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Post by Quint on Sept 24, 2020 11:00:09 GMT -6
I don't see much discussion about the Manley ELOP+ here at RGO. This is the newer version that was released with some upgrades a while back. They added the new 3:1 compression setting. Manley seems to discuss this new feature as allowing the ELOP+ to work on the mix bus in ways that the previous version was incapable of doing.
Anybody here have one? How do you like it? I'd like to use it for tracking and on the mix bus.
Is anyone here using one on mix bus? How do you like it there? If I got one for use on mix bus, am I just going to end up wishing I had sprung for a Varimu instead?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 24, 2020 12:58:02 GMT -6
Never used it, but I'm sure it's great...they make great stuff.
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Post by phantom on Sept 24, 2020 14:16:34 GMT -6
The compressor on my VoxBox is ok. If you hear it working, it's probably better to bypass it.
I have used the original ELOP as well and it can be hit or miss.
That said, this ELOP+ looks interesting and I think I would like it. BTW, I almost bought one a couple of months ago.
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Post by Quint on Sept 24, 2020 15:09:25 GMT -6
The compressor on my VoxBox is ok. If you hear it working, it's probably better to bypass it. I have used the original ELOP as well and it can be hit or miss. That said, this ELOP+ looks interesting and I think I would like it. BTW, I almost bought one a couple of months ago. Isn't the comp in the Voxbox supposed to be the same as what's in the original ELOP? From what I've read about the original ELOP, I think I would probably feel the same way but, with the new ELOP+, I'm curious if it might not actually be pretty cool on mix bus. |
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Post by EmRR on Sept 24, 2020 15:40:12 GMT -6
The compressor on my VoxBox is ok. If you hear it working, it's probably better to bypass it. I have used the original ELOP as well and it can be hit or miss. That said, this ELOP+ looks interesting and I think I would like it. BTW, I almost bought one a couple of months ago. Isn't the comp in the Voxbox supposed to be the same as what's in the original ELOP? From what I've read about the original ELOP, I think I would probably feel the same way but, with the new ELOP+, I'm curious if it might not actually be pretty cool on mix bus. I thought the Voxbox was their patented mic level compressor, so that'd be different. |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Sept 24, 2020 15:42:49 GMT -6
I have the CORE channel strip that has the ELOP w the 3:1 ratio in it, as well as the Langevin DVC that has a couple channels of ELOP. I enjoy the results overall, its not a wild 'character' piece, but does the job very well. Definitely workhorse pieces in general. Not to mention Manley has awesome support.
P.S. - I got the Manley Core as NEW open box for $1100. One of those rare deals we all hunt and dream of.
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Post by tkaitkai on Sept 24, 2020 16:02:25 GMT -6
I have the CORE channel strip that has the ELOP w the 3:1 ratio in it, as well as the Langevin DVC that has a couple channels of ELOP. I enjoy the results overall, its not a wild 'character' piece, but does the job very well. Definitely workhorse pieces in general. Not to mention Manley has awesome support. P.S. - I got the Manley Core as NEW open box for $1100. One of those rare deals we all hunt and dream of. Damn, I'm insanely jealous of that price. These have been super high on my list for a while. I'm itching for a nice tube channel strip. It's pretty much between the Manley and a Powerstrip. Or maybe a WT72 + AS V Comp. Haven't used the ELOP, but I've played around with a Vari Mu and it was really nice on vocals. Not as much squeeze as I'd like, but it had a really euphonic tone. I also used to own a Ref C and it was one hell of a mic. Manley gets a huge thumbs up from me. |
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Post by Quint on Sept 24, 2020 16:31:52 GMT -6
I have the CORE channel strip that has the ELOP w the 3:1 ratio in it, as well as the Langevin DVC that has a couple channels of ELOP. I enjoy the results overall, its not a wild 'character' piece, but does the job very well. Definitely workhorse pieces in general. Not to mention Manley has awesome support. P.S. - I got the Manley Core as NEW open box for $1100. One of those rare deals we all hunt and dream of. I'm actually not looking for an opto comp that offers a huge amount of character. I don't want it to be bland and boring. I would like for it to add a little something. I just don't necessarily need or want an opto comp, for this particular use, to be super colored. But then, as I understand it, that kind of sums up Manley gear in general. I have other character pieces, so I'm mostly looking for an opto comp that can do two things: 1. Work as a mix bus compressor to provide a nice little hug to the mix, and maybe a little extra tube sparkle. I'd love to have a Varimu, because I feel like that would give me what I want in spades, but I'm hoping the ELOP+ could get me in that ballpark for less dough. 2. Provide a nice opto tracking comp that is simple to use, doesn't get in the way, and is hard to make sound bad. Again, I don't need it to provide a lot of character, but I also don't want it to be completely clean and boring either. I feel fairly confident that the ELOP+ can do #2. I'm mostly just curious about how well it works as a mix bus comp, or if it will just leave me wishing I had sprung for a Varimu. Obviously the compressor action would be different, but does the tube amp in the ELOP+ have a similar euphonic tone like the Varimu? |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 24, 2020 17:21:06 GMT -6
I would look into a multi/ dual mono + stereo linked compressor if you want it to be used for tracking and 2 bus mixing.
The Aurora Audio GTC2 has an FET + Opto mode and works for tracking 2 sources or mixing for stereo/ mono insert. Class A discrete transformer balanced I/O ( transformers modeled after original Marinairs ) its $3000 sounds amazing! Can do the transparent thing or the in your face -12 db rock vocal compression. You can gain stage into the unit to get a little more flavor.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 24, 2020 17:25:36 GMT -6
Locomotive 14B sounds like what you are looking for actually. May have to buy 2 tho  They make a new PCB version that’s $1999 vs $3199 for the turret board hand wired original. jcoutu1 has these and can tell you all about them. www.locomotiveaudio.com/14b |
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Post by Quint on Sept 24, 2020 17:53:54 GMT -6
I would look into a multi/ dual mono + stereo linked compressor if you want it to be used for tracking and 2 bus mixing. The Aurora Audio GTC2 has an FET + Opto mode and works for tracking 2 sources or mixing for stereo/ mono insert. Class A discrete transformer balanced I/O ( transformers modeled after original Marinairs ) its $3000 sounds amazing! Can do the transparent thing or the in your face -12 db rock vocal compression. You can gain stage into the unit to get a little more flavor. Yep. Dual mono with stereo link capability is what I'm looking for. I bet that Aurora unit is great, but $3000 right now is just more than I can swing, unfortunately. |
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Post by Quint on Sept 24, 2020 18:39:57 GMT -6
Locomotive 14B sounds like what you are looking for actually. May have to buy 2 tho They make a new PCB version that’s $1999 vs $3199 for the turret board hand wired original. jcoutu1 has these and can tell you all about them. www.locomotiveaudio.com/14bThose also seem really cool. But I can't swing $4k right now for a pair. Also, devoting 5u of rack space (1u between for ventilation) is not something I'm in love with for two channels. I'm running out of rack space and I'm determined to keep it to four 16u racks. I can't do a fifth rack. |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Sept 24, 2020 18:43:15 GMT -6
I would look into a multi/ dual mono + stereo linked compressor if you want it to be used for tracking and 2 bus mixing. The Aurora Audio GTC2 has an FET + Opto mode and works for tracking 2 sources or mixing for stereo/ mono insert. Class A discrete transformer balanced I/O ( transformers modeled after original Marinairs ) its $3000 sounds amazing! Can do the transparent thing or the in your face -12 db rock vocal compression. You can gain stage into the unit to get a little more flavor. Elop+ does have a stereo link I believe |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Sept 24, 2020 18:46:34 GMT -6
Yep. Dual mono with stereo link capability is what I'm looking for. I bet that Aurora unit is great, but $3000 right now is just more than I can swing, unfortunately. Id say try the ELOP+ from a dealer with a good return policy. Manley actually has a demo of it in action on the mix buss worth checking out on their site. |
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Post by Quint on Sept 24, 2020 20:25:47 GMT -6
Yep. Dual mono with stereo link capability is what I'm looking for. I bet that Aurora unit is great, but $3000 right now is just more than I can swing, unfortunately. Id say try the ELOP+ from a dealer with a good return policy. Manley actually has a demo of it in action on the mix buss worth checking out on their site. Yeah, on one hand, I'm glad to see that Manley is specifically touting the ELOP+ as something you might want to use on the mix bus. On the other hand, that demo is on music that is so far from anything I have ever been involved in, or care to be involved in, that it's hard for me to make an objective judgement on it. I want to hear what it can do on relatively stripped down, unpolished acoustic music. I may just order one from Sweetwater and return it if it doesn't work for me. They do have 48 month financing on Manley at the moment... |
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Post by the other mark williams on Sept 24, 2020 21:59:13 GMT -6
I have the CORE channel strip that has the ELOP w the 3:1 ratio in it, as well as the Langevin DVC that has a couple channels of ELOP. I enjoy the results overall, its not a wild 'character' piece, but does the job very well. Definitely workhorse pieces in general. Not to mention Manley has awesome support. P.S. - I got the Manley Core as NEW open box for $1100. One of those rare deals we all hunt and dream of. I'm actually not looking for an opto comp that offers a huge amount of character. I don't want it to be bland and boring. I would like for it to add a little something. I just don't necessarily need or want an opto comp, for this particular use, to be super colored. But then, as I understand it, that kind of sums up Manley gear in general. I have other character pieces, so I'm mostly looking for an opto comp that can do two things: 1. Work as a mix bus compressor to provide a nice little hug to the mix, and maybe a little extra tube sparkle. I'd love to have a Varimu, because I feel like that would give me what I want in spades, but I'm hoping the ELOP+ could get me in that ballpark for less dough. 2. Provide a nice opto tracking comp that is simple to use, doesn't get in the way, and is hard to make sound bad. Again, I don't need it to provide a lot of character, but I also don't want it to be completely clean and boring either. I feel fairly confident that the ELOP+ can do #2. I'm mostly just curious about how well it works as a mix bus comp, or if it will just leave me wishing I had sprung for a Varimu. Obviously the compressor action would be different, but does the tube amp in the ELOP+ have a similar euphonic tone like the Varimu? The Vari-Mu just does your #1 goal so well. Sooooooo well. Sooooooooooooooooo well. Hard to imagine an ELOP (+ or otherwise) accomplishing that. |
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Post by Quint on Sept 24, 2020 22:39:36 GMT -6
I'm actually not looking for an opto comp that offers a huge amount of character. I don't want it to be bland and boring. I would like for it to add a little something. I just don't necessarily need or want an opto comp, for this particular use, to be super colored. But then, as I understand it, that kind of sums up Manley gear in general. I have other character pieces, so I'm mostly looking for an opto comp that can do two things: 1. Work as a mix bus compressor to provide a nice little hug to the mix, and maybe a little extra tube sparkle. I'd love to have a Varimu, because I feel like that would give me what I want in spades, but I'm hoping the ELOP+ could get me in that ballpark for less dough. 2. Provide a nice opto tracking comp that is simple to use, doesn't get in the way, and is hard to make sound bad. Again, I don't need it to provide a lot of character, but I also don't want it to be completely clean and boring either. I feel fairly confident that the ELOP+ can do #2. I'm mostly just curious about how well it works as a mix bus comp, or if it will just leave me wishing I had sprung for a Varimu. Obviously the compressor action would be different, but does the tube amp in the ELOP+ have a similar euphonic tone like the Varimu? The Vari-Mu just does your #1 goal so well. Sooooooo well. Sooooooooooooooooo well. Hard to imagine an ELOP (+ or otherwise) accomplishing that. I hear you man. I'd love to have a Varimu. I've always wanted one. I just can't justify spending that kind of money. Maybe one day... |
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Post by the other mark williams on Sept 25, 2020 1:11:20 GMT -6
The Vari-Mu just does your #1 goal so well. Sooooooo well. Sooooooooooooooooo well. Hard to imagine an ELOP (+ or otherwise) accomplishing that. I hear you man. I'd love to have a Varimu. I've always wanted one. I just can't justify spending that kind of money. Maybe one day... Yeah, I'm with you - I can't imagine personally being able to justify that kind of expense, unfortunately. I've used the Vari-Mu a bunch, but I've never owned one. Though it's a totally different thing, I wonder: Might the Audioscape D-Comp have a chance of getting you there? I know it's a completely different topology than a Mu or Opto (and it doesn't have tubes), but it might be worth a look... |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 25, 2020 4:41:27 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Sept 25, 2020 5:40:34 GMT -6
The Vari-Mu just does your #1 goal so well. Sooooooo well. Sooooooooooooooooo well. Hard to imagine an ELOP (+ or otherwise) accomplishing that. I hear you man. I'd love to have a Varimu. I've always wanted one. I just can't justify spending that kind of money. Maybe one day... I had one and sold it. I never found the right application for it. It did everything extremely well, but there was always something that seemed to do it better for my needs. YMMV |
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Post by Quint on Sept 25, 2020 14:33:50 GMT -6
I hear you man. I'd love to have a Varimu. I've always wanted one. I just can't justify spending that kind of money. Maybe one day... Yeah, I'm with you - I can't imagine personally being able to justify that kind of expense, unfortunately. I've used the Vari-Mu a bunch, but I've never owned one. Though it's a totally different thing, I wonder: Might the Audioscape D-Comp have a chance of getting you there? I know it's a completely different topology than a Mu or Opto (and it doesn't have tubes), but it might be worth a look... It's on a list of potential future purposes but not on the top of that list. |
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Post by Quint on Sept 25, 2020 14:39:21 GMT -6
I hear what you're saying, but I can also get a used ELOP for less than the $2,500 new price as well, so it would be more than just a $300 savings. The other issue I have is that, as much as I would love a Varimu for mix bus, I'm not sure if it would ultimately provide me as much utility as I would like during tracking, compared to an opto. So there's that to consider too. Whatever I end up buying, I need it to carry it's weight in both mixing AND tracking. Which is why the Sebatron SMAC, Buzz SOC, and TK T-Komp are also on the list. They seem to work well in both scenarios. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 25, 2020 17:43:45 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Sept 25, 2020 17:47:19 GMT -6
Hmmm. Maybe? I'd need to read up on them more. I don't know anything about them other than that I've heard of the company before. Thanks for the heads up. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 25, 2020 17:54:38 GMT -6
, have heard good things about the company, but not used the products, maybe Mr Holmes ? |
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They make a new PCB version that’s $1999 vs $3199 for the turret board hand wired original. 
