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Post by phantom on Sept 25, 2020 19:47:06 GMT -6
The compressor on my VoxBox is ok. If you hear it working, it's probably better to bypass it. I have used the original ELOP as well and it can be hit or miss. That said, this ELOP+ looks interesting and I think I would like it. BTW, I almost bought one a couple of months ago. Isn't the comp in the Voxbox supposed to be the same as what's in the original ELOP? From what I've read about the original ELOP, I think I would probably feel the same way but, with the new ELOP+, I'm curious if it might not actually be pretty cool on mix bus. The VoxBox has attack and release options, while on the ELOP it's fixed. But no setting actually sounds like the ELOP. The ELOP+ seems to be more different based on what I've heard. Modern and open.
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Post by Quint on Sept 26, 2020 12:57:19 GMT -6
Looks like the IGS Tubecore 500 and Tegeler VTC are on the list now too.
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Post by longscale on Sept 26, 2020 13:20:46 GMT -6
I've not tried the ELOP+, but I have an old orig ELOP. I never really warmed up to it. I don't really like it on the 2-bus, and for tracking it never quite got me excited either. It works and if applied gently and can be cool. I wanted more of a color optical if I'm honest (la2a).
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Post by Quint on Sept 26, 2020 15:00:31 GMT -6
I've not tried the ELOP+, but I have an old orig ELOP. I never really warmed up to it. I don't really like it on the 2-bus, and for tracking it never quite got me excited either. It works and if applied gently and can be cool. I wanted more of a color optical if I'm honest (la2a). Yeah, as I keep researching this, I think I've started to sour on the idea of an ELOP+. But I have found out about a bunch of other options out there, so now I just have to pick between those.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Sept 26, 2020 16:54:57 GMT -6
Looks like the IGS Tubecore 500 and Tegeler VTC are on the list now too. I think you could get the Tegeler new on your budget
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Post by Quint on Sept 26, 2020 17:08:28 GMT -6
Looks like the IGS Tubecore 500 and Tegeler VTC are on the list now too. I think you could get the Tegeler new on your budget Yeah, I just need to decide if that's what I want. Have you tried one? I'm trying to decide just how colored the Tegeler is. I'm eventually planning on getting an Audioscape V-Comp so, when I finally do, that will give me an obviously colored varimu style comp for tracking. So I don't necessarily need the Tegeler to be super colored, though I don't want it to be completely clean either. At this point, I'd say it's down to Sebatron SMAC, Buzz SOC, IGS Tubecore 500 x 2, or the Tegeler VTC. The SMAC and SOC are probably on the cleaner side of these four options, while the IGS is probably on the more colored side. I'm not sure about the Tegeler yet. The best of both worlds might be a comp that can be cleaner, when you want it to be, but then still brings a good amount of color when you crank it.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 26, 2020 18:38:43 GMT -6
I think you could get the Tegeler new on your budget Yeah, I just need to decide if that's what I want. Have you tried one? I'm trying to decide just how colored the Tegeler is. I'm eventually planning on getting an Audioscape V-Comp so, when I finally do, that will give me an obviously colored varimu style comp for tracking. So I don't necessarily need the Tegeler to be super colored, though I don't want it to be completely clean either. At this point, I'd say it's down to Sebatron SMAC, Buzz SOC, IGS Tubecore 500 x 2, or the Tegeler VTC. The SMAC and SOC are probably on the cleaner side of these four options, while the IGS is probably on the more colored side. I'm not sure about the Tegeler yet. The best of both worlds might be a comp that can be cleaner, when you want it to be, but then still brings a good amount of color when you crank it. Any specific genre you work with?
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Post by Quint on Sept 26, 2020 21:51:25 GMT -6
Yeah, I just need to decide if that's what I want. Have you tried one? I'm trying to decide just how colored the Tegeler is. I'm eventually planning on getting an Audioscape V-Comp so, when I finally do, that will give me an obviously colored varimu style comp for tracking. So I don't necessarily need the Tegeler to be super colored, though I don't want it to be completely clean either. At this point, I'd say it's down to Sebatron SMAC, Buzz SOC, IGS Tubecore 500 x 2, or the Tegeler VTC. The SMAC and SOC are probably on the cleaner side of these four options, while the IGS is probably on the more colored side. I'm not sure about the Tegeler yet. The best of both worlds might be a comp that can be cleaner, when you want it to be, but then still brings a good amount of color when you crank it. Any specific genre you work with? Though it's overly simplistic to put it all in one box, I would say that, for lack of a better term, indie rock/post punk, some country, some americana, etc. Basically, the opposite end of the spectrum from pop and highly produced stuff. Relatively organic, and not super slick. So, if I get where you're going with this, a little color in gear never hurt no one.
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Post by Quint on Sept 27, 2020 6:17:07 GMT -6
Locomotive 14B sounds like what you are looking for actually. May have to buy 2 tho They make a new PCB version that’s $1999 vs $3199 for the turret board hand wired original. jcoutu1 has these and can tell you all about them. www.locomotiveaudio.com/14bSo I've been giving Locomotive some more thought. The 14b sounds super cool but, as I mentioned before, it's more than I can spend right now. However, I've been looking at the Weight Tank some more. My initial impression of the Weight Tank had been that it might be too heavy handed for mix buss but that was just based on comments I had read. I haven't had a chance to do any exhaustive listening to all of the available clips and videos out there. Thoughts on a pair of Weight Tanks? Are these going to be too colored for general use on a mix bus? Can you just tickle the signal with them and end up with something that's not way too colored? I'm pretty sure that I would like these for tracking, but I'm curious about their use on the mix bus.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 27, 2020 6:42:56 GMT -6
Locomotive 14B sounds like what you are looking for actually. May have to buy 2 tho They make a new PCB version that’s $1999 vs $3199 for the turret board hand wired original. jcoutu1 has these and can tell you all about them. www.locomotiveaudio.com/14bSo I've been giving Locomotive some more thought. The 14b sounds super cool but, as I mentioned before, it's more than I can spend right now. However, I've been looking at the Weight Tank some more. My initial impression of the Weight Tank had been that it might be too heavy handed for mix buss but that was just based on comments I had read. I haven't had a chance to do any exhaustive listening to all of the available clips and videos out there. Thoughts on a pair of Weight Tanks? Are these going to be too colored for general use on a mix bus? Can you just tickle the signal with them and end up with something that's not way too colored? I'm pretty sure that I would like these for tracking, but I'm curious about their use on the mix bus. I track with my pair of weight tanks all the time. Pretty much every one of my lead vocals is tracked through one, but I mix ITB, so haven't used it on the bus.
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Post by Quint on Sept 27, 2020 9:18:02 GMT -6
So I've been giving Locomotive some more thought. The 14b sounds super cool but, as I mentioned before, it's more than I can spend right now. However, I've been looking at the Weight Tank some more. My initial impression of the Weight Tank had been that it might be too heavy handed for mix buss but that was just based on comments I had read. I haven't had a chance to do any exhaustive listening to all of the available clips and videos out there. Thoughts on a pair of Weight Tanks? Are these going to be too colored for general use on a mix bus? Can you just tickle the signal with them and end up with something that's not way too colored? I'm pretty sure that I would like these for tracking, but I'm curious about their use on the mix bus. I track with my pair of weight tanks all the time. Pretty much every one of my lead vocals is tracked through one, but I mix ITB, so haven't used it on the bus. Good to know. I'll check out those tracks.
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Post by stormymondays on Sept 27, 2020 10:20:43 GMT -6
I only have one Weight Tank which is parked on bass for mixing (I track with an 1176). It sounds glorious. I should use if for more sources... I just wanted to point out that there’s no provision for stereo linking, so probably not ideal for the stereo buss. Although I’ve sometimes run independent compressors in stereo and it’s not the end of the world
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Post by Quint on Sept 27, 2020 11:00:34 GMT -6
I only have one Weight Tank which is parked on bass for mixing (I track with an 1176). It sounds glorious. I should use if for more sources... I just wanted to point out that there’s no provision for stereo linking, so probably not ideal for the stereo buss. Although I’ve sometimes run independent compressors in stereo and it’s not the end of the world For tracking, I could see myself using the Weight Tank on bass and vocals. Do you have the original version? The latest revision has stereo link.
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Post by stormymondays on Sept 27, 2020 11:20:50 GMT -6
Ah, true! I have the first version, yes. I really should find some time to use it on more sources, but I can’t imagine NOT using it on bass! I have tried it on vocals and guitars, worked great.
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Post by Quint on Sept 27, 2020 11:52:55 GMT -6
Ah, true! I have the first version, yes. I really should find some time to use it on more sources, but I can’t imagine NOT using it on bass! I have tried it on vocals and guitars, worked great. I've been listening to some sound clips and videos and I'm still interested. In your estimation, how clean can the WT get if you don't drive it too hard? I have no illusion that it is, to be sure, a color box, but I'm just trying to decide if I'd like it enough (clean enough?) to also find use for a pair on the main mix bus. And since it now has a link feature... The WT could possibly be what I'm looking for to be able to track bass and vocals (and possibly other things) with some color and then dial it back for less color on the main mix during mixing, for when I want a Varimu sort of vibe on the main mix.
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Post by stormymondays on Sept 27, 2020 12:11:00 GMT -6
The WT is not a “dirt machine” unless you engage the Drive, which I never do. I’ll be happy to run some tracks for you, PM for the email address.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 27, 2020 16:19:51 GMT -6
There’s a WT on GS.
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Post by Quint on Sept 27, 2020 20:35:00 GMT -6
The WT is not a “dirt machine” unless you engage the Drive, which I never do. I’ll be happy to run some tracks for you, PM for the email address. Honestly, I think I may have likely already made a decision to go ahead and go with a pair of Weight Tanks. If I don't like them, I can always sell them.
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Post by Quint on Sept 27, 2020 20:36:00 GMT -6
Actually, you can get them brand new, direct from Locomotive, for basically the same price.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 28, 2020 1:39:15 GMT -6
The WT is not a “dirt machine” unless you engage the Drive, which I never do. I’ll be happy to run some tracks for you, PM for the email address. Honestly, I think I may have likely already made a decision to go ahead and go with a pair of Weight Tanks. If I don't like them, I can always sell them. I think you'll love them.
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Post by EmRR on Sept 28, 2020 7:45:50 GMT -6
Stereo link is really crude and tricky with many vari-mu. You can set it up for one amount of GR, move it up or down a few dB (or simply have program with big dynamic shifts) and response will be different, with a need to realign L/R gain structure. I find myself going to mono and/or test tones after making changes, otherwise I find the center image has shifted off.
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Post by Quint on Sept 28, 2020 8:15:58 GMT -6
Stereo link is really crude and tricky with many vari-mu. You can set it up for one amount of GR, move it up or down a few dB (or simply have program with big dynamic shifts) and response will be different, with a need to realign L/R gain structure. I find myself going to mono and/or test tones after making changes, otherwise I find the center image has shifted off. To the extent that I've used varimus on a stereo source before, that has more or less been my experience as well, at least some of the time.
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Post by drbill on Sept 28, 2020 10:28:04 GMT -6
I've got a pair of Weight Tanks. Love em. I haven't used em on MIX bus, but I have used them on many stereo sources - unlinked as I have no link - and they tracked very well. Better than my Dual LA2a linked......
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Post by jacobamerritt on Sept 28, 2020 10:28:19 GMT -6
Stereo link is really crude and tricky with many vari-mu. You can set it up for one amount of GR, move it up or down a few dB (or simply have program with big dynamic shifts) and response will be different, with a need to realign L/R gain structure. I find myself going to mono and/or test tones after making changes, otherwise I find the center image has shifted off. To the extent that I've used varimus on a stereo source before, that has more or less been my experience as well. I wonder if Locomotive Audio would be able to build you a couple that could be stereo linked for an upcharge?
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Post by Quint on Sept 28, 2020 12:28:55 GMT -6
I've got a pair of Weight Tanks. Love em. I haven't used em on MIX bus, but I have used them on many stereo sources - unlinked as I have no link - and they tracked very well. Better than my Dual LA2a linked...... I take it that you have the older Rev A version? I was glad to see that the new Rev B version has a link, for times when you might want it. Though there is no link switch that I've seen on the front. I guess it just automatically links once you plug the cable into the back? If anything, the one thing that the WT Rev B doesn't have, that I wish it did have, is a sidechain filter knob like the Locomotive 14B has. Do you ever find yourself wishing you had a sidechain for the WT? Also, since you also have a Manley Varimu, I'm curious how you think they compare? I know they're not the same thing, but I'd be curious to hear about when/where you might use the WT versus the Manley?
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