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Post by Ward on Jul 18, 2020 7:51:12 GMT -6
If you replace the Field Effect Transisters with Operational Amplifiers, in effect, are you not turning it into a pseudo Voltage Controlled Amplifier as you are no longer using FETs? Most of the transistors in the 1176 are BJT type transistors, bipolar junction transistors. There is one FET in the "compression element," and a second FET for the visual meter. There are a lot of audio amplifiers built out of discrete components, and the BJTs. You can replace a lot of those "blocks" with op amp circuits which simplifies the layout a great deal. here's a schematic to look at from Gyraf. View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentWhich are PNPs and NPNs? I could go searching but you could probably answer faster.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 18, 2020 8:09:01 GMT -6
Most of the transistors in the 1176 are BJT type transistors, bipolar junction transistors. There is one FET in the "compression element," and a second FET for the visual meter. There are a lot of audio amplifiers built out of discrete components, and the BJTs. You can replace a lot of those "blocks" with op amp circuits which simplifies the layout a great deal. here's a schematic to look at from Gyraf. Which are PNPs and NPNs? I could go searching but you could probably answer faster. The arrow on the emitter pointing "in" is the PNP and the one pointing "out" of the emitter is the NPN
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Post by EmRR on Jul 18, 2020 8:58:33 GMT -6
If you replace the Field Effect Transisters with Operational Amplifiers, in effect, are you not turning it into a pseudo Voltage Controlled Amplifier as you are no longer using FETs? He mentions the FET specifically in another thread. The linked thread has him covering tracks after he found himself in hot water.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jul 18, 2020 9:28:12 GMT -6
Unless you love the Aphex Exciter or BBE, don’t get hung up on even/ odd harmonic distortion. Because that’s all those boxes are I can never remember which is which. You have to understand any deveation from the original waveform is distortion. Some of it is very very subtle, you can hear it but you can’t measure it. And if you compare on a digital scope depending on the resolution you will completely miss it. To be quite blunt about it, I have tested even and odd distortion modes in some guitar overdrives, and I like them both. Same with the Andrew Scheps Omni Channel plugin. I almost have no preference for one, the other, or a mix of the two. So it's a very good point you make. All amplifiers produce both. When people talk about it they talk about the more dominant products. Some people are more sensitive to different types too. And some is just personal preference.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jul 18, 2020 9:33:37 GMT -6
If you replace the Field Effect Transisters with Operational Amplifiers, in effect, are you not turning it into a pseudo Voltage Controlled Amplifier as you are no longer using FETs? In FET compressors the FET is being used as a shunt. Different voltage applied to the gate changes the resistance between the source and gate. So it creates a voltage divider in an 1176 or a pot to set gain on the op amp in an API 525. I think in the Distressor people are saying he took the 1176 and left the FET element but replaced the discrete gain blocks with IC op amps. There’s a Trident design that is basically that. No transformers either.
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Post by Ward on Jul 19, 2020 6:35:55 GMT -6
If you replace the Field Effect Transisters with Operational Amplifiers, in effect, are you not turning it into a pseudo Voltage Controlled Amplifier as you are no longer using FETs? In FET compressors the FET is being used as a shunt. Different voltage applied to the gate changes the resistance between the source and gate. So it creates a voltage divider in an 1176 or a pot to set gain on the op amp in an API 525. I think in the Distressor people are saying he took the 1176 and left the FET element but replaced the discrete gain blocks with IC op amps. There’s a Trident design that is basically that. No transformers either. Most informative post in the thread. I have to admit, I haven't dug much into design in a long time . . . just know what they sound like and how to use what. And I'm still learning, like every other kid in his early 50s. Thank you.
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Post by RealNoob on Jul 23, 2020 19:24:51 GMT -6
I love this song and mix by MB.
Casey played keys and B3 on a live worship album I wrote/recorded/produced in 1997. He was ALWAYS super talented.
ALTHOUGH, I would have definitely turned up the drums!
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 24, 2020 6:35:32 GMT -6
I love this song and mix by MB. Casey played keys and B3 on a live worship album I wrote/recorded/produced in 1997. He was ALWAYS super talented. ALTHOUGH, I would have definitely turned up the drums!
WOW my brain goes crazy listening to arragements which are full of overinformation when the CHR kicks in. Special when HF information is more in the sides... I cant focus where to listen to....
But for the rest great song great singing....mix sounds super good...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 24, 2020 7:35:51 GMT -6
Whoa.
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Post by topshelfmg on Jul 24, 2020 14:39:14 GMT -6
Looks like someone bought his Pye for $20k too. I was actually surprised to see a lot of the stuff not going for retail and above. For instance his Chandler 176 went for about $700-$800 off I believe, which is pretty solid even if it was a random guy on Reverb selling it haha.
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Post by geoff738 on Jul 24, 2020 14:56:20 GMT -6
Lots of stuff still available. I forgot to look until now. Not that I’m in the market.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 25, 2020 9:07:47 GMT -6
I love the drum mix. It manages to be full and powerful yet doesn't override the vocal. I think it's brilliant. Do any of you guys know what the signal chain for the drums might have been here?
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Post by RealNoob on Jul 25, 2020 10:33:50 GMT -6
Lots of stuff still available. I forgot to look until now. Not that I’m in the market. Cheers, Geoff Where is it listed? Sorry if Imissed a previous post
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Post by geoff738 on Jul 25, 2020 12:44:31 GMT -6
I hit the compressors link and a bunch of his stuff was still there. Not sure if there is still a Brauer link.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 25, 2020 13:24:04 GMT -6
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jul 25, 2020 19:51:21 GMT -6
Those prices are nuts.
You can get a brand new pair of Distressors for just under 3k
Why would you pay $700 more than that for a used pair?
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Post by donr on Jul 25, 2020 20:37:16 GMT -6
Those prices are nuts. You can get a brand new pair of Distressors for just under 3k Why would you pay $700 more than that for a used pair? After Mix columnist Stephen St. Croix passed away in 2006, his gear was auctioned off. He owned a THD Univalve guitar amp, and I thought it'd be nice to have something of his, since I was a fan of his writing. I bid about 40% over the cost of a new one, but I was outbid on it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 25, 2020 20:42:23 GMT -6
Don, I had the THD 30 W. amp. It was cool, but ultimately the tone was too nasal so I sold it. The Matchless cabinet I used with a 12" Celestion was the best sounding cabinet I've ever heard short of the original 60"s Marshall 4 12's.
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Post by RealNoob on Jul 25, 2020 21:25:18 GMT -6
Thanks. Would be cool to own something of his just because. Looks like the talk of him going ITB is not wrong. Interesting
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Post by RealNoob on Jul 25, 2020 21:27:36 GMT -6
Those prices are nuts. You can get a brand new pair of Distressors for just under 3k Why would you pay $700 more than that for a used pair? Are they modded?
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Post by ericn on Jul 26, 2020 16:50:07 GMT -6
Those prices are nuts. You can get a brand new pair of Distressors for just under 3k Why would you pay $700 more than that for a used pair? This where the entire gear / memorabilia thing gets weird, I remember the original Cheap Trick Hill board that they couldn’t get anybody to take for $200, yet Rick was in American Pickers talking insane $$ for their first PA ! Over the years I have owned gear that came out of Smart, Music Head / Sound Summit, toured with Clair, Showco & dB, never paid even paid market value. So go figure!
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Post by Ward on Jul 26, 2020 18:44:28 GMT -6
I love this song and mix by MB. Casey played keys and B3 on a live worship album I wrote/recorded/produced in 1997. He was ALWAYS super talented. ALTHOUGH, I would have definitely turned up the drums! i can't say I like everything about it, but some parts of it are mind blowing. The subtle panning stuff was a lot of HOLY CRAP!! And it had a lot of mid-late 90s stuff in it that I really loved too.
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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 26, 2020 20:11:58 GMT -6
I bought this inward connections tube tlm1 comp and tlm2 eq from him when he was at electric lady . It was so cheap I almost didn’t check on it , thought it was a scam lol. Talked to him on Friday and he held till Monday with no deposit till I could get to the bank. My little pieces of history ! And it kills on vocals !
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Post by EmRR on Jul 27, 2020 14:15:18 GMT -6
The Dept of Commerce was mine. My sharpie labeling is still on the back. www.altomusic.com/michael-brauer-collection-dept-of-commerce-comp-serial-number-1378-from-rack-4I bought it for $100 in 2001, along with a second one. There was someone selling a bunch of them for that price at the time. I restored it and sold it to him a few months later for $400. It was such a piece of sonic junk, I felt like he'd probably return it. No one was into things that sounded like telephones yet!
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Post by Ward on Jul 27, 2020 15:10:46 GMT -6
The Dept of Commerce was mine. My sharpie labeling is still on the back. www.altomusic.com/michael-brauer-collection-dept-of-commerce-comp-serial-number-1378-from-rack-4I bought it for $100 in 2001, along with a second one. There was someone selling a bunch of them for that price at the time. I restored it and sold it to him a few months later for $400. It was such a piece of sonic junk, I felt like he'd probably return it. No one was into things that sounded like telephones yet! But then he sprinkled it with pixie dust and now it's worth $3389? Or did he have more work done to it?
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