to a click, but what you gonna do? (remember one man show). Logic, brought out a feature called SMART TEMPO. This means I can record my acoustic guitar and main vocal in one take, onto seperate tracks (using a U87 in fig 8 vocals, and Rode NTR ribbon, Fig 8, on acoustic). Then I can analyse the acoustic guitar part, and easily and quickly create a tempo map for the song. Then I can play drums in, via my Roland TKD17KV, using Superior Drummer 3 against that tempo map. I can quickly edit, quantise etc the drums, and now I have a drum part locked as tight or loose as I wish, to the acoustic guitar part. This is important... I have a gazillion hours playing and singing and playing acoustic guitar at the same time live. Its how I work best. I then over dub bass guitar. Then other guitars etc. So, this means, I leave my two mics set up all the time... walk in. .... turn on the gear.... open a logic project.... hit record..... do a take(s) till I get the right pass I want.. usually within 1-3 passes. Map out the tempo Play the drums Play the bass then I have gone to LINE 6 HELIX LT for my electric guitar sounds. I record this live into LOGIC, using HX EDIT to edit the sounds. So this is committed. Its super quick, and has the vibe I really like. What has made this possible is the Apollo X8P in a large degree, and without SMART TEMPO in Logic none of this would be possible. APOLLO 8XP I bought it, but honestly could do with the X6. I bought a second hand OCTO satellite to go with it, giving me more than enough DSP Memory for what I do. I kept my two special outboard preamps, a Seimens V72 and a BAE 1073DMP. The DMP is used on vocals and harmonica, the V72 is used on acoustic instruments. I use no external compression. When I record the acoustic and vocal together, I monitor through the APOLLO CONSOLE APP. I have no other effects going other than CAPITOL CHAMBERS reverb on the vocal. I do not commit the reverb. Its comfort verb. I use an external headphone monitor amp, and EXTREME ISOLATION cans. The sound in my cans is nothing short of GLORIUS. It is the best cans mix I have ever sung through and Is completely inspiring. The guitar sound is incredible, Taylor acoustic, and its just so wonderful to perform like that. Magic. Everything is set up as presets in console, vocal and acoustic tracking, bass tracking, where I plug directly into the APOLLO line insert on the front and have the UA610A plug inserted and I commit to that sound at the time of tracking... over dubbing drums and guitars, all is a preset set up with a inspiring sound to play through and monitor. I insert the UA plugs I am mixing with in LOGIC as each instrument gets tracked, so when overdubbing I am essentially recording into a finished mix. Very very nice. I use few plugs... Capitol Chambers for reverb, a little on the vocal and maybe solo guitar just about does it. Each track gets OXIDE tape plug in Neve 1084 and UA610A and B. These three EQs are the only ones I really need.. should I need to notch something, PROQ3 by fabfilter would be the go, though I can recall using it lately. UA LA2 plug in, and LA2 Grey are getting used on a lot of things....I bought the UA176 but not finding the need to use...wish you could sell or transfer UA plugs to someone else... eventually might be some cheap UA thing, load it up with the plugs I don't use and sell/transfer to someone who wants them. Maybe that would work? I use RX7 to de noise the acoustic tracks. Gives that clean seperated sound I love to tracks in a mix. The stereo buss gets the SSL G buss comp and the ATR102 tape plug in. and at end mix time, the PRO L limiter and OZONE 9 get a look in, OZONE used to tighten the bottom end. The "room" sound is my BRICASTI M7M being controlled by the M7 Plug in. The drums are Superior Drummer, with a preset I have made up from the default kit. I bought DECADES but just don't use it.. must sell that on. I am producing nice sounding mixes, I used to do that with all the hardware too, this is faster and my output has exponentially increased. Its wonderful. I am enjoying making music more than I ever have in my life...I think time of life has a lot to do with that...and this set up works great for me, I no longer have clients so a lot of what I used to have is no longer important...wow factor of console and hardware... .real acoustic kit ..... all the mics and preamps that go with that. I sold nearly 25K in gear after going this way..........twenty.....five....thousand....dollars. I made money on all but one of the pieces of hardware I sold. I still have a LA2A here and some transformers etc to off load. I did my last album, Guitar Strings Pen Paper, with this setup. It turned out great, and was the quickest album to make to date. I have been working on Album number 9, and its better than the last, and fast and inspired. I loved my time with hardware, loved working on it, fixing it, using knobs. Would never have become what I am with using it. Its a wonderful training ground. But at nearly 56 years old.. semi retired... this is the way forward for me. The Apollo is the best sounding interface I have ever used. The plugs sound better than I remember, and I don't feel worse off from not having hardware. My 2012 iMac is not using much CPU due to the DSP available. Thought you guys might like an update. Cheers Wiz This is so great, Wiz. Being happy and productive in your workspace are absolutely all that matter in my book. And anything that keeps you crankin’ out great tunes is a benefit to us all. |
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Post by svart on Oct 8, 2020 9:10:39 GMT -6
See, this is what I'm coming around to in the other thread as well. I've been less and less concerned with tiny tonal differences and a lot more enamored with the ability to speedily work through changes and recall in a second. I don't have to roll around the room making changes and re-listening and then make more changes as my ears adjust. I can just click a few times and instantly hear the difference and move on.
Another thing I've been dealing with is noise buildup. External gear, no matter how well made, always adds a little noise, especially if makeup gain is involved. By the time my mixes are coming together with all the processing ITB and OTB, I'm usually approaching -45db noise floor. A similar mix with all ITB, it's more like -60db.
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Post by stratboy on Oct 9, 2020 10:36:25 GMT -6
It must be nearly a year..... feels like it anyway. I was using a MOTU16A, Modded Soundcraft Delta, and mucho hardware. I was recording Live drums, miking guitar amps, etc. It had taken me years to build up the hardware collection, and microphone collection. I would have to track to a click, as I play all the instruments. It was quite an involved and time consuming process. I never really liked the end result of tracking to a click, but what you gonna do? (remember one man show). Logic, brought out a feature called SMART TEMPO. This means I can record my acoustic guitar and main vocal in one take, onto seperate tracks (using a U87 in fig 8 vocals, and Rode NTR ribbon, Fig 8, on acoustic). Then I can analyse the acoustic guitar part, and easily and quickly create a tempo map for the song. Then I can play drums in, via my Roland TKD17KV, using Superior Drummer 3 against that tempo map. I can quickly edit, quantise etc the drums, and now I have a drum part locked as tight or loose as I wish, to the acoustic guitar part. This is important... I have a gazillion hours playing and singing and playing acoustic guitar at the same time live. Its how I work best. I then over dub bass guitar. Then other guitars etc. So, this means, I leave my two mics set up all the time... walk in. .... turn on the gear.... open a logic project.... hit record..... do a take(s) till I get the right pass I want.. usually within 1-3 passes. Map out the tempo Play the drums Play the bass then I have gone to LINE 6 HELIX LT for my electric guitar sounds. I record this live into LOGIC, using HX EDIT to edit the sounds. So this is committed. Its super quick, and has the vibe I really like. What has made this possible is the Apollo X8P in a large degree, and without SMART TEMPO in Logic none of this would be possible. APOLLO 8XP I bought it, but honestly could do with the X6. I bought a second hand OCTO satellite to go with it, giving me more than enough DSP Memory for what I do. I kept my two special outboard preamps, a Seimens V72 and a BAE 1073DMP. The DMP is used on vocals and harmonica, the V72 is used on acoustic instruments. I use no external compression. When I record the acoustic and vocal together, I monitor through the APOLLO CONSOLE APP. I have no other effects going other than CAPITOL CHAMBERS reverb on the vocal. I do not commit the reverb. Its comfort verb. I use an external headphone monitor amp, and EXTREME ISOLATION cans. The sound in my cans is nothing short of GLORIUS. It is the best cans mix I have ever sung through and Is completely inspiring. The guitar sound is incredible, Taylor acoustic, and its just so wonderful to perform like that. Magic. Everything is set up as presets in console, vocal and acoustic tracking, bass tracking, where I plug directly into the APOLLO line insert on the front and have the UA610A plug inserted and I commit to that sound at the time of tracking... over dubbing drums and guitars, all is a preset set up with a inspiring sound to play through and monitor. I insert the UA plugs I am mixing with in LOGIC as each instrument gets tracked, so when overdubbing I am essentially recording into a finished mix. Very very nice. I use few plugs... Capitol Chambers for reverb, a little on the vocal and maybe solo guitar just about does it. Each track gets OXIDE tape plug in Neve 1084 and UA610A and B. These three EQs are the only ones I really need.. should I need to notch something, PROQ3 by fabfilter would be the go, though I can recall using it lately. UA LA2 plug in, and LA2 Grey are getting used on a lot of things....I bought the UA176 but not finding the need to use...wish you could sell or transfer UA plugs to someone else... eventually might be some cheap UA thing, load it up with the plugs I don't use and sell/transfer to someone who wants them. Maybe that would work? I use RX7 to de noise the acoustic tracks. Gives that clean seperated sound I love to tracks in a mix. The stereo buss gets the SSL G buss comp and the ATR102 tape plug in. and at end mix time, the PRO L limiter and OZONE 9 get a look in, OZONE used to tighten the bottom end. The "room" sound is my BRICASTI M7M being controlled by the M7 Plug in. The drums are Superior Drummer, with a preset I have made up from the default kit. I bought DECADES but just don't use it.. must sell that on. I am producing nice sounding mixes, I used to do that with all the hardware too, this is faster and my output has exponentially increased. Its wonderful. I am enjoying making music more than I ever have in my life...I think time of life has a lot to do with that...and this set up works great for me, I no longer have clients so a lot of what I used to have is no longer important...wow factor of console and hardware... .real acoustic kit ..... all the mics and preamps that go with that. I sold nearly 25K in gear after going this way..........twenty.....five....thousand....dollars. I made money on all but one of the pieces of hardware I sold. I still have a LA2A here and some transformers etc to off load. I did my last album, Guitar Strings Pen Paper, with this setup. It turned out great, and was the quickest album to make to date. I have been working on Album number 9, and its better than the last, and fast and inspired. I loved my time with hardware, loved working on it, fixing it, using knobs. Would never have become what I am with using it. Its a wonderful training ground. But at nearly 56 years old.. semi retired... this is the way forward for me. The Apollo is the best sounding interface I have ever used. The plugs sound better than I remember, and I don't feel worse off from not having hardware. My 2012 iMac is not using much CPU due to the DSP available. Thought you guys might like an update. Cheers Wiz My roadmap! Thanks, Wiz! |
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Post by Guitar on Oct 9, 2020 12:17:54 GMT -6
That is the moment we all live for, on these gear discussion boards. When it all just works. Happy to hear this for you.
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Post by kilroyrock on Oct 9, 2020 12:41:46 GMT -6
We are our own worst enemy with our gear - nobody cares as much as we do. When covid hit, and my drum tracks from my latest album had enough edits that it started to become a trial, my drummer just redid them on his midi kit and we dropped them into ezdrummer. The expansion kits really are a step above the past, and plugins overall are too. I still prefer any tracking with the best gear you can afford, but Scheps isn't wrong when he says ITB is good enough to print with most genres. I also do very loud rock, so nuance gets squashed in my world. I'm glad you're able to work fast, keeping the inspiration at the front!
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 9, 2020 18:51:46 GMT -6
That is the moment we all live for, on these gear discussion boards. When it all just works. Happy to hear this for you.
Amen!
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Post by lovermusic on Mar 21, 2021 9:52:55 GMT -6
Good day
May I ask why do you use the 1073 for vocals instead of the v72?
Thanks
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 21, 2021 10:32:01 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing all this detail. Inspiring!
On the Logic Temp thing... I've been curious about that. I, too, recently experienced the freedom of getting a great vox/guitar setup and just... playing. Problem is that it's a ton of work to get drums to fit in after the fact.
I like playing acoustic drums, I wonder how well it would work to play live and free, temp map, then set up a Logic drummer, play along with that, and then remove the Logic drummer and edit the acoustic drums as needed. Sounds like a lot but really it would be just a way to get a "flex-y" click track. Great post!
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 21, 2021 11:11:21 GMT -6
Your session with smart tempo can be set to follow the tempo of your recorded track. Then, you or logic drummer will play also to that tempo.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 21, 2021 12:10:20 GMT -6
Hey wiz, why the Apollo if all you’re doing is using it to have a little reverb on the vocal. You’re not tracking through plugins, right? Or using Luna? |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 21, 2021 14:34:30 GMT -6
Your session with smart tempo can be set to follow the tempo of your recorded track. Then, you or logic drummer will play also to that tempo. So does the tempo flex? Not sure how to phrase the question that I’m asking but hopefully you understand what I mean. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 21, 2021 14:46:00 GMT -6
Yes, but not flex per se.
You record or import your live track in its natural time. You right click on the region, drop down, gives the option of setting session tempo to the region’s tempo, ie its natural time. If you select and open up tempo in the header , you ei see all the natural variation in your actual time.
You could record whole session to that or approximate average and set session tempo to the average and re-record part till you nail it, you’re call.
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Post by wiz on Mar 21, 2021 16:46:56 GMT -6
Good day May I ask why do you use the 1073 for vocals instead of the v72? Thanks Purely just a preference |
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Post by wiz on Mar 21, 2021 16:47:45 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing all this detail. Inspiring! On the Logic Temp thing... I've been curious about that. I, too, recently experienced the freedom of getting a great vox/guitar setup and just... playing. Problem is that it's a ton of work to get drums to fit in after the fact. I like playing acoustic drums, I wonder how well it would work to play live and free, temp map, then set up a Logic drummer, play along with that, and then remove the Logic drummer and edit the acoustic drums as needed. Sounds like a lot but really it would be just a way to get a "flex-y" click track. Great post! Easy to do |
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Post by wiz on Mar 21, 2021 16:48:45 GMT -6
Hey wiz, why the Apollo if all you’re doing is using it to have a little reverb on the vocal. You’re not tracking through plugins, right? Or using Luna? I also use its sharc chips during mixdown |
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Post by wiz on Mar 22, 2021 1:36:32 GMT -6
Sorry about the short one sentence replies.. I was travelling back from a poker tournament, and couldn't really type very well...
Some updates...
I no longer use OXIDE on each channel, just the ATR102 on the two buss atm as far as tape plug ins go.
I am also getting into the 1176AE on things like the acoustic guitar and electric guitar.
I have sold off the HELIX LT only last week, and continuing with just the HELIX NATIVE plug in for guitars...... (same sound, more flexibility).
I think that's the only updates....
Cheers
Wiz
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