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Post by Guitar on Jul 6, 2020 14:23:42 GMT -6
You can't complain, but people will anyway.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jul 6, 2020 16:17:41 GMT -6
He will probably get bored with the handful of plugin compressors that don’t suck. Most of them fail horribly at converting sound pressure energy into harmonic energy. Most of them alias. Most plugin compressors simply make your track smaller and shittier. There are quite a few badasses that seem to have figured it out and mix great sounding records without the need of outboard.
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Post by matt on Jul 6, 2020 17:52:12 GMT -6
Holy crap, we are truly living in an alternate timeline. Brauer, ITB! It's so weird, I've been doing the hybrid Brauer approach for several years and just took down my racks to move ITB. It's different, and my mixes are not as good yet, but it's on me, not the gear. Now if I could only get Pro Tools to behave . . .
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Post by phantom on Jul 7, 2020 5:48:25 GMT -6
You can't complain, but people will anyway. Totally. And it's subjective, everybody can complain and critic, that's good. But I think it's hard to point something like "when Tchad and Andrew were OTB, their mixes were so much better". I really find objectively hard to do that.
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Post by jamiesego on Jul 8, 2020 13:28:27 GMT -6
I wish I was independently wealthy and could snag a few of these pieces. I wonder what that Motown EQ will sell for.
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Post by drbill on Jul 8, 2020 13:38:06 GMT -6
He actually doesn't look that happy about the whole deal.....
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Post by christopher on Jul 8, 2020 14:01:55 GMT -6
It’s sad. There’s no plugin suite that’s going to fill that hole. I’ve seen more recent interviews with Scheps that aren’t so 100% pro ITB like they were a year or two ago. Seems he admits he now hears there’s a difference.. (not that it matters... yet)
...however, there are so many exciting new analog products being made right now. There’s so much to explore and rebuild.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 8, 2020 14:20:50 GMT -6
I have been listening to twenty thousand hertz podcast recently. This episode really spoke to me about Analog and Digital: www.20k.org/episodes/analogI think it hits the nail right on the head. It's not talking about mixing exactly, but just analog and digital mediums. I still think its realive to what we do. There is just something about analog and at this point the people that love it don't reeeeaaallllly know what it is or why. But I think a huge part of it is the act of using something physical. It connects you more to the thing you are doing and some times, thats all it takes. I'd give it a listen if you have 20mins or so. Pretty cool. megaphone.link/TTH6325925360
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Post by drbill on Jul 8, 2020 14:48:09 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 8, 2020 14:49:42 GMT -6
Can anyone point to a specific Brauer mix that shows off his compressed stem technique? I think it's a great idea and use my own version of it. Super easy in a DAW. I can see that most 'name' mixers from the big console days have little reason to stay fully analog, especially as mixing has become a remote, back and forth process, and mixers are dealing with multiple clients simultaneously. A testament to how good plugins have become. Some of my favorite Brauer Mixes are: She Burns by Foy Vance Loveless by Lo Moon Viva la Vida(album) by Coldplay As mentioned earlier his work on John Mayer's Continuum album was really special(as was Manny Marroquin's on that same album). Well damn. I always thought Brauer did all of Continuum. But apparently Manny Marroquin mixed Waiting on the world, Slow Dancing In A Burning Room and Gravity. Those were the standouts to me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 8, 2020 14:51:14 GMT -6
Also - did he SAY he was all ITB? Someone that should know told me he just sells off hardware and gets new stuff every couple years.
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Post by dror520 on Jul 8, 2020 15:24:42 GMT -6
Also - did he SAY he was all ITB? Someone that should know told me he just sells off hardware and gets new stuff every couple years. He replied on Instagram that he’s completely ITB now
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Post by ericn on Jul 8, 2020 15:39:18 GMT -6
Also - did he SAY he was all ITB? Someone that should know told me he just sells off hardware and gets new stuff every couple years. I often wonder how much of these guys moving ITB happens after a meeting with their accountants who remind them this is a business after all.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 8, 2020 15:56:17 GMT -6
Or prepare to see “The Michael Brauer Plugin Collection”
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 8, 2020 16:09:47 GMT -6
He will probably get bored with the handful of plugin compressors that don’t suck. Most of them fail horribly at converting sound pressure energy into harmonic energy. Most of them alias. Most plugin compressors simply make your track smaller and shittier. Funny you should mention that. I just opened a track I haven't looked at for weeks. I eliminated 3 compressors, and when I got rid of the last one, boom, big open sound. What was I thinking back when I was doing that early mix.
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Post by sirthought on Jul 8, 2020 16:32:56 GMT -6
I'm a fan of several albums he has worked on. I think it's usually a modern, yet very natural sound.
Stand outs are Grizzly Bear's Shields, Brett Dennen's Lover Boy, My Morning Jacket's Evil Urges, Shawn Colvin's Fat City. He did that Angelique Kidjo reworking of Remain In Light which sounded fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 17:11:50 GMT -6
He will probably get bored with the handful of plugin compressors that don’t suck. Most of them fail horribly at converting sound pressure energy into harmonic energy. Most of them alias. Most plugin compressors simply make your track smaller and shittier. Funny you should mention that. I just opened a track I haven't looked at for weeks. I eliminated 3 compressors, and when I got rid of the last one, boom, big open sound. What was I thinking back when I was doing that early mix. I wonder the same thing sometimes. My current mix I used all these things I didn't realize were soft clippers on the rough mix for headphone mix stems. I rough mixed the last four tracks in one night. The kick never worked and sounded like poop soloed. I took off everything. Huge but doesn't work in the mix. I need to remix everything from the multitracks. I've also had realizations about Waves API 2500 and bx_townhouse recently and how they artifact vs good old The Glue.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 8, 2020 20:57:22 GMT -6
Even the UAD API 2500 grips too hard. I never use it now, what a waste of money. I wish UAD had a trade-in policy or allowed resale.
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Post by dougwendal on Jul 8, 2020 23:17:59 GMT -6
Even the UAD API 2500 grips too hard. I never use it now, what a waste of money. I wish UAD had a trade-in policy or allowed resale. I wish they had a trade-in policy too. I believe they could structure it to be financially beneficial for them. However, I don't believe it will ever happen.
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Post by Quint on Jul 8, 2020 23:24:19 GMT -6
It’s sad. There’s no plugin suite that’s going to fill that hole. I’ve seen more recent interviews with Scheps that aren’t so 100% pro ITB like they were a year or two ago. Seems he admits he now hears there’s a difference.. (not that it matters... yet) ...however, there are so many exciting new analog products being made right now. There’s so much to explore and rebuild. I'd be curious to read where he said that?
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Post by christopher on Jul 8, 2020 23:58:57 GMT -6
Might have been a recent tape op? I was skimming wherever I saw the interview.. he talked about how analog has a different character re: distortion.. and I kind of giggled to myself.. I’ve been to that hell lol
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Post by OtisGreying on Jul 9, 2020 2:09:16 GMT -6
The full video is up, he looks excited and looking forward to the transition. If MB thinks its not a compromise sonically, or that the compromise is so minute that continuing to use all the highest quality analog gear he already owns and knows well doesn't make sense anymore, that speaks volumes.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 9, 2020 5:37:05 GMT -6
Yeah! He seems stoked about the change in the full video. And it clearly was not an impulse decision.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 9, 2020 6:21:48 GMT -6
He heard my in-the-box mixes and that made up his mind.
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 9, 2020 7:16:46 GMT -6
He will probably get bored with the handful of plugin compressors that don’t suck. Most of them fail horribly at converting sound pressure energy into harmonic energy. Most of them alias. Most plugin compressors simply make your track smaller and shittier.
I would have fully agreed to this two years ago. But the blind ABs in the last two years teached me that plug ins can do the trick as well.....
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