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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 10:41:04 GMT -6
seems like excellent offering for the price point. Made in Austria (former AKG employees) they redid the C12 capsule
mic B is austrian
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Post by EmRR on Apr 4, 2020 11:03:35 GMT -6
Have wanted to try one.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 5, 2020 1:34:52 GMT -6
IMHO not a good choice for the bright voiced vocalist, prone to sibilance (like me). Same for the Lewitt LDC line BTW, except the tube versions which were excellent (on me).
BTW the TLM 102, in that guitar video, would be quite a good choice though on my voice. Less bright than the 103, as you may know.
Chris
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 1:55:33 GMT -6
IMHO not a good choice for the bright voiced vocalist, prone to sibilance (like me). Same for the Lewitt LDC line BTW, except the tube versions which were excellent (on me). BTW the TLM 102, in that guitar video, would be quite a good choice though on my voice. Less bright than the 103, as you may know. Chris Agreed. I also thoght the mic is sibliant. I suggested to them to make a tranformer version maybe that can tame those highs? I like tranformer mics. Isn't C12 a sibliant mic too? Same capsule? |
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 5, 2020 3:19:33 GMT -6
IMO a mic that captures existing sibilance is not a sibilant mic. It’s an accurate mic. A sibilant mic will create sibilance due to mechanical flaws in its design, or at least that’s what I always read.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 5, 2020 8:54:20 GMT -6
IMHO not a good choice for the bright voiced vocalist, prone to sibilance (like me). Same for the Lewitt LDC line BTW, except the tube versions which were excellent (on me). BTW the TLM 102, in that guitar video, would be quite a good choice though on my voice. Less bright than the 103, as you may know. Chris Agreed. I also thoght the mic is sibliant. I suggested to them to make a tranformer version maybe that can tame those highs? I like tranformer mics. Isn't C12 a sibliant mic too? Same capsule? Transformers don't really tame highs unless they're crappy transformers. They distort them if anything. A C12 would seem to be sibilant, yet the good originals I've heard on singers I think of as sibilant don't exhibit any, they're just airy. One guy sounds sibilant on a U67, and not on a C12. Go figure. There's one shootout on youtube of the Austrian Audio with an original C12, may one other mic. That's interesting. The C12 is bright butter. |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 5, 2020 9:53:43 GMT -6
IMO a mic that captures existing sibilance is not a sibilant mic. It’s an accurate mic. A sibilant mic will create sibilance due to mechanical flaws in its design, or at least that’s what I always read. The Austrian Audio microphones slighty amplified, my existing sibilance though. I'm better off with something flat/dipped, around 6-7 KHz,or a ribbon. Chris |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 5, 2020 9:54:58 GMT -6
Agreed. I also thoght the mic is sibliant. I suggested to them to make a tranformer version maybe that can tame those highs? I like tranformer mics. Isn't C12 a sibliant mic too? Same capsule? Transformers don't really tame highs unless they're crappy transformers. They distort them if anything. A C12 would seem to be sibilant, yet the good originals I've heard on singers I think of as sibilant don't exhibit any, they're just airy. One guy sounds sibilant on a U67, and not on a C12. Go figure. There's one shootout on youtube of the Austrian Audio with an original C12, may one other mic. That's interesting. The C12 is bright butter. Totally agree. The FLEA 12 I sang/tried with Tim C's capsule... Works great!  Chris P.S. Same with U67 & Soundelux U99. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 11:31:50 GMT -6
IMO a mic that captures existing sibilance is not a sibilant mic. It’s an accurate mic. A sibilant mic will create sibilance due to mechanical flaws in its design, or at least that’s what I always read. i dont know the technicalities, but that makes sense. Agreed. I also thoght the mic is sibliant. I suggested to them to make a tranformer version maybe that can tame those highs? I like tranformer mics. Isn't C12 a sibliant mic too? Same capsule? Transformers don't really tame highs unless they're crappy transformers. They distort them if anything. A C12 would seem to be sibilant, yet the good originals I've heard on singers I think of as sibilant don't exhibit any, they're just airy. One guy sounds sibilant on a U67, and not on a C12. Go figure. There's one shootout on youtube of the Austrian Audio with an original C12, may one other mic. That's interesting. The C12 is bright butter. good information. you i heard that shootout too. you talking about this one? |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 5, 2020 12:06:46 GMT -6
What surprised me, is I went back to my AKG 200 LDC (2 nights ago), which is moderately more sibilant, than the Austrian Audio line.
And the AKG 200 sounded fine on me for voice over, no/minimal De-essing needed. But that's "spoken" versus sung.
BTW I dig the "funky" stock transformer on my Oktava 319. That 'lil smudge, gives the tone a cool character.
Chris
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 5, 2020 12:53:29 GMT -6
So, for the sake of definitions, a mic can increase sibilance in two ways:
-A cheap design that has resonances in the sibilance area. i.e. it actually creates extra sibilant sounds. This is probably not singer-dependent.
-A good design that happens to emphasize the upper midrange in the same area that your particular "s" sounds are. This is certainly singer-dependent.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 5, 2020 12:56:47 GMT -6
A C12 would seem to be sibilant, yet the good originals I've heard on singers I think of as sibilant don't exhibit any, they're just airy. One guy sounds sibilant on a U67, and not on a C12. Go figure. There's one shootout on youtube of the Austrian Audio with an original C12, may one other mic. That's interesting. The C12 is bright butter. good information. you i heard that shootout too. you talking about this one? Yep, that's it. I forgot it was a TLII, that's apples to oranges and should have been a standard 414. |
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Post by EmRR on Apr 5, 2020 12:57:05 GMT -6
A C12 would seem to be sibilant, yet the good originals I've heard on singers I think of as sibilant don't exhibit any, they're just airy. One guy sounds sibilant on a U67, and not on a C12. Go figure. There's one shootout on youtube of the Austrian Audio with an original C12, may one other mic. That's interesting. The C12 is bright butter. good information. you i heard that shootout too. you talking about this one? Yep, that's it. I forgot it was a TLII, that's apples to oranges and should have been a standard 414. |
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Post by reddirt on Apr 5, 2020 16:56:07 GMT -6
Excuse the fact that i seem to be in the business of offering negative aspects lately but hey its a contribution....
A couple of absolutely glowing reviews in Sound on Sound and Audio Technology had me champing at the bit to try the multi pattern model as I'm a sucker for the early AKG CK 12 sound and the price is more than right.
Called one of the top stores here in Australia who had it and dug into the salesman as I'm 1500 kms away and wouldnt be able to hear it before purchase; told him my present mics and explained if it didnt wow me Id be sending it straight back.
He then shared that a highly regarded tech from the national broadcasting service (ABC) had given it a solid trial and gave it back not overly enamoured.
Now, FWTW it tempered my initial excitement .
I've probably too much time on my hands right now but pause for thought can be good ; definitely pays not to take too much out of reviews and to try for oneself is my take out, which I will do next time in Sydney.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by EmRR on Apr 5, 2020 17:00:27 GMT -6
It's funny, in the vein of 414's, I'm not even thinking of it as a vocal mic. More excited about the dual output capabilities for multi-instrument and ambient use.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 6, 2020 0:02:48 GMT -6
Excuse the fact that i seem to be in the business of offering negative aspects lately but hey its a contribution.... A couple of absolutely glowing reviews in Sound on Sound and Audio Technology had me champing at the bit to try the multi pattern model as I'm a sucker for the early AKG CK 12 sound and the price is more than right. Called one of the top stores here in Australia who had it and dug into the salesman as I'm 1500 kms away and wouldnt be able to hear it before purchase; told him my present mics and explained if it didnt wow me Id be sending it straight back. He then shared that a highly regarded tech from the national broadcasting service (ABC) had given it a solid trial and gave it back not overly enamoured. Now, FWTW it tempered my initial excitement . I've probably too much time on my hands right now but pause for thought can be good ; definitely pays not to take too much out of reviews and to try for oneself is my take out, which I will do next time in Sydney. Cheers, Ross It doesn't have the early CK12 sound. Outside of a primo vintage C12 or brass 414... Have to go somewhere like Tim Campbell/Eric Heiserman/Bock etc. for a similar sound. Chris |
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