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Post by seawell on Jun 22, 2020 14:25:13 GMT -6
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Post by drumsound on Jun 22, 2020 17:02:25 GMT -6
A console with 2 mic pres is a non-starter for me.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 22, 2020 18:01:00 GMT -6
A console with 2 mic pres is a non-starter for me. Yeah, I'm with you: that seems a little strange to me, also. So it's kind of a console intended for people who mix and do overdubs? And already have other outboard pres, I guess? Would be nice if it had some more 500-series slots. But I'm not in any danger of ever being able to justify buying this thing, so my opinions are really not entirely valid. I suppose under the right conditions I could imagine a user for whom this could make sense, though.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 22, 2020 18:02:16 GMT -6
People who have outboard pres and EQs?
I don't get it, but I suppose it's not marketed to me...
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Post by ericn on Jun 22, 2020 19:50:12 GMT -6
A console with 2 mic pres is a non-starter for me. How many pres were in that Focusrite/Avid controller? This is not for somebody who will be tracking drums or live bands that’s for sure. The problem for Neve is, we all know what Neve pre’s everybody wants, but putting a bunch in a console kills the price point!
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Post by EmRR on Jun 22, 2020 19:54:36 GMT -6
Is this really a broadcast board?
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Post by drumsound on Jun 22, 2020 22:01:44 GMT -6
A console with 2 mic pres is a non-starter for me. Yeah, I'm with you: that seems a little strange to me, also. So it's kind of a console intended for people who mix and do overdubs? And already have other outboard pres, I guess? Would be nice if it had some more 500-series slots. But I'm not in any danger of ever being able to justify buying this thing, so my opinions are really not entirely valid. I suppose under the right conditions I could imagine a user for whom this could make sense, though. Yeah, I'm just not a million preamps guy. I bought my second outboard preamp in January. And I honestly bought my last outboard pre possibly before this century. A console with 2 mic pres is a non-starter for me. How many pres were in that Focusrite/Avid controller? This is not for somebody who will be tracking drums or live bands that’s for sure. The problem for Neve is, we all know what Neve pre’s everybody wants, but putting a bunch in a console kills the price point! 16 in the Focusrite, as I recall. The Neve that people really want are actually made by Rupert Neve... and these ain't. Is this really a broadcast board? I think its a modern DAW guy, record vocals onto "beats" and DAW mix guy board.
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Post by ericn on Jun 22, 2020 22:08:50 GMT -6
Is this really a broadcast board? Has anybody bought a new analog broadcast board in 20 years?
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Post by sean on Jun 22, 2020 22:41:24 GMT -6
A console with 2 mic pres is a non-starter for me. How many pres were in that Focusrite/Avid controller? This is not for somebody who will be tracking drums or live bands that’s for sure. The problem for Neve is, we all know what Neve pre’s everybody wants, but putting a bunch in a console kills the price point! Control 24 has 16 preamps
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Post by EmRR on Jun 23, 2020 7:59:35 GMT -6
Is this really a broadcast board? Has anybody bought a new analog broadcast board in 20 years? Probably not, but there's always some upscale perception of a digitally controlled analog board. I'm too lazy to look at the specs here and really could give 2 flying farts about what this is or might be.
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Post by seawell on Jun 23, 2020 8:41:03 GMT -6
After seeing more angles in the video, it really looks like a couple of 8816s with a couple of 8804s and a monitoring section. It's impressive looking, I'll give them that and priced around $24,000 USD, they'll sell a few just for people to have the Neve name in their studio. Not quite what I'm looking for after further inspection though.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 23, 2020 9:58:22 GMT -6
How much would it have cost them to put a 1290 line amp with transformers on each channel? $200/channel? Bump the price to 30k and put those line amps in and they would be flying off the shelves.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 10:21:35 GMT -6
Consider the current Neve gear actually designed by Rupert, Rupert Neve Designs, is aiming for a higher market than this, AMS seem to want to undercut his Shelford consoles. The RND stuff bests the AMS stuff easily but you won’t get a 1073 or 1081 sound. You know this is going to be some impossible to maintain long term surface mount pcb console that’s super overpriced for what’s in it and the sound just like the other recent AMS Neve stuff that can’t hold a candle to restored vintage gear. 24k and you’ll still need a bunch of pres to record a band. This is for rappers and pop rock bands with too much money who can’t play and don’t use real drums.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 23, 2020 10:27:37 GMT -6
Shelford channel is surface mount, for what its worth.
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Post by ericn on Jun 23, 2020 10:40:25 GMT -6
It’s a price point piece designed for the guy who has heard Neve, Neve, his entire audio life. GC pro will sell a bunch. They will be a PITA to support because of all the cool routing and the features it lacks. To make it work you probably would have to spend as much on patchbays and cabling. But it says Neve.
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Post by christopher on Jun 23, 2020 11:53:55 GMT -6
Is this really a broadcast board? That was my first thought. I use a broadcast board and this looks very similar.. dual line in, 24 channels, 4 groups, 4 auxes. No EQ though? As I think about it, this could make sense. For pure analog my board feels too small. But for digital I really enjoy my board, it feels the perfect size: it’s big yet compact, has the analog sound and mainly the group/blending options I need. The onboard EQs are great but I’ve also looked at my mixdown for recall and realize I often only have a few EQ activated, most of the mix is in the faders and sends. The reason I don’t need much is because I’ll get the sound before final mixing. With digital I do stem printing. I used to keep it simple, but lately I like to mult a track across a handful of tracks, EQ them and compress them differently, blend to taste send that to the 4 groups and master, EQ/compress the groups.., blend everything differently to get a sound, and print the master. I can only print one stem at a time this way, so I’m using probably 6-8 EQs and maybe 4 compressors. It’s a ton of fun and can’t really describe what it does. The only real downside is, it’s like tracking in that you aren’t hearing the whole mix, just making a decent guess how you think it will sound. But you can always redo. Something like this, you can probably get by with 8 pres/EQs and maybe 4-8 compressors? If you run out there’s ITB. I still have a hard time imagining being at the faders and reaching for a quick EQ and nothing there!
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Post by bradd on Jun 23, 2020 11:55:57 GMT -6
I thought the concept of 3 mono auxes was strange. What's the thought behind that?
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Post by ericn on Jun 23, 2020 12:02:32 GMT -6
I thought the concept of 3 mono auxes was strange. What's the thought behind that? Price point and market research.
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Post by bradd on Jun 23, 2020 12:05:16 GMT -6
But doesn't everybody run outboard reverbs in stereo so that it would make sense to have an even number? I've never seen a board that had an odd number of aux sends.
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Post by christopher on Jun 23, 2020 12:17:10 GMT -6
That is weird! I think there are 2 stereo reverb returns? But I think you can also look at it as 5 mono auxes or 2 stereo +1 mono send.
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Post by christopher on Jun 23, 2020 12:18:32 GMT -6
This might possibly also be aimed at the YouTube rockstar crowd. This would be good for interviews and ‘TV shows’
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Post by ericn on Jun 23, 2020 12:19:04 GMT -6
But doesn't everybody run outboard reverbs in stereo so that it would make sense to have an even number? I've never seen a board that had an odd number of aux sends. First I’m guessing that according to Neve’s market research most of the intended customers are using reverb plugins, if they go out of the box they probably have one outboard reverb. Now a fair amount if not most outboard reverbs summed the left and right inputs to mono and then generated a “stereo” output, so you don’t need to use 2 outputs ( this is where you dive into the users manual.).
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Post by seawell on Jun 23, 2020 12:37:30 GMT -6
This might possibly also be aimed at the YouTube rockstar crowd. This would be good for interviews and ‘TV shows’ They may be the only one's left that can afford new gear like this unfortunately 😂
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Post by christopher on Jun 23, 2020 14:04:25 GMT -6
There’s a lot of young adults/teens who dream of being YouTube/tic tok/IG personalities. The kids are so addicted, and it happens so fast. They watch a couple vids spoon fed by algorithm and bam- no cartoon, movie, nothing compares to that endless short video fix. Withdrawals, tears, screaming, bad habits.. it’s craziness. Then you get the ads secretly mixed into the message, it’s a serious force right now. And they show off the excess, 20 year olds pranking around in super cars while playing Minecraft and Fortnite.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 24, 2020 12:30:23 GMT -6
There’s a lot of young adults/teens who dream of being YouTube/tic tok/IG personalities. The kids are so addicted, and it happens so fast. They watch a couple vids spoon fed by algorithm and bam- no cartoon, movie, nothing compares to that endless short video fix. Withdrawals, tears, screaming, bad habits.. it’s craziness. Then you get the ads secretly mixed into the message, it’s a serious force right now. And they show off the excess, 20 year olds pranking around in super cars while playing Minecraft and Fortnite. Yeah, it's true, and it's scary. I had to remove YouTube Kids from Søren's iPad. Just so many little kids playing with their insane yardful of toys that were given to them for free by toy companies. Way better for those companies than buying ads! Søren seriously would've sat and watched that garbage for two hours if I ever would've let him. I can only imagine how that translates to 20-somethings with rockstar-appearance ambitions.
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