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Post by Darren Boling on Jun 5, 2020 11:37:16 GMT -6
Well, the other roadblock is how would I use REW in conjuntion with Dirac, which is a plugin only inside my DAW? Audio Hijack, hosts apps and plugins. It's what I used before Sonarworks introduced Systemwide. |
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Post by Darren Boling on Jun 5, 2020 11:44:26 GMT -6
I should add that the miniDSP UMIK-1 makes using REW much easier than the Sonarworks mic, it's also recommended for Dirac. I was annoyed at having to buy another measurement mic but the ease of use was well worth it.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 5, 2020 12:46:45 GMT -6
I should add that the miniDSP UMIK-1 makes using REW much easier than the Sonarworks mic, it's also recommended for Dirac. I was annoyed at having to buy another measurement mic but the ease of use was well worth it. Ha! Yeah, funny enough, I used to have that mic back when I was beta testing Dirac years ago. And when I bought Sonarworks, I discovered that you can't use a USB mic (UMIK-1) with Sonarworks! Doh! So, I have the Sonarworks mic now. Meh. I think they're all relatively similar. Maybe if I 100% commit to Dirac, I'll pick up that mic again. |
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Post by Darren Boling on Jun 5, 2020 12:56:33 GMT -6
Ha! Yeah, funny enough, I used to have that mic back when I was beta testing Dirac years ago. And when I bought Sonarworks, I discovered that you can't use a USB mic (UMIK-1) with Sonarworks! Doh! So, I have the Sonarworks mic now. Meh. I think they're all relatively similar. Maybe if I 100% commit to Dirac, I'll pick up that mic again. I sure hope they're similar! Ideally identical. I have it purely for ease of use and kept the Sonarworks mic as it's easy for their system. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2020 16:32:11 GMT -6
BTW - The application just says "Dirac Live" right?
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 5, 2020 16:43:53 GMT -6
BTW - The application just says "Dirac Live" right? The measurement app? Yeah, think so. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2020 18:45:27 GMT -6
I should add that the miniDSP UMIK-1 makes using REW much easier than the Sonarworks mic, it's also recommended for Dirac. I was annoyed at having to buy another measurement mic but the ease of use was well worth it. Ha! Yeah, funny enough, I used to have that mic back when I was beta testing Dirac years ago. And when I bought Sonarworks, I discovered that you can't use a USB mic (UMIK-1) with Sonarworks! Doh! So, I have the Sonarworks mic now. Meh. I think they're all relatively similar. Maybe if I 100% commit to Dirac, I'll pick up that mic again. I’m thinking that while on axis both mics are pretty much the same, the software compensated for the predicted off axis response. Would be interesting to compare different measurement mics. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2020 19:23:32 GMT -6
Ha! Yeah, funny enough, I used to have that mic back when I was beta testing Dirac years ago. And when I bought Sonarworks, I discovered that you can't use a USB mic (UMIK-1) with Sonarworks! Doh! So, I have the Sonarworks mic now. Meh. I think they're all relatively similar. Maybe if I 100% commit to Dirac, I'll pick up that mic again. I’m thinking that while on axis both mics are pretty much the same, the software compensated for the predicted off axis response. Would be interesting to compare different measurement mics. I actually used the 30 degree off axis calibration file for the mic. Couldn’t remember if I needed to use that or the plain Jane one. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2020 19:49:02 GMT -6
I’m thinking that while on axis both mics are pretty much the same, the software compensated for the predicted off axis response. Would be interesting to compare different measurement mics. I actually used the 30 degree off axis calibration file for the mic. Couldn’t remember if I needed to use that or the plain Jane one. Knowing your room that probably would be best. I can’t remember what I used. I was so much more blown away by using it with the Lexicon surround box ( hey it made me look like a genius and not in the Apple way) that I probably just used the default. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2020 20:01:39 GMT -6
I actually used the 30 degree off axis calibration file for the mic. Couldn’t remember if I needed to use that or the plain Jane one. Knowing your room that probably would be best. I can’t remember what I used. I was so much more blown away by using it with the Lexicon surround box ( hey it made me look like a genius and not in the Apple way) that I probably just used the default. Which would be best? |
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 5, 2020 20:03:38 GMT -6
Knowing your room that probably would be best. I can’t remember what I used. I was so much more blown away by using it with the Lexicon surround box ( hey it made me look like a genius and not in the Apple way) that I probably just used the default. Which would be best? Isn’t one for pointing the mic straight up and the other for pointing the mic straight between the speakers? |
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 5, 2020 20:15:05 GMT -6
Ah, so 0 degrees is on-axis, point the mic at sound source.
90 degrees is for pointing mic straight up at ceiling.
30 degrees is for using with Sonarworks only, I think.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2020 20:46:49 GMT -6
Ah, so 0 degrees is on-axis, point the mic at sound source. 90 degrees is for pointing mic straight up at ceiling. 30 degrees is for using with Sonarworks only, I think. Ha! Maybe that explains my results |
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2020 21:12:22 GMT -6
Ah, so 0 degrees is on-axis, point the mic at sound source. 90 degrees is for pointing mic straight up at ceiling. 30 degrees is for using with Sonarworks only, I think. In theory, I remember when the first measurement systems came out in the 80’s everything said use this for pointing this way, do this for pointing here.... The thing was, now this was very high end PA stuff, but the guys who made it work best were ignoring all the rules. I think one of the biggest problems with This stuff is that we want a simple scientific solution. While we live in a world very much ruled by the laws of physics, what we do is all about our own individual subjective perception. Part of this is the fact that we never want to admit is the fact none of us every really wants to admit we quite often really like what something does wrong in absolute terms, rather than what it gets right. Often we AE’s will find something that really works for us and dive deeper looking for better. I shall repeat my self here we don’t listen to speakers we listen through speakers. We learn what they do right and what they do wrong. As much as I hate the “how they translate “ argument I’ll admit to having the conversation with other AE’s and the subject of the best monitors they have worked on. It’s amazing how often the fact that the mixes or tracks sucked ! What am I getting at, well if it ain’t broke don’t try to fix it! The other day I was out walking around, it was hot and humid so I stopped at the new audiophile dealer sat down and listened to a $20,000 system in a fairly treated room. With tracks I know, a couple I was part of it was just wrong in the voice range and their was no phantom center. Man did I feel good when I got home. I hugged the Questeds! |
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Post by donr on Jun 5, 2020 22:46:01 GMT -6
Well, the other roadblock is how would I use REW in conjuntion with Dirac, which is a plugin only inside my DAW? Audio Hijack, hosts apps and plugins. It's what I used before Sonarworks introduced Systemwide. Hijack is a tool I hadn't thought of for systemwide audio plug ins. Light bulb.. for Mac users. |
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 6, 2020 5:36:59 GMT -6
Sonarworks works as advertised Phil Wards of SOS measured with REW and found out that its close to the factories' speaker voicing. That is also what my ears tell me from knowing my monitors in and out under very good conditions.
Have you tried the new Dirac Live Studio and compared to Sonarworks?
For real, I could but my lifetime is limited and SW works in mix time....
DONE FOR ME......
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 6, 2020 6:12:39 GMT -6
Ah, so 0 degrees is on-axis, point the mic at sound source. 90 degrees is for pointing mic straight up at ceiling. 30 degrees is for using with Sonarworks only, I think.
We provide two calibration files to be used depending on your application.
- For stereo system (e.g. 2ch dirac live, single speaker measurement), use the 0deg file and point the UMIK-1 at the speakers
- For multichannel system (E.g. 5.1/7.1) or a surround application where multiple speakers are spreadout around the room, use the 90deg file and point the UMIK-1 at the ceiling.
I used the 0 degree calibration file with the Sonarworks mic, so my results should be consistent with the UMIK-1 mic, and I assume would only improve if using that mic. |
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Post by thirdeye on Jun 6, 2020 11:57:23 GMT -6
Are you using a subwoofer? I’m running a stereo system with dual subs. I’m looking at the 8 channel analog mini dsp. Wondering how their AD and DA sounds?? The latency seems okay. Depending on the mini dsp unit, looks like anywhere from around 18ms to 26ms. I've reached out to minidsp to see if I could somehow demo a DHRC-88A. I looked on their website and they have a "no return" policy, so I don't want to be stuck with one if I don't like the sound of it. My DA is a Lavry DA10 (one DA10 for L+R and one DA10 for PFL/AFL), so not super high end DA, but still okay. Those signals then go to my Avid/Digidesign XMon inputs. The Xmon monitor outs I split to feed my L+R+Lsub+Rsub. The DHRC-88A is the only minidsp box that will work for my configuration (2 balanced inputs, 4 balanced outputs post Xmon if that makes sense). I wish I could use the DHRC-88D and avoid the additional AD/DA of the DHRC-88A, but I just can't make it work with the configuration I am using. |
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Post by thirdeye on Jun 6, 2020 12:01:30 GMT -6
I should add that the miniDSP UMIK-1 makes using REW much easier than the Sonarworks mic, it's also recommended for Dirac. I was annoyed at having to buy another measurement mic but the ease of use was well worth it. Doesn't the minidsp mic have individual unique calibration files by serial number from minidsp?? |
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Post by Darren Boling on Jun 6, 2020 12:05:40 GMT -6
Doesn't the minidsp mic have individual unique calibration files by serial number from minidsp?? Yes, both 0 and 90 degrees. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 8, 2020 9:42:09 GMT -6
Anyone using the plug-in have a stereo system with a subwoofer (or subwoofers)?? Looking like it's only for Left and Right, with no sub. Dirac just emailed and announced their multichannel version is now available. |
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Post by thirdeye on Jun 8, 2020 13:11:30 GMT -6
Anyone using the plug-in have a stereo system with a subwoofer (or subwoofers)?? Looking like it's only for Left and Right, with no sub. Dirac just emailed and announced their multichannel version is now available. Hey, thanks for that update!! I'll check it out. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 8, 2020 13:19:19 GMT -6
Just a PSA for those with iPhones. Was listening to some stuff in the car...and it’s a new car at that with a “nicer” stereo - and it was pretty huge on the bottom. Thought SW might not be translating as well as I thought. Then I realized I had the “late night” eq on my iTunes. Turned that off and everything sounded good again.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 9, 2020 13:04:08 GMT -6
Just occurred to me that I might have measured in 48khz...does that matter?
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 9, 2020 14:31:06 GMT -6
Just occurred to me that I might have measured in 48khz...does that matter? Not sure. Did they want 44.1? I can’t remember. I emailed them about using the Sonarworks mic instead. They said it was fine. |
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