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Post by mulmany on May 30, 2020 13:38:00 GMT -6
I think the hardest thing to figure out is how many lines you need in each rack.
If you do it by rackspace alone you will be short if you switch over to say 500 series or multi-channel units.
I have learned to keep it in sets of 24 and just be okay with having extra unused lines going to each rack. I am using e90 elco bays. I made the mistake originally of using different size multi pair cables to each e90 connection depending on the equipment that I had on hand. That has proven to be a bad long-term decision.
I would account for 4 channels per 1u to be safe. This will cover 500 series and most multi channel units. Also give your self 1.5x the rack height on your multipair breakouts.
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Post by Blackdawg on May 30, 2020 17:23:23 GMT -6
I have 7 Switchcraft 9625 TT point patch bays. And they work great for interfacing gear 8 points at a time. And I have two old 96 point TT bays for connection to long snakes that go out to three different rooms. What I need to do and will do in the future, is connect up 16 more point to the bays and have XLRs and TRS connections points on the back for more easily streamlining other gear into the system and having more control room connection points. The 8 connection point groupings of the 9625s work great for a lot of stuff but are limited too. Overcoming the limitations and finding more flexibilities is what I'm after next. I like the front-panel configurable, per channel, normal/half-normal/through aspect of the 9625 and would buy the 9625 if I ever bought a patchbay again. This was a pain in the ass with the Redco patchbays I bought. The other thing, which you would think would be a no brainer, is labeling. The Redco was so narrow and the spaces between the holes so small that it was hard to attach, write and legibly read the connections on the paper in such a small space.
I don't use a patchbay anymore, but they are a pain in the ass if you want to make changes, and anybody who uses one needs to think long and hard about a set and forget configuration. Climbing in the back to reconfigure db25's and change switches etc. isn't easy. The old adage , "measure twice and cut once" in carpentry applies to patchbays in spades.I'd not recommend that patch bay. The faceplate isn't thick enough and bends in or out depending on the direction your inserting your cables. Pretty disappointing honestly. When you have an audio accessories bay next to and notice the front panel is twice as thick, you understand why.
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Post by klauth on Jun 1, 2020 13:37:56 GMT -6
The deeper I fall into the gear rabbit hole, the happier I've become. I love the presence of gear. The patchbay has become the core interest for me these days, and I actually find myself looking to add more gear to expand it. I suppose its a phase that gear lovers go through. It's a shame to me how gear has become a hated thing(for various reasons) I get it but, through all the hating of it, I've discovered what I'm all about, because of gear.... I've learned that I'm a child of the post industrial age. and that means, I'm most comfortable with mechanical, physical things. thus, music has become an excuse to buy gear and turn back the clock... to a bunker...somewhere in yesteryear. thanks for all the input.
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Post by Ward on Jun 1, 2020 13:48:35 GMT -6
The deeper I fall into the gear rabbit hole, the happier I've become. I love the presence of gear. The patchbay has become the core interest for me these days, and I actually find myself looking to add more gear to expand it. I suppose its a phase that gear lovers go through. It's a shame to me how gear has become a hated thing(for various reasons) I get it but, through all the hating of it, I've discovered what I'm all about, because of gear.... I've learned that I'm a child of the post industrial age. and that means, I'm most comfortable with mechanical, physical things. thus, music has become an excuse to buy gear and turn back the clock... to a bunker...somewhere in yesteryear. thanks for all the input. Nothing drives GAS like unused patch bay slots!
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Post by thirdeye on Jun 1, 2020 17:38:48 GMT -6
The deeper I fall into the gear rabbit hole, the happier I've become. I love the presence of gear. The patchbay has become the core interest for me these days, and I actually find myself looking to add more gear to expand it. I suppose its a phase that gear lovers go through. It's a shame to me how gear has become a hated thing(for various reasons) I get it but, through all the hating of it, I've discovered what I'm all about, because of gear.... I've learned that I'm a child of the post industrial age. and that means, I'm most comfortable with mechanical, physical things. thus, music has become an excuse to buy gear and turn back the clock... to a bunker...somewhere in yesteryear. thanks for all the input. Nothing drives GAS like unused patch bay slots! Except empty 500 series slots!! Ha!!
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Post by ericn on Jun 1, 2020 18:44:51 GMT -6
Nothing drives GAS like unused patch bay slots! Except empty 500 series slots!! Ha!! Or rack space, or anywhere to put it or Cash or room on the credit card... Remember I was a gear pimp😎
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 1, 2020 18:58:22 GMT -6
One of the biggest shocks I ever had was what I heard after completely bypassing a patch bay.
Just sayin...
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Post by drbill on Jun 1, 2020 19:05:14 GMT -6
One of the biggest shocks I ever had was what I heard after completely bypassing a patch bay. Just sayin... How many miles of cable were you bypassing Bob? And/or what kind of cable? I've got my patch bays linked into my ProTools HDX inserts so I can easily switch them in or out with a mouse click. I can hear zero difference. I've only got about 80 feet of Mogami in line though. With good TT bays.....
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Post by ericn on Jun 1, 2020 19:25:19 GMT -6
One of the biggest shocks I ever had was what I heard after completely bypassing a patch bay. Just sayin... Yeah I know exactly what your talking about, but in that prior life as a gear pimp do you want to guess how many times I had to help a client grieve for that favorite piece that got knocked off and hit the floor as they direct patched😎! Sold a whole lot of patchbays that way & kept the service dept. in the black!
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Post by peterhess on Sept 18, 2020 19:07:25 GMT -6
Who’s got suggestions for strain relief for DB25 coming off the back of racked gear? Do I need rear rails? Because I definitely need some strain relief... this roll of gaffer is doing it for now but c’mon now...
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Post by drbill on Sept 18, 2020 19:24:02 GMT -6
Who’s got suggestions for strain relief for DB25 coming off the back of racked gear? Do I need rear rails? Because I definitely need some strain relief... this roll of gaffer is doing it for now but c’mon now... Grrrrr.... That's my major gripe with DB's. My fix? Elco's? LOL. Sorry, but I can't hang with any more D Subs in my life. I wish you the best of luck and reliability and lack of strain!!!
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Post by ericn on Sept 18, 2020 22:10:05 GMT -6
Who’s got suggestions for strain relief for DB25 coming off the back of racked gear? Do I need rear rails? Because I definitely need some strain relief... this roll of gaffer is doing it for now but c’mon now... Simple Rear rails tie /strain relief bars from penn Elco and cable ties.
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 19, 2020 1:58:08 GMT -6
Who’s got suggestions for strain relief for DB25 coming off the back of racked gear? Do I need rear rails? Because I definitely need some strain relief... this roll of gaffer is doing it for now but c’mon now... yep. Just get you some rear rails and then some bars and velcro straps. I've also used 1u blanks which work pretty nice and looks better but not as cheap.
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Post by Ward on Sept 22, 2020 10:34:08 GMT -6
Who’s got suggestions for strain relief for DB25 coming off the back of racked gear? Do I need rear rails? Because I definitely need some strain relief... this roll of gaffer is doing it for now but c’mon now... If you have wooden racks, you can drill small holes and screw in medium sized planter hooks sideways, and then run them along like that. Lift and let them fall into place.
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 21, 2020 15:53:46 GMT -6
Silly question. I’m out of patchbay outputs (top row) and have empty inputs (bottom row). What’s the potential problem of using the bottom row for outputs? i.e. I’d have inputs and outputs next to each other. Of course whatever is in the top row would be non-normalled.
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Post by ericn on Nov 21, 2020 16:26:24 GMT -6
Silly question. I’m out of patchbay outputs (top row) and have empty inputs (bottom row). What’s the potential problem of using the bottom row for outputs? i.e. I’d have inputs and outputs next to each other. Of course whatever is in the top row would be non-normalled. No real problem except the fact that it’s going to make you actually think when you use those pairs. That 4am session is going to make you go buy another bay.
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