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Aug 25, 2020 13:43:20 GMT -6
Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 25, 2020 13:43:20 GMT -6
Hey hey!
I'm thinking about adding a few more flavors of amps to the stable.
Any thoughts on what I need? I'm considering a Vox AC15/30 head to mate with my Vox cab, a Fender 68 Custom Deluxe, and/or Bad Cat Black Cat/Hot Cat.
I've got:
61 Gibson Skylark GA-5T
66 Bassman Head
68 Kustom K100 w/ 1x15 cab
68 Ampeg B25
82 Mesa D-180
Epiphone Valve Jr.
JCM2000 DSL
Single Rec
1960A 4x12
Recto 4x12
Fender VibroKing 2x12 (closed back, V30's, 4ohm)
60's Vox 4x12
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Aug 25, 2020 14:30:04 GMT -6
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Post by Tbone81 on Aug 25, 2020 14:30:04 GMT -6
A vintage Marshall JMP is hard to beat
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Aug 25, 2020 14:42:19 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 25, 2020 14:42:19 GMT -6
A vintage Marshall JMP is hard to beat Is a JMP different from a JCM800? I've actually been talking trade with a guy for his 800... |
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Post by Tbone81 on Aug 25, 2020 15:10:09 GMT -6
A vintage Marshall JMP is hard to beat Is a JMP different from a JCM800? I've actually been talking trade with a guy for his 800... My understanding is its the same circuit but different construction depending on the year. But either way they'd both be great. And they're pretty easy to mod if you want to turn it into a high gain monster. Another route would be getting into the Randal/Egnator RMS modular stuff...which is pretty amazing too. I have an RM50 head with the Mashall (Marshall Clone) module and its so close to my 78 JMP its scary. They sound as similar as any two JMPS would sound (and I've A/B/C tested that with several amps side-by-side). |
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 25, 2020 15:21:50 GMT -6
Tweed Deluxe! The current 57 Custom reissue is fantastic. The Marshall Origin 20H (get the head, not the combo) is hard to beat for the price if you pair it with the right speaker.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 25, 2020 15:35:33 GMT -6
Tweed Deluxe! The current 57 Custom reissue is fantastic. The Marshall Origin 20H (get the head, not the combo) is hard to beat for the price if you pair it with the right speaker. Yeah, but TWO THOUSAND BUCKS? I'm sure that the RI is nice, but there are plenty of clone and kit manufacturers that do as well for much less money. |
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Aug 25, 2020 15:42:52 GMT -6
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 25, 2020 15:42:52 GMT -6
That’s true. However, for some reason they really got it right with this one, or maybe I got lucky! No farting bass, no crossover distortion, no mods needed at all! Well the 12AY7 was a bit unbalanced/noisy, so I changed it.
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Post by Ned Ward on Aug 25, 2020 15:57:26 GMT -6
I'd go for a 70's Silverface Deluxe Reverb over the new "custom" reissues. Or find a pull boost Princeton Reverb (made until 81 at least). Yes, the pull boost sound is horrible, so people avoid them. Just don't use the pull boost or chuck it and wire in a regular volume pot. Over time, swap the cab to a pine cabinet and upgrade to a Kendrick Black Frame speaker, 10" or 12", depending on your new baffle.
You may also want to pick up a 2x12 bassman cab for the bassman - yes they're glorious cranked, but also great as a good 6L6 clean amp into a smaller 2x12 Fender pine cabinet.
I haven't heard a Bad Cat in a while, but would think that it would be similar EL84 tones to the Vox - I'd get a AC15 combo vs. a head so that you can run it as a combo or into the 4x12. Different tonal options.
Of course, this is what I'd get, but if you're servicing customers, what are they most likely going to want to play?
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Aug 25, 2020 15:58:44 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 25, 2020 15:58:44 GMT -6
Is a JMP different from a JCM800? I've actually been talking trade with a guy for his 800... My understanding is its the same circuit but different construction depending on the year. But either way they'd both be great. And they're pretty easy to mod if you want to turn it into a high gain monster.  Another route would be getting into the Randal/Egnator RMS modular stuff...which is pretty amazing too. I have an RM50 head with the Mashall (Marshall Clone) module and its so close to my 78 JMP its scary. They sound as similar as any two JMPS would sound (and I've A/B/C tested that with several amps side-by-side).  Which rm50 modules do you have? How much do they go for? |
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Aug 25, 2020 16:00:09 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 25, 2020 16:00:09 GMT -6
I'd go for a 70's Silverface Deluxe Reverb over the new "custom" reissues. Or find a pull boost Princeton Reverb (made until 81 at least). Yes, the pull boost sound is horrible, so people avoid them. Just don't use the pull boost or chuck it and wire in a regular volume pot. Over time, swap the cab to a pine cabinet and upgrade to a Kendrick Black Frame speaker, 10" or 12", depending on your new baffle. You may also want to pick up a 2x12 bassman cab for the bassman - yes they're glorious cranked, but also great as a good 6L6 clean amp into a smaller 2x12 Fender pine cabinet. I haven't heard a Bad Cat in a while, but would think that it would be similar EL84 tones to the Vox - I'd get a AC15 combo vs. a head so that you can run it as a combo or into the 4x12. Different tonal options. Of course, this is what I'd get, but if you're servicing customers, what are they most likely going to want to play? Honestly, the JCM2000 gets used 90% of the time. It just works. |
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Aug 25, 2020 16:18:54 GMT -6
Post by Tbone81 on Aug 25, 2020 16:18:54 GMT -6
My understanding is its the same circuit but different construction depending on the year. But either way they'd both be great. And they're pretty easy to mod if you want to turn it into a high gain monster. Another route would be getting into the Randal/Egnator RMS modular stuff...which is pretty amazing too. I have an RM50 head with the Mashall (Marshall Clone) module and its so close to my 78 JMP its scary. They sound as similar as any two JMPS would sound (and I've A/B/C tested that with several amps side-by-side). Which rm50 modules do you have? How much do they go for? The stock older Randall Modules usually cost around $175 - $200. I've owned the Randall Bogner clone (it slayed my Mesa Recto), the Randall JTM clone (pretty damn good for that dirty/clean tone), and currently own the Salvation Mods Mashall which is like the JMP/JCM with a switchable high gain mod. It's the balls. I've used a few other modules as well. The modded ones from Salvation Mods and Jadded Faith are mostly pretty killer. I haven't followed up with the Synergy stuff since Egnator took over the format. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 25, 2020 16:44:27 GMT -6
a 70s Vox AC30 or an early 90s AC30 hand-wired reissue is hard to beat. Need to mod it or front end it with a treble booster for full on Queen style tones, but it can get HEAVY too or chimy.
A 76-78 JMP is also GOLD. The new Hot-Mod2 in the JMP is MAGIC
These are probably my two favorite amps.
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Aug 25, 2020 17:03:11 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 25, 2020 17:03:11 GMT -6
a 70s Vox AC30 or an early 90s AC30 hand-wired reissue is hard to beat. Need to mod it or front end it with a treble booster for full on Queen style tones, but it can get HEAVY too or chimy. A 76-78 JMP is also GOLD. The new Hot-Mod2 in the JMP is MAGIC These are probably my two favorite amps. Out of my league budget wise. |
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Aug 25, 2020 17:22:10 GMT -6
Post by Ward on Aug 25, 2020 17:22:10 GMT -6
a 70s Vox AC30 or an early 90s AC30 hand-wired reissue is hard to beat. Need to mod it or front end it with a treble booster for full on Queen style tones, but it can get HEAVY too or chimy. A 76-78 JMP is also GOLD. The new Hot-Mod2 in the JMP is MAGIC These are probably my two favorite amps. Out of my league budget wise. Sorry to hear that, bud |
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Aug 25, 2020 17:42:50 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 25, 2020 17:42:50 GMT -6
Out of my league budget wise. Sorry to hear that, bud Someday, I dream to have 1/10th of the collection of the great Ward! Maybe if you stop buying ALL of the amps and guitars in this world, there will be enough to go around. 😂😂 |
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Aug 25, 2020 21:08:12 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Aug 25, 2020 21:08:12 GMT -6
Someday, I dream to have 1/10th of the collection of the great Ward! Maybe if you stop buying ALL of the amps and guitars in this world, there will be enough to go around. 😂😂 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH . . . . hey, it's only 72 guitars and 42 amps. I really do need to thin the herd. |
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Aug 26, 2020 4:08:00 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 26, 2020 4:08:00 GMT -6
Someday, I dream to have 1/10th of the collection of the great Ward! Maybe if you stop buying ALL of the amps and guitars in this world, there will be enough to go around. 😂😂 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH . . . . hey, it's only 72 guitars and 42 amps. I really do need to thin the herd. Keep them all. Just store a handful of each at my place. |
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Aug 26, 2020 8:10:38 GMT -6
Post by svart on Aug 26, 2020 8:10:38 GMT -6
Axe FX 3. Then you can have any amp you want.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 26, 2020 8:55:14 GMT -6
Axe FX 3. Then you can have any amp you want. That's the last thing I want. Way more complicated than what I'm into. |
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Post by Quint on Aug 26, 2020 15:37:34 GMT -6
I briefly dabbled in the amp sim plugin thing for a year or so. It's okay in a pinch, but there is just too much fussing around with settings on those things. I feel the same way about Kempers, Axe, etc.
I have the Iridium now and it's the only amp sim I care to use now. I'm hoping they come out with a bass model. Things like the Torpedo C.A.B. are also useful for running out of an amp's FX loop or from a dedicated preamp.
Real amps are obviously the best, but sometimes you need things to be more quiet or dead silent, and I get that's just a necessary part of modern recording. But it's the deep menu diving that is just not for me. It kills creativity. I either want real amps or sims that recreate the simple knob turning experience.
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Aug 26, 2020 15:40:56 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Aug 26, 2020 15:40:56 GMT -6
What are the best Fender Reissues to get these days? I'm in the market for a Fender amp myself.
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Aug 26, 2020 19:54:42 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 26, 2020 19:54:42 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Aug 26, 2020 22:03:55 GMT -6
I haven't tried them all so I'm no expert but I settled on the 68 Deluxe Reverb reissue for my Fender sounds. I like it. I've used it mic'd, with an extension cab in an ISO box and also with the Suhr Reactive Load. I've been able to get satisfactory results with all of those setups. I find this amp sits in more or less the center of the Fender sonics I go for so it's been a good choice for me.
Jesse, I also have an AC15 that I like. It's nothing fancy, just the cheap one. I put some NOS tubes from Bowie in there (as well as the 68 DRRI) and they make a subtle but nice improvement (I blind AB'd various DI tracks before/after NOS tubes).
I have a few other amps but I use the AC15 or Deluxe Reverb 95% of the time. Some vintage amps sound better but I can't really afford them and if you have talent as a player and engineer you can get good sounds out of these. I more or less sound like me on any decent amp (for better or worse).
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Aug 26, 2020 22:55:29 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 26, 2020 22:55:29 GMT -6
I haven't tried them all so I'm no expert but I settled on the 68 Deluxe Reverb reissue for my Fender sounds. I like it. I've used it mic'd, with an extension cab in an ISO box and also with the Suhr Reactive Load. I've been able to get satisfactory results with all of those setups. I find this amp sits in more or less the center of the Fender sonics I go for so it's been a good choice for me. Jesse, I also have an AC15 that I like. It's nothing fancy, just the cheap one. I put some NOS tubes from Bowie in there (as well as the 68 DRRI) and they make a subtle but nice improvement (I blind AB'd various DI tracks before/after NOS tubes). I have a few other amps but I use the AC15 or Deluxe Reverb 95% of the time. Some vintage amps sound better but I can't really afford them and if you have talent as a player and engineer you can get good sounds out of these. I more or less sound like me on any decent amp (for better or worse). Your deluxe is the 68 custom, not the 65 right? Have you used both? |
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Aug 27, 2020 6:30:26 GMT -6
Post by Ward on Aug 27, 2020 6:30:26 GMT -6
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Aug 27, 2020 6:49:41 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 27, 2020 6:49:41 GMT -6
Would this really be better than my jcm2000 dsl? |
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Aug 27, 2020 6:52:36 GMT -6
Post by Ward on Aug 27, 2020 6:52:36 GMT -6
Would this really be better than my jcm2000 dsl? It sounds better. The DSL amps are great for live stuff, but recording wise, you want a single great tone and track each part separately, not be switching anyhow. We're no longer limited to 23 tracks.  I'm looking around and asking friends/family from the south shore to Lawn Guy Land about a Vox or decent blackface Fender for you as well. Budget is $1K? |
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Aug 27, 2020 8:13:59 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Aug 27, 2020 8:13:59 GMT -6
I haven't tried them all so I'm no expert but I settled on the 68 Deluxe Reverb reissue for my Fender sounds. I like it. I've used it mic'd, with an extension cab in an ISO box and also with the Suhr Reactive Load. I've been able to get satisfactory results with all of those setups. I find this amp sits in more or less the center of the Fender sonics I go for so it's been a good choice for me. Jesse, I also have an AC15 that I like. It's nothing fancy, just the cheap one. I put some NOS tubes from Bowie in there (as well as the 68 DRRI) and they make a subtle but nice improvement (I blind AB'd various DI tracks before/after NOS tubes). I have a few other amps but I use the AC15 or Deluxe Reverb 95% of the time. Some vintage amps sound better but I can't really afford them and if you have talent as a player and engineer you can get good sounds out of these. I more or less sound like me on any decent amp (for better or worse). The DRRI is on my list for sure, though I haven't read enough/heard enough to know whether I would prefer the 68 or 65. I love those little Champs,new and old, but, as a pedal platform, they don't work so great unless you intend to stay at a really low volume. Conversely, I think the Twins are too much amp for what I'm looking for. So, as far as Reissues go, that left me looking at the Princeton, Deluxe Reverb, Vibrolux Reverb, and Super Reverb, of which the Deluxe Reverb is the one I had been leaning towards because of the feature set and wattage. That being said, for the Deluxe Reverb RI, there is the 65, 64 Custom, and 68 Custom. The 64 Custom RI is probably too expensive since you might as well go vintage at that point, which leaves the 65 and 68. I'd need to play both to make a decision. What's the reason you chose the Deluxe Reverb 68 over the 65? |
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Aug 27, 2020 8:23:00 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 27, 2020 8:23:00 GMT -6
Def under a G if cash. Really looking to trade my Becker custom guitar ($1200) though... imgur.com/a/3lN4A |
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Post by ragan on Aug 27, 2020 10:41:01 GMT -6
Quint jcoutu1 Yeah mine's the 68 Custom Deluxe Reverb. I played both in shops but was always leaning towards the 68. I found this video really helpful. All guitars in the mix toggle together between the 65 and 68.
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