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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 21:03:56 GMT -6
Anybody got this? It's cheap as hell but doesn't have trim knob. Wonder how it comes to the real deal vintage one.. Or the ams 4081
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 2, 2020 3:55:34 GMT -6
Why not the ez1073? Slightly more but has a trim.
AML makes quality gear so I don't doubt that it sounds great.
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Post by din on Apr 2, 2020 7:01:25 GMT -6
I don't believe the 4081 has the output transformers, which likely alters the sound.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 8:39:23 GMT -6
Why not the ez1073? Slightly more but has a trim. AML makes quality gear so I don't doubt that it sounds great. Already have 73 clone. But I prefer the 81 sound on vocals (vintage that is) havent heard the clones yet |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 14:05:05 GMT -6
I don't believe the 4081 has the output transformers, which likely alters the sound. That's not very smart if they did that. A company on that level shoudnt be cutting corners like that |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 2, 2020 14:26:56 GMT -6
I don't believe the 4081 has the output transformers, which likely alters the sound. That's not very smart if they did that. A company on that level shoudnt be cutting corners like that Yes the AMS Neve 4081 only has input transformer. |
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Post by nudwig on Apr 3, 2020 11:18:06 GMT -6
I have the version with the eq. The pre is cool, quick, but besides a test when I first got them I don't think I ever track without the eq engaged, even if it's not doing anything. I compared my pair to tracks I had processed with an original pair of 1081's, to my ear the curves sound right on, the transformer saturation is a little different. To be fair I'm not sure about the maintenance on the original pair as they were beat up and custom racked by the rental company. I will say the EZ1081's were much easier to match on stereo material, the original pair just had that extra little bit of mojo. That said some vocal lines were recut after I returned the rentals and only had the EZ1081. I matched them from my session notes and they fit in just fine, I couldn't even tell you at this point in listening to the album which lines I did this on. I haven't tried the AMS reissues yet, would be an interesting test.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 11:31:36 GMT -6
I have the version with the eq. The pre is cool, quick, but besides a test when I first got them I don't think I ever track without the eq engaged, even if it's not doing anything. I compared my pair to tracks I had processed with an original pair of 1081's, to my ear the curves sound right on, the transformer saturation is a little different. To be fair I'm not sure about the maintenance on the original pair as they were beat up and custom racked by the rental company. I will say the EZ1081's were much easier to match on stereo material, the original pair just had that extra little bit of mojo. That said some vocal lines were recut after I returned the rentals and only had the EZ1081. I matched them from my session notes and they fit in just fine, I couldn't even tell you at this point in listening to the album which lines I did this on. I haven't tried the AMS reissues yet, would be an interesting test. great info who made the original transformers? i wonder if the carnhills are just replicas or originals? if you have any recordings done with ez1081, would love hear it. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 3, 2020 11:40:05 GMT -6
I have the version with the eq. The pre is cool, quick, but besides a test when I first got them I don't think I ever track without the eq engaged, even if it's not doing anything. I compared my pair to tracks I had processed with an original pair of 1081's, to my ear the curves sound right on, the transformer saturation is a little different. To be fair I'm not sure about the maintenance on the original pair as they were beat up and custom racked by the rental company. I will say the EZ1081's were much easier to match on stereo material, the original pair just had that extra little bit of mojo. That said some vocal lines were recut after I returned the rentals and only had the EZ1081. I matched them from my session notes and they fit in just fine, I couldn't even tell you at this point in listening to the album which lines I did this on. I haven't tried the AMS reissues yet, would be an interesting test. great info who made the original transformers? i wonder if the carnhills are just replicas or originals? if you have any recordings done with ez1081, would love hear it. I've got some tests. I'll upload them. |
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Post by nudwig on Apr 3, 2020 12:00:35 GMT -6
who made the original transformers? i wonder if the carnhills are just replicas or originals? if you have any recordings done with ez1081, would love hear it. Someone else would know the history better than I would, I'm assuming it'd be similar to all the 1073 info, Marinair or St. Ives and now these that Colin makes are using Carnhill. At the moment I can't share any full tracks that were exclusively done with the EZ1081's, I'll see if I can dig up my original A/B tests. I'll gladly process anything you have if you want to hear at least the EQ. |
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Post by scotthammond on Apr 3, 2020 16:05:23 GMT -6
The vocals on this tune were a Telefunken AR-51 into an EZ1081 and then into an Audioscape Rev A. I didn't mix the tune so I can't comment on what additional processing may have been added but I think the tone still comes through. Hope this helps you a little
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 18:19:37 GMT -6
The vocals on this tune were a Telefunken AR-51 into an EZ1081 and then into an Audioscape Rev A. I didn't mix the tune so I can't comment on what additional processing may have been added but I think the tone still comes through. Hope this helps you a little Hey man. Nice track. Nice clean sound. Is this the 5oo series or the 19nch rack. I don't know if the 19inch version has trim Hard to tell how close or different they sound unless there is some sort of A/B... Thanks for posting |
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Post by scotthammond on Apr 3, 2020 19:06:28 GMT -6
Happy to help. This one is the 500 series, I built a couple of them about 2 years ago. Unfortunately I don't have the rack version to compare.
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Post by peterhess on Apr 3, 2020 19:15:57 GMT -6
I built a pair and love ‘em. My first go to in fact. I found the instructions on calibrating nearly impossible to figure out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 20:09:29 GMT -6
Happy to help. This one is the 500 series, I built a couple of them about 2 years ago. Unfortunately I don't have the rack version to compare. How do u like them? Compare to wharver else u have |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 20:10:31 GMT -6
I built a pair and love ‘em. My first go to in fact. I found the instructions on calibrating nearly impossible to figure out. If I buy one it would be pre built, they're so cheap. Wish they had trim though. What do u like about them? What else u have? |
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Post by scotthammond on Apr 3, 2020 21:14:23 GMT -6
Happy to help. This one is the 500 series, I built a couple of them about 2 years ago. Unfortunately I don't have the rack version to compare. How do u like them? Compare to wharver else u have Like Peter, they are kinda my go-to pres when I'm recording vocals, acoustic guitars, etc. At present I have several Capi VP-312s, VP-28s, AML ez1081pres, and a RND 511. I also have a Focusrite ISA-220 that I've had for a million years and a couple of other pre's that I don't use unless I have to. Aside from the AMLs, the VP-28 preamps are the most colored so I guess they are the closest in terms of what I have. But the color is pretty different between both. It's basically what you would expect with the AML having a more muscular and extended low, smoother and softer through the mids, etc. Compared to a 1073 which I have used lots, the 1081 certainly doesn't have as extreme a color to my ear...it's a little faster and leaves the sound slightly more open and untouched. I had had a rack of 1084s here for a little while this past Fall and tracked a project where a few things went through the actual vintage 1084s and some stuff went through the AMLs. The best I can say is that I never thought that the 1084 tracks were in a different league or didn't play well withthe AML tracks. This is a weird way to compare them as the sound pretty darn different but if you're familiar with the CAPI stuff, think of the difference between the 1081/1073 as kind of like the difference between the 312/28 with the latter having a stronger fingerprint in both cases. Lastly, and this is such a personal thing...while a trim would be cool on the 1081, I've also never really regretted that it doesn't have one or missed it. I should also tell you that 99% of the time I actually mix. If I were tracking all the time I may change my opinion on the output trim. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 4, 2020 1:54:33 GMT -6
You guys have really got me wondering whether mine was calibrated right or something because I really didn't bond with it but it was not built by AML, A local tech assembled it.
Mine was pretty lacking in the low end department, particularly compared to a 1073 circuit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 9:55:24 GMT -6
I built a pair and love ‘em. My first go to in fact. I found the instructions on calibrating nearly impossible to figure out. very nice. i may get it too. How do u like them? Compare to wharver else u have Like Peter, they are kinda my go-to pres when I'm recording vocals, acoustic guitars, etc. At present I have several Capi VP-312s, VP-28s, AML ez1081pres, and a RND 511. I also have a Focusrite ISA-220 that I've had for a million years and a couple of other pre's that I don't use unless I have to. Aside from the AMLs, the VP-28 preamps are the most colored so I guess they are the closest in terms of what I have. But the color is pretty different between both. It's basically what you would expect with the AML having a more muscular and extended low, smoother and softer through the mids, etc. Compared to a 1073 which I have used lots, the 1081 certainly doesn't have as extreme a color to my ear...it's a little faster and leaves the sound slightly more open and untouched. I had had a rack of 1084s here for a little while this past Fall and tracked a project where a few things went through the actual vintage 1084s and some stuff went through the AMLs. The best I can say is that I never thought that the 1084 tracks were in a different league or didn't play well withthe AML tracks. This is a weird way to compare them as the sound pretty darn different but if you're familiar with the CAPI stuff, think of the difference between the 1081/1073 as kind of like the difference between the 312/28 with the latter having a stronger fingerprint in both cases. Lastly, and this is such a personal thing...while a trim would be cool on the 1081, I've also never really regretted that it doesn't have one or missed it. I should also tell you that 99% of the time I actually mix. If I were tracking all the time I may change my opinion on the output trim. so ez1081 get more use over the RND 511? there is something i dont like about the Porticos and i haven't heard much from shelfords but i heard its just a beefed up portico. Your description "muscular and extended low, smoother and softer" alone makes me want to grab one. does it have more weight/heft than the 1073s? thats exactly what i seem is less color but still having body to the signal. Again faster, open, all those words are exactly what i need. trim would work for me cause i usually like to track only and getting certain color is nice before digital. im not mix engineer. i rather leave that for the pro to mix. its too much to learn for me at the moment, i rather focus my efforts in the productions. have you ever used a real 1081? i wonder how close the come to those. You guys have really got me wondering whether mine was calibrated right or something because I really didn't bond with it but it was not built by AML, A local tech assembled it. Mine was pretty lacking in the low end department, particularly compared to a 1073 circuit. isnt it supposed to be bigger sounding than the 1073? maybe there is some issue. AML built one isnt too much more. |
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Post by scotthammond on Apr 4, 2020 19:01:24 GMT -6
so ez1081 get more use over the RND 511? there is something i dont like about the Porticos and i haven't heard much from shelfords but i heard its just a beefed up portico. Your description "muscular and extended low, smoother and softer" alone makes me want to grab one. does it have more weight/heft than the 1073s? thats exactly what i seem is less color but still having body to the signal. Again faster, open, all those words are exactly what i need. trim would work for me cause i usually like to track only and getting certain color is nice before digital. im not mix engineer. i rather leave that for the pro to mix. its too much to learn for me at the moment, i rather focus my efforts in the productions. have you ever used a real 1081? i wonder how close the come to those. I am currently out of rack spaces in my 500 series and the RND is the one that sits out, always. When comparing the CAPI, AML and RND something gets lost in translation with the RND. It's almost like what goes into the input comes out missing some pieces on the output or something. Its too bad cause for the price of that I built 2 of the AMLs. There's a dude on YouTube that has done some videos comparing the AML offerings. It was those videos that made me choose the 81 over the 73. To my ear, the sound of a 1073, while massive is the coloration of the mids. Yes they sound big in the bottom but me ear is always drawn to the mids. With the 1081, the mids sound a little more natural to me and the bottom sounds a little bigger. But everyone is different. I'm sure there are a lot of people reading my posts on this topic and thinking I'm deaf, haha. If you haven't seen this guys vids, check it out. Yes there is the YouTube compression but I think the differences are beyond audible despite the audio not being pristine. Here's one he did with guitar but he has others with drums and maybe some other ones. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 20:28:45 GMT -6
so ez1081 get more use over the RND 511? there is something i dont like about the Porticos and i haven't heard much from shelfords but i heard its just a beefed up portico. Your description "muscular and extended low, smoother and softer" alone makes me want to grab one. does it have more weight/heft than the 1073s? thats exactly what i seem is less color but still having body to the signal. Again faster, open, all those words are exactly what i need. trim would work for me cause i usually like to track only and getting certain color is nice before digital. im not mix engineer. i rather leave that for the pro to mix. its too much to learn for me at the moment, i rather focus my efforts in the productions. have you ever used a real 1081? i wonder how close the come to those. I am currently out of rack spaces in my 500 series and the RND is the one that sits out, always. When comparing the CAPI, AML and RND something gets lost in translation with the RND. It's almost like what goes into the input comes out missing some pieces on the output or something. Its too bad cause for the price of that I built 2 of the AMLs. There's a dude on YouTube that has done some videos comparing the AML offerings. It was those videos that made me choose the 81 over the 73. To my ear, the sound of a 1073, while massive is the coloration of the mids. Yes they sound big in the bottom but me ear is always drawn to the mids. With the 1081, the mids sound a little more natural to me and the bottom sounds a little bigger. But everyone is different. I'm sure there are a lot of people reading my posts on this topic and thinking I'm deaf, haha. If you haven't seen this guys vids, check it out. Yes there is the YouTube compression but I think the differences are beyond audible despite the audio not being pristine. Here's one he did with guitar but he has others with drums and maybe some other ones. i have seen those videos over and over lol. im pretty OCD about gear. and yes it sounded wonderful. a shootout would be nice comparing to vintage. i would of grabbed the 1081 if AML did 1u. i dont like bigger 2-3u units for my small home studio so 500 got my interest even though im not a big fan of the format, due to lowered headroom but it is what it is. |
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Post by nudwig on Apr 4, 2020 21:21:36 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 21:58:48 GMT -6
OK I never never heard a vintage. I'll take a guess anyway, I think A=vintage B=AML? |
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Post by telecastertube on Apr 5, 2020 4:13:24 GMT -6
B more punchy original 1081 (I hope not) A more "sterile" EZ1081 I would choose B |
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Post by soundintheround on Apr 5, 2020 9:20:32 GMT -6
I would say 'B' is adding more harmonic complexity and richness. I would think the original 1081 transformers and components are doing this?
'A' sounds good, but I agree a little more sterile. I would guess that one to be the AML.
With vintage units never know though between the magic ones and the duds.
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