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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2020 13:21:26 GMT -6
Make it stop!
Here’s one kit.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2020 13:21:56 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 9, 2020 13:29:42 GMT -6
Oh oh, just when I thought it was safe to come out of the basement !
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2020 13:32:42 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2020 13:33:09 GMT -6
IDK...Really cool sounds...just don't know how applicable it is to my world.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 9, 2020 13:42:04 GMT -6
Ya great sounds, our pals with Roland kits are in trouble: I’m talking to you Ragan and Wiz et al!
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2020 15:31:42 GMT -6
Ya great sounds, our pals with Roland kits are in trouble: I’m talking to you Ragan and Wiz et al! Why is that?
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 9, 2020 16:15:01 GMT -6
Am joking they will want to buy the xtensions!
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Post by tkaitkai on Sept 9, 2020 16:45:45 GMT -6
UGH, just when I thought I was set on drums for a while. The presets sound friggin' awesome. I have more drum samples than I could ever make use of and somehow I need this too.
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Post by phantom on Sept 9, 2020 19:07:41 GMT -6
I don't usually like these Stadium Rock big drums. But if there are exceptions, they are John Bonham, Charlie Watts and Mitch Mitchell.
And Eddie Kramer. I love the guy.
About the quality of the library, I think toontrack has mastered everything besides the cymbals. I mean, still sound like a robot playing perfectly and clean, but it's a very real representation of that.
But the cymbals just don't blend that well and still sounds more artificial.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2020 19:16:34 GMT -6
I don't usually like these Stadium Rock big drums. But if there are exceptions, they are John Bonham, Charlie Watts and Mitch Mitchell. And Eddie Kramer. I love the guy. About the quality of the library, I think toontrack has mastered everything besides the cymbals. I mean, still sound like a robot playing perfectly and clean, but it's a very real representation of that. But the cymbals just don't blend that well and still sounds more artificial. I don’t think of stadium rock when I hear these - those kicks are resonant as shit - although that one modern preset and the the oyster kit sounded really good. I’m just thinking about my real world productions in 2020. I love love love Mitch Mitchell, Charlie Watts, etc...but it doesn’t sound like most of the stuff people want right now. That being said - maybe I really need to let go of the sounds I think I want and go more natural. Less perfect.
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Post by phantom on Sept 9, 2020 19:35:17 GMT -6
I don't usually like these Stadium Rock big drums. But if there are exceptions, they are John Bonham, Charlie Watts and Mitch Mitchell. And Eddie Kramer. I love the guy. About the quality of the library, I think toontrack has mastered everything besides the cymbals. I mean, still sound like a robot playing perfectly and clean, but it's a very real representation of that. But the cymbals just don't blend that well and still sounds more artificial. I don’t think of stadium rock when I hear these - those kicks are resonant as shit - although that one modern preset and the the oyster kit sounded really good. I’m just thinking about my real world productions in 2020. I love love love Mitch Mitchell, Charlie Watts, etc...but it doesn’t sound like most of the stuff people want right now. That being said - maybe I really need to let go of the sounds I think I want and go more natural. Less perfect. I'm thinking the old stadium rock, like Led, Stones, Who. Not the late 70s, 80s. Maybe that's why I like it. I have my doubts if that sound is not "modern" enough for normal production nowadays. Maybe with less of the room mic?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2020 19:50:23 GMT -6
Yeah - def. Less room. But that's what made those great records...but I'm not making great records lol. Anyway, I'll say this - every SDX I've gotten seems to have gotten better (when they've been made in subsequent years.) Indiependent was really good, then Bob Rock, then Hansa...seems like they keep getting better. But it will ALWAYS come down to the fact that - a real great drummer is worth everything. drumsound - do you ever do midi stuff for people? I'd love to do a session sometime where the drummer has triggers on everything and I can see what one of these sounds like with a pro drummer in a live situation sounds like. I'm always getting really well recorded drums...but I'm also more often than not supplementing them with trigger...I guess SD3 tracker or whatever it's call can basically copy the track...probably need to play with that more. I need to incorporate more sounds with each song. I've gotten too used to using "my kick" and "my snare"...
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Post by svart on Sept 9, 2020 20:25:01 GMT -6
Make it stop! Here’s one kit. That snare sounds way too modern to match the zeppelin era tracks.
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Post by drumsound on Sept 9, 2020 21:24:17 GMT -6
Yeah - def. Less room. But that's what made those great records...but I'm not making great records lol. Anyway, I'll say this - every SDX I've gotten seems to have gotten better (when they've been made in subsequent years.) Indiependent was really good, then Bob Rock, then Hansa...seems like they keep getting better. But it will ALWAYS come down to the fact that - a real great drummer is worth everything. drumsound - do you ever do midi stuff for people? I'd love to do a session sometime where the drummer has triggers on everything and I can see what one of these sounds like with a pro drummer in a live situation sounds like. I'm always getting really well recorded drums...but I'm also more often than not supplementing them with trigger...I guess SD3 tracker or whatever it's call can basically copy the track...probably need to play with that more. I need to incorporate more sounds with each song. I've gotten too used to using "my kick" and "my snare"... I am the biggest MIDI idiot (MIDIot before Chessparov gets here). The ONLY thing I know how to do is connect a MIDI cable to an M Audio keyboard and an old EMU Vintage Kets to get Mellotron sounds. I suppose I should call my guy at SW and figure that out for folks who request.
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Post by drumsound on Sept 9, 2020 21:27:53 GMT -6
Make it stop! Here’s one kit. That snare sounds way too modern to match the zeppelin era tracks. And Bonnham never recorded with the Vistalites, and he never used a chinese cymbal, and he ever used a coated Pinstripe, and the tympani need modulation to sound like they sound in the movie. The gong's close though.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2020 21:40:10 GMT -6
I have to say I wasn’t just blown away with the sounds. But I’m coming from all my own idiosyncrasies...”will I really use that, is that really going to make shit better, etc”. I guess I’m saying all that glitters isn’t gold. That being said, in the right hands, I bet this can be killer. Honestly, just another fantastic tool at our disposal.
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Post by phantom on Sept 10, 2020 5:56:54 GMT -6
That snare sounds way too modern to match the zeppelin era tracks. And Bonnham never recorded with the Vistalites, and he never used a chinese cymbal, and he ever used a coated Pinstripe, and the tympani need modulation to sound like they sound in the movie. The gong's close though. Bonham never recorded for Toontrack also. I'm 99% sure about that.
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Post by ragan on Sept 10, 2020 12:31:23 GMT -6
I don't usually like these Stadium Rock big drums. But if there are exceptions, they are John Bonham, Charlie Watts and Mitch Mitchell. And Eddie Kramer. I love the guy. About the quality of the library, I think toontrack has mastered everything besides the cymbals. I mean, still sound like a robot playing perfectly and clean, but it's a very real representation of that. But the cymbals just don't blend that well and still sounds more artificial. The demos are always just sort of an All Faders Up kind of sound, which I can appreciate, but you can really tailor everything, including the cymbals, to sound like whatever you want it too. As raunchy or refined as you like. The bleed controls for each mic and instrument offer more or less infinite sculpting. Sometimes you want the cymbals to sound a little trashier so you push them into some close room mics and pull them slightly out of the overheads. Or you tilt the velocity curves. Or make sure you've got plenty of cymbal bleed coming into the close mics so you have to fight it just like you do with 'real' drums. Or a million other things. I know what you mean based on the demos, but after using this setup (V Drums and SD3) for a couple of years now, I don't think there's any limit to how human/real or not you want to make it. The raw audio of what you're dealing with just sounds like (because it is) recorded drums. What you sculpt it into is a factor of your own imagination and skill set. In my experience anyway.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 10, 2020 16:05:42 GMT -6
Yeah - def. Less room. But that's what made those great records...but I'm not making great records lol. Anyway, I'll say this - every SDX I've gotten seems to have gotten better (when they've been made in subsequent years.) Indiependent was really good, then Bob Rock, then Hansa...seems like they keep getting better. But it will ALWAYS come down to the fact that - a real great drummer is worth everything. drumsound - do you ever do midi stuff for people? I'd love to do a session sometime where the drummer has triggers on everything and I can see what one of these sounds like with a pro drummer in a live situation sounds like. I'm always getting really well recorded drums...but I'm also more often than not supplementing them with trigger...I guess SD3 tracker or whatever it's call can basically copy the track...probably need to play with that more. I need to incorporate more sounds with each song. I've gotten too used to using "my kick" and "my snare"... Tracker can definitely work as a drum trigger. All the usual caveats apply: you have to watch your various sensitivity settings etc. But, the level of blend control that you then get out of it is... superior. I have a pro drummer pal who is just getting into playing a digital kit. Unfortunately the person who is helping out with the gear/capture can’t or won’t record midi. I do think it might make sense to roll your own but then also offer it up as a collection.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 10, 2020 16:08:43 GMT -6
Kind’ve changing my mind after listening some more.
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Post by ragan on Sept 10, 2020 22:30:44 GMT -6
The "Sparkle" kit sounds a lot more like recorded Bonham than the Vistalite (for obvious reasons). But just toggling back and forth between recordings and these samples, I think the tuning/tones/mic'ing is about there (unsurprising given Kramer engineering it). There's just a lot of creative mixing going on on the records. And not really the large, wide, pristine room mic sound. Gotta pick a few key tracks and smash 'em up with compression/saturation (once the performance is there of course) and I think you could pretty well nail the sounds.
The oyster Watts kit is the one I want most though.
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Post by the other mark williams on Sept 10, 2020 23:18:58 GMT -6
[...] (once the performance is there of course) and I think you could pretty well nail the sounds. [...] One tiny, insignificant detail.
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Post by ragan on May 11, 2021 12:46:57 GMT -6
Waiting on this giant download right now. Been craving these since they came out. Sweetwater has them for $149 instead of Toontrack's $179.
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Post by ragan on May 11, 2021 12:48:08 GMT -6
This walkthrough showcases them better.
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