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Post by Ward on Jul 22, 2020 6:26:36 GMT -6
Worth posting in this thread. No surprise, the Amperex really made my ears pop. the Valvo sounded very much like 'console processing' - very familiar. And of course the Telefunken is the correct tube. I still stand by the EF806s and S as being better than ALL of those comers. JMHO YMMV TETO
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Post by Ward on Jul 22, 2020 6:34:31 GMT -6
P.S. ever notice how a cursory glance at JMHO YMMV TETO looks like 'Jimmy Yummy Tetons'?
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Post by m03 on Jul 22, 2020 8:57:21 GMT -6
In the case of the U67RI, I've seen a couple of people at GS talk about trying different tubes and coming back to the one provided my Neumann as being the best Here's what we know . . . 1. There are a lot of people on GS 2. There are almost as many 'experts' 3. People with opinions on things they're never used 4. People who have no idea what they're talking about and then there's . . . 5. The scattered soul who ventures into the abyss and speaks to something he has direct experience with and knows what he's talking about, and tries to be helpful to others but then gets flamed by a few of the 1-2-3-4 types and says "That's it, I'm outta here for 6 months to 2 yers" (just to put a lot of GS replies into perspective)FWIW, the first half of the sentence wasn't meant to stand on its own without the context of the second half, which points out that the majority on GS seems to favor the same tubes that you favored...
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Post by Ward on Jul 22, 2020 9:01:16 GMT -6
Here's what we know . . . 1. There are a lot of people on GS 2. There are almost as many 'experts' 3. People with opinions on things they're never used 4. People who have no idea what they're talking about and then there's . . . 5. The scattered soul who ventures into the abyss and speaks to something he has direct experience with and knows what he's talking about, and tries to be helpful to others but then gets flamed by a few of the 1-2-3-4 types and says "That's it, I'm outta here for 6 months to 2 yers" (just to put a lot of GS replies into perspective)FWIW, the first half of the sentence wasn't meant to stand on its own without the context of the second half, which points out that the majority on GS seems to favor the same tubes that you favored... Yeah, sorry about that . . . I get shellshocked after being on that forum for more than an hour a week.
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Post by thirdeye on Jul 22, 2020 9:25:02 GMT -6
Unfortunately I'm not a big tube connoisseur. The tube in our 67 is what's been in there the whole time we've had it, a GE 6267. After reading this thread, perhaps I'll try a different one to see if I like it more. Your is Japanese production. None of the US companies made an EF86 so they (RCA, Tung Sol, Sylvania, GE) out-sourced them. You'll often see the country of origin listed incorrectly (in this case, I'm guessing is says "Gt Britain"). If you like this type and want to find more you'll sometimes see this same tube branded for NEC (a major Japanese electronics company). Though they might not be the most sought-after EF86s, I consider these to be better than most other EF86s of 70's and 80's. Very interesting, thanks for the info!! I've always been happy with the sound of our U67, I'd never thought about changing the tube.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 22, 2020 9:25:09 GMT -6
I've got a NOS Telefunken in my Stam SA67. It sounds so good I don't even want to open it up to examine it closer in case I mess something up. I know that's ridiculous, and I've opened enough mics not to be worried, but I'm being superstitious in this one case.
After decades of using different tubes in guitar amps, I'm well aware of the value of a good tube. You have to keep an open mind though. I bought around 6 or 7 vintage tubes for a THD amp that allowed for tube changes without having to bias. I've tried them all on two Matchless amps, a Blackspade amp, and the THD. The stock JJ's smoked them all, including expensive Mullards.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 22, 2020 14:07:59 GMT -6
Here's what we know . . . 1. There are a lot of people on GS 2. There are almost as many 'experts' 3. People with opinions on things they're never used 4. People who have no idea what they're talking about and then there's . . . 5. The scattered soul who ventures into the abyss and speaks to something he has direct experience with and knows what he's talking about, and tries to be helpful to others but then gets flamed by a few of the 1-2-3-4 types and says "That's it, I'm outta here for 6 months to 2 yers" (just to put a lot of GS replies into perspective)FWIW, the first half of the sentence wasn't meant to stand on its own without the context of the second half, which points out that the majority on GS seems to favor the same tubes that you favored... Who cares what the lumpenproletariat at GS has to say? I take most of what others say there with about as much interest as I do the typical print advertisement, which appears to be where most of those "opinions" come frtom....
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Post by chessparov on Jul 22, 2020 15:40:45 GMT -6
Hey John, the Lumpas that work at Willy Wonka's factory, resemble your remark. They do like the term "asvertisement" very much however. Chris
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 22, 2020 16:49:38 GMT -6
The Holland made Amperex blew my mind. It's subtle of course, but to me it went from being a clearly first class high end mic to being magical. The overtones and balance and vibe was special. The German EF86 was my second choice. I love the way my SA67 sounds with the vintage Telefunken, but If I could ever get one of those Amperex EF86's in top condition, I'd have to try it.
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Post by Ward on Jul 22, 2020 19:14:21 GMT -6
The Holland made Amperex blew my mind. It's subtle of course, but to me it went from being a clearly first class high end mic to being magical. The overtones and balance and vibe was special. The German EF86 was my second choice. I love the way my SA67 sounds with the vintage Telefunken, but If I could ever get one of those Amperex EF86's in top condition, I'd have to try it. I'm already on it ***UPDATE*** Have two on order.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 23, 2020 4:10:02 GMT -6
The Holland made Amperex blew my mind. It's subtle of course, but to me it went from being a clearly first class high end mic to being magical. The overtones and balance and vibe was special. The German EF86 was my second choice. I love the way my SA67 sounds with the vintage Telefunken, but If I could ever get one of those Amperex EF86's in top condition, I'd have to try it. Yup. http://instagram.com/p/B7rKW-JhC0s
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Post by timcampbell on Jul 23, 2020 4:19:37 GMT -6
I'll just add what most people here know - tubes are very individualistic. They can't be judged soley by brand. There are some traits that follow manufactureres but in general tubes vary as much between the same brand as they do between brands because we are literally sorting through the leftovers. I have more than a dozen GE 5 star 6072's on hand that don't sound exactly the same. That said, I prefer all of them over any RCA's I have.
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Post by stormymondays on Jul 23, 2020 8:46:39 GMT -6
I've ordered a mesh plate Amperex E86. Let's hear what the fuss is all about!
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Post by aremos on Jul 23, 2020 10:21:51 GMT -6
Can someone verify if these look like the Amperex mentioned? Attachments:
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Post by teejay on Jul 23, 2020 11:36:19 GMT -6
Can someone verify if these look like the Amperex mentioned? Is bowie in the house?
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Post by chessparov on Jul 23, 2020 11:56:14 GMT -6
Don't worry guys, I'll just call Guitar Center! Chris
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Post by bowie on Jul 23, 2020 18:00:41 GMT -6
Can someone verify if these look like the Amperex mentioned? Is bowie in the house? I haven't been following the conversation closely so I'm not sure exactly which tube is being referenced but, if it's a tube I've sold in the last 6 months or so, it would not be the same as the Rogers-branded Amperex in the photo above. Those in the photo are also known as orange-label or "Globe-logo" Amperex and that production sounds a little different than the Amperex style that preceded them. Not that they're bad at all, I just know I haven't sold that version in a while. Funny enough, I've been recommending the earlier production Amperex EF86 for years but no one would buy them until Klaus said they sounded good, now I cannot keep enough in stock...
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Post by teejay on Jul 23, 2020 18:38:24 GMT -6
I haven't been following the conversation closely so I'm not sure exactly which tube is being referenced but, if it's a tube I've sold in the last 6 months or so, it would not be the same as the Rogers-branded Amperex in the photo above. Those in the photo are also known as orange-label or "Globe-logo" Amperex and that production sounds a little different than the Amperex style that preceded them. Not that they're bad at all, I just know I haven't sold that version in a while. Funny enough, I've been recommending the earlier production Amperex EF86 for years but no one would buy them until Klaus said they sounded good, now I cannot keep enough in stock... The Master has spoken. Thank you, Christian!
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Post by timcampbell on Jul 24, 2020 6:11:53 GMT -6
oops
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Post by thirdeye on Jul 24, 2020 22:56:32 GMT -6
Unfortunately I'm not a big tube connoisseur. The tube in our 67 is what's been in there the whole time we've had it, a GE 6267. After reading this thread, perhaps I'll try a different one to see if I like it more. Your is Japanese production. None of the US companies made an EF86 so they (RCA, Tung Sol, Sylvania, GE) out-sourced them. You'll often see the country of origin listed incorrectly (in this case, I'm guessing is says "Gt Britain"). If you like this type and want to find more you'll sometimes see this same tube branded for NEC (a major Japanese electronics company). Though they might not be the most sought-after EF86s, I consider these to be better than most other EF86s of 70's and 80's. Correct!
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 1, 2020 13:49:30 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Aug 1, 2020 19:03:48 GMT -6
Fantastic!! Can't wait for my two to get here either and see if one or both present additional tonal options for my U67 - I'll sell the other one to Martin John Butler LOL
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Post by craigmorris74 on Aug 1, 2020 19:31:02 GMT -6
I actually had a Telefunken EF86 in a drawer that I had forgotten about. I compared it to the PF86 that came in the MK67 kit, and I liked the EF86 much better.
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Post by mike on Aug 1, 2020 20:14:15 GMT -6
The thread being about tube selection, the answer being that every tube and capsule result may be different. It would be true of other manufacturers mics if there were a similar comparison to be had, but there isn't. If you have a thinner sounding capsule, that muddy ass Mullard may be a winner. If you have a fat sounding capsule, that Mullard is probably the worst loser.
I like Telefunken's, but agree with EmRR on this and think it's a mic by mic, case by case basis where a Telefunken may work best in one mic while the Amperex or another is better in the next.
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Post by professorplum on Feb 21, 2022 21:56:05 GMT -6
Here it is! It's going to be a while until I'll be able to test it though. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Fantastic!! Can't wait for my two to get here either and see if one or both present additional tonal options for my U67 - I'll sell the other one to Martin John Butler LOL I read the whole thread and not hearing both your guys' thoughts after getting the tubes is a serious cliffhanger! What did you think? Worth the cost?
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