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Post by klauth on Aug 28, 2020 12:28:28 GMT -6
Was just putting together a 24 I/O Burl Mothership on one of the big Websites, to see what it would cost to get one in my studio. looks like $17,500 shipped. seems a bit stiff for a technology that's upgraded fairly often, with the next big, "thing" . I hear good things about them though. I wonder how well their selling right now?
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 28, 2020 17:57:18 GMT -6
seems a bit stiff for a technology that's upgraded fairly often, with the next big, "thing" Actually, the B80's been pretty stable as far as upgrades go. I've had mine for about five years, so I did have to upgrade my motherboard to handle the newer module options. I switched from MADI to Digi at that time though, so not a huge upgrade cost. That said, it's pretty incredible sounding and lives up to its reputation.
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Post by klauth on Aug 28, 2020 20:46:43 GMT -6
What's the I/O count on your mothership?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 28, 2020 20:53:38 GMT -6
Unless you’re independently wealthy, there’s no reason to spend that much money on that...
Unless Burl donates one to me and wants me to be a shill. I can be bought.
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Post by Ward on Aug 28, 2020 21:18:24 GMT -6
What??? :shocked:
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Post by klauth on Aug 28, 2020 21:45:32 GMT -6
Makes me wonder if the big name mixers and engineers that are bragging about how great they are...are getting them at reduced cost.
I'm seriously considering getting a burl rig.... just looking around first...to see what the reality is.
Its still a pretty big pill to swallow, considering the cableling as well....it will be pushing 20k!
Who else has a mothership....and what did you spend to get it in your rack ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 28, 2020 22:38:12 GMT -6
I mean - I’m sure a whole mothership is awesome. But you’d have to have a some big things going on to return a $20k investment in JUST conversion. If you’re producing big records or it’s a draw to get people to make records at your place, it’s probably a good solution.
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Post by klauth on Aug 28, 2020 22:55:12 GMT -6
From all the research I've been doing, Seems like the people who are using the big burl rigs, are definatley upper league. Which is appropriate. Still...something tells me... their getting a deal.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 28, 2020 23:54:10 GMT -6
Still...something tells me... their getting a deal. Just to straighten the record, I bought mine piece by piece. Took advantage of the 10% off period Burl offers now and then. Financed this here, that there. Bought cards on Reverb. Took years and it's totally worth it. The stuff is handmade and brilliant. From my B80, to the B26, to the B2, nothing but quality and sublime sound. I doubt any "bigtime" person is getting a deal. They have employees and a business to support (Burl). And fires to fight, currently. Edit: and not being a jerk, but understand that $20K is what people spend on conversion sometimes. Many, many other options out there that'll do just fine.
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 29, 2020 1:04:34 GMT -6
For that money I'd be looking harder at a iZcorp ADA II.
But also for less you could out fit a Merging HORUS with some serious fire power. Not sure there is a better box out there for top tier conversion that stays out of the way.
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Post by Ward on Aug 29, 2020 6:06:22 GMT -6
Makes me wonder if the big name mixers and engineers that are bragging about how great they are...are getting them at reduced cost(free, there I fixed your typo). This is only crossing your mind, now? hehehehehehe It's a tale as old as time, a song as old as rhyme For $20Gs it had better come with Studer 800, Studer 820, Otari90 and several other tape transport modes with a type of tape imprint to the sound including but not limited to 456 499 and 996! And it would have degrees of limiting also and a choice of how 'clean' I wanted it.
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Post by notneeson on Aug 29, 2020 8:30:45 GMT -6
No doubt that it’s a cool and great sounding product, I’ve used it a bit at one place.
But I have to wonder why you’d (for instance) buy a Burl and a Flea 47 instead of a real U47 and pretty much any competent converters. That U47 is going to bring in more clients than conversion will and almost certainly appreciate.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 29, 2020 8:38:59 GMT -6
Still...something tells me... their getting a deal. Just to straighten the record, I bought mine piece by piece. Took advantage of the 10% off period Burl offers now and then. Financed this here, that there. Bought cards on Reverb. Took years and it's totally worth it. The stuff is handmade and brilliant. From my B80, to the B26, to the B2, nothing but quality and sublime sound. I doubt any "bigtime" person is getting a deal. They have employees and a business to support (Burl). And fires to fight, currently. Edit: and not being a jerk, but understand that $20K is what people spend on conversion sometimes. Many, many other options out there that'll do just fine. If I had $75-$100k to spend on a studio, I might do that.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 29, 2020 8:39:51 GMT -6
An interesting theme emerging here, if you are considering $20k for how much I/o: which way would you go?
It’s like there are a number of steps here: under $5k, $5K-$10k, $10–15k, $15+
Did you say you are going for 24 I/o?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 29, 2020 8:42:47 GMT -6
Yeah - I look at the Burl stuff as being that $75k loaded GMC Yukon Denali. Awesome. But you can get a loaded 4Runner Limited for $20k less...and buy a jet ski to haul on the back.
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Post by klauth on Aug 29, 2020 9:08:08 GMT -6
An interesting theme emerging here, if you are considering $20k for how much I/o: which way would you go? It’s like there are a number of steps here: under $5k, $5K-$10k, $10–15k, $15+ Did you say you are going for 24 I/o? Yes, 24 to 32 ins and 24 outs. The Burl route seems like a good choice for what I'm doing. I like the modularity of it. and the options.
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Post by klauth on Aug 29, 2020 9:20:05 GMT -6
No doubt that it’s a cool and great sounding product, I’ve used it a bit at one place. But I have to wonder why you’d (for instance) buy a Burl and a Flea 47 instead of a real U47 and pretty much any competent converters. That U47 is going to bring in more clients than conversion will and almost certainly appreciate. Great point. I have all the other bases covered though. it's time for a converter update so, I'm looking at Burl and apogee right now. just trying to measure twice and cut once, as they say. The one thing that bothers me about the Burl is, for that price, you don't get much for metering.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 29, 2020 11:22:30 GMT -6
What's the I/O count on your mothership? I have 8 in, 24 out, and the AES card
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Post by notneeson on Aug 29, 2020 11:46:55 GMT -6
No doubt that it’s a cool and great sounding product, I’ve used it a bit at one place. But I have to wonder why you’d (for instance) buy a Burl and a Flea 47 instead of a real U47 and pretty much any competent converters. That U47 is going to bring in more clients than conversion will and almost certainly appreciate. Great point. I have all the other bases covered though. it's time for a converter update so, I'm looking at Burl and apogee right now. just trying to measure twice and cut once, as they say. The one thing that bothers me about the Burl is, for that price, you don't get much for metering. Maybe Trakworx will pop by, he has a Mothership and does great work. Might be able to offer insight on how he finds the metering.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 29, 2020 14:00:53 GMT -6
and he upgraded in the last year so has perspective on that too !
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Post by nick8801 on Aug 29, 2020 16:09:26 GMT -6
I have a B2. I basically just record myself at this point so it fits the bill just fine. Tracks stack really nicely that I record with the Burl. Maybe a little more real sounding than my Apollo converters and require less processing. I hear less of that smushy thing....but....and it’s a BIG but...if I’m not hitting the converters too hard, I think they are actually pretty darn close. If I had the dough and the space for it, I’d definitely consider a mother ship. It’s fun to play with the super high end stuff, but not a necessity. Good songs, technique and production is still the silver bullet. (No pun intended)
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Post by adamjbrass on Aug 29, 2020 17:25:05 GMT -6
Burl gear is not marked up high. Almost all Pro Audio gear seems to be sold below MAP by nearly every dealer. No one is getting Rich off selling Burl Audio Gear, except maybe Rich.
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Post by klauth on Aug 31, 2020 18:51:56 GMT -6
Another year of this economy and price points will be dropping. Perhaps they will sell direct...and eliminate dealers mark up altogether.
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Post by adamjbrass on Sept 2, 2020 17:05:34 GMT -6
Eliminating dealers probably isn’t going to change the price. I assume this because they were the ones who decided on “the price” to begin with.
Let me give you some advice. The Burl game is a quantity game. Dealers that buy more Burl will probably give you a better price.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 2, 2020 21:12:34 GMT -6
Eliminating dealers probably isn’t going to change the price. I assume this because they were the ones who decided on “the price” to begin with. Let me give you some advice. The Burl game is a quantity game. Dealers that buy more Burl will probably give you a better price. Or just accept that it's like Apple. Buy it used or pay the MAP. They've been suffering enough fighting the fires. Their gear and their pricing is very fair for the effort, tooling, research and brilliance involved.
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