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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:41:50 GMT -6
I been hearing about them. I very recently ordered a 73 Premier line due to good reviews but i havent opened it yet.
what's your experiences with company, reliable products? customer service? issues? how is the quality. They advertise fully discrete components and hand soldered. Is it all marketing or is it Quality products?
Any shortcomings? Are these "pro products" for the job? I know their price point is extremely affordable.. can they compete with the big dawgs clones (AML, BAE, STams, Heritage) etc etc
What got my interest in their premier line. Also have some 1081, 1073 eqs, 2254 comp as inserts with their Pres. Are these products punching above their weight/price point? or falling short?
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Post by bricejchandler on Mar 30, 2020 10:20:20 GMT -6
They're good. If on a budget they certainly will do the job. I think their Premier Line is definitely very interesting and won't stand in the way of a good performance. I don't think they're punching above their weight or falling short, I'd say they're at the right price for what you get.
Ultimately it all comes down to taste, I like AML better than BAE but BAE is way more expensive, you might like the Premier better over others it's hard to tell.
The only thing I've noticed rather consistently with the Golden Age stuff and most lower end clones for that matter is that they are often more colored than the gear they're emulating. Some stuff I've tried is on the border of caricature I find sound wise. I find most high end gear to be generally more hifi compared to cheaper clones and the color more subtle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:41:11 GMT -6
They're good. If on a budget they certainly will do the job. I think their Premier Line is definitely very interesting and won't stand in the way of a good performance. I don't think they're punching above their weight or falling short, I'd say they're at the right price for what you get. Ultimately it all comes down to taste, I like AML better than BAE but BAE is way more expensive, you might like the Premier better over others it's hard to tell. The only thing I've noticed rather consistently with the Golden Age stuff and most lower end clones for that matter is that they are often more colored than the gear they're emulating. Some stuff I've tried is on the border of caricature I find sound wise. I find most high end gear to be generally more hifi compared to cheaper clones and the color more subtle. good assessment. yea premier they claimed to use better internal components vs the cheap parts used for their project lines. from samples i heard, i did feel GAP lacked a bit of low end. i can agree on taste. same with me, i prefer the cheaper stam clones to more expensive ones. yea i wasnt sure if i wanted to keep the golden age. but i will try it, who knows, i may like it. i like the idea of modular form factor, that you can add EQs later
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 30, 2020 11:44:33 GMT -6
I've got one of their ribbon mics that I like a lot. I tried one of their La3a clones once and wasn't impressed.
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Post by drumsound on Mar 30, 2020 11:58:37 GMT -6
I'd really like to try the 2254 clones. My only experience with diode bridge comps is the McDsp model, and I freaking love that. A Nashville friend says the McDsp a pretty good representative, so I'm sure hardware would be even cooler.
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 30, 2020 12:44:12 GMT -6
Great quality, great customer service. If you can’t get the sounds you are after with the 73 preamp or the 3A, it’s not the gear. The downside? They are too affordable and they don’t use the “original” Neve knobs. Edit: there are no “cheap” parts in the regular line. It’s true that the premier line uses more “expensive” parts but they are catering to a certain audience. This is coming from a guy (me) that recently sold his 73 Pre because it didn’t look impressive enough to some clients!
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Post by bricejchandler on Mar 30, 2020 12:49:20 GMT -6
I'd really like to try the 2254 clones. My only experience with diode bridge comps is the McDsp model, and I freaking love that. A Nashville friend says the McDsp a pretty good representative, so I'm sure hardware would be even cooler. Might want to try the Vintage Design C1 if you can find one. I've seen some go for around 500 ( if you're lucky ) but it sounds really good and it's definitely that vibe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 13:13:18 GMT -6
Great quality, great customer service. If you can’t get the sounds you are after with the 73 preamp or the 3A, it’s not the gear. The downside? They are too affordable and they don’t use the “original” Neve knobs. Edit: there are no “cheap” parts in the regular line. It’s true that the premier line uses more “expensive” parts but they are catering to a certain audience. This is coming from a guy (me) that recently sold his 73 Pre because it didn’t look impressive enough to some clients! Man who care about knobs as long the hardware can deliever sonic results. Even it came without a paint job, or housed In a tin can 🥫 the beauty lies on the inside lol.. What did u compare it too btw if anything? Good to know customer service and reliability is there. In that case I will keep the 73 to try out since my stam is on backorder. I need something now. I want to make sure it's the best quality (regardless of price) , not just a budget alternative
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 13:16:06 GMT -6
I'd really like to try the 2254 clones. My only experience with diode bridge comps is the McDsp model, and I freaking love that. A Nashville friend says the McDsp a pretty good representative, so I'm sure hardware would be even cooler. Yes the 2254 looks very interesting. I wonder how it competes with Aml 2254. If Im not mistaking all these units will come out with premier versions from last time I exchanged emails with them.. Another one looks interesting is the 81eq. Same i rather get the premium
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Post by bricejchandler on Mar 30, 2020 13:20:35 GMT -6
I'd really like to try the 2254 clones. My only experience with diode bridge comps is the McDsp model, and I freaking love that. A Nashville friend says the McDsp a pretty good representative, so I'm sure hardware would be even cooler. Yes the 2254 looks very interesting. I wonder how it competes with Aml 2254. If Im not mistaking all these units will come out with premier versions from last time I exchanged emails with them.. Another one looks interesting is the 81eq. Same i rather get the premium I can't imagine it comes close to the AML , the AML is amazing.
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 30, 2020 13:58:29 GMT -6
I sometimes used it in place of my Tree Audio The Branch II, for vocals and for acoustic guitar. I think that's a pretty good endorsement. Or maybe I'm just crazy! Really, I hope the Heritage TT-73 that will replace it will be that elusive extra 5% better. To reiterate, I decided to "upgrade" because I wasn't using the EQ on the way in, and mostly so customers see something they don't own. Plus, it sometimes felt "wrong" to plug a U67 or KM84 into such an inexpensive preamp. Oh, I'm so vain
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Post by bricejchandler on Mar 30, 2020 14:01:39 GMT -6
I sometimes used it in place of my Tree Audio The Branch II, for vocals and for acoustic guitar. I think that's a pretty good endorsement. Or maybe I'm just crazy! Really, I hope the Heritage TT-73 that will replace it will be that elusive extra 5% better. To reiterate, I decided to "upgrade" because I wasn't using the EQ on the way in, and mostly so customers see something they don't own. Plus, it sometimes felt "wrong" to plug a U67 or KM84 into such an inexpensive preamp. Oh, I'm so vain Which version did you have?
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Post by sean on Mar 30, 2020 14:06:58 GMT -6
I'd really like to try the 2254 clones. My only experience with diode bridge comps is the McDsp model, and I freaking love that. A Nashville friend says the McDsp a pretty good representative, so I'm sure hardware would be even cooler. Might want to try the Vintage Design C1 if you can find one. I've seen some go for around 500 ( if you're lucky ) but it sounds really good and it's definitely that vibe. If you see one of those for even $1000 let me know
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 30, 2020 14:19:15 GMT -6
Pre 73 MkIII and they I did the Carnhill upgrade, which made a small but noticeable improvement in the low end. Plus I got the EQ module to have the complete circuit. The EQ was cool but I've come to realize I don't like to EQ on the way in.
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Post by bricejchandler on Mar 30, 2020 14:20:30 GMT -6
Might want to try the Vintage Design C1 if you can find one. I've seen some go for around 500 ( if you're lucky ) but it sounds really good and it's definitely that vibe. If you see one of those for even $1000 let me know I've seen 3 go for 500-550€ over here in the last year.
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Post by bricejchandler on Mar 30, 2020 14:21:43 GMT -6
Pre 73 MkIII and they I did the Carnhill upgrade, which made a small but noticeable improvement in the low end. Plus I got the EQ module to have the complete circuit. The EQ was cool but I've come to realize I don't like to EQ on the way in. Cool, it'll be interesting to know how much of an upgrade the Heritage'll be
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 14:23:14 GMT -6
Pre 73 MkIII and they I did the Carnhill upgrade, which made a small but noticeable improvement in the low end. Plus I got the EQ module to have the complete circuit. The EQ was cool but I've come to realize I don't like to EQ on the way in. It was the Gap insert eq right? wss it 73 or 81? Just curious Did it change ur sound in anyway by having the eq inserted after the pre? Or is it negligible
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 30, 2020 14:23:35 GMT -6
Unfortunately I won't be able to test them side by side, sold the kit to partially fund the Heritage. But I "know" the sound.
About the EQ: I got the 73 one and inserted it. I kept it in the circuit just out of respect for the hearsay that it's only a complete 73 if it's got the EQ. It performed as advertised. One thing though, the inductors in the EQ are sensitive to EMI, so it had to be carefully placed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 14:26:49 GMT -6
I sometimes used it in place of my Tree Audio The Branch II, for vocals and for acoustic guitar. I think that's a pretty good endorsement. Or maybe I'm just crazy! Really, I hope the Heritage TT-73 that will replace it will be that elusive extra 5% better. To reiterate, I decided to "upgrade" because I wasn't using the EQ on the way in, and mostly so customers see something they don't own. Plus, it sometimes felt "wrong" to plug a U67 or KM84 into such an inexpensive preamp. Oh, I'm so vain high endorsement it is. I take it thrr is no audible upgrade from gap to heritage? I'm trying to save some money too if thats the case. U67 is a legendary mic, it's like using Honda exhaust on a lambi Lol if it works it works, f* it 😁 Unfortunately I won't be able to test them side by side, sold the kit to partially fund the Heritage. But I "know" the sound. About the EQ: I got the 73 one and inserted it. I kept it in the circuit just out of respect for the hearsay that it's only a complete 73 if it's got the EQ. It performed as advertised. One thing though, the inductors in the EQ are sensitive to EMI, so it had to be carefully placed. So the claim that 73 pre sounds better with eq is a valid one? I been always curious about that too since I have stam dual 73 (no eq) on back order, Not 73eq Why the EMI issues you think? Is it a Design flaw?
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Post by sean on Mar 30, 2020 15:02:28 GMT -6
If you see one of those for even $1000 let me know I've seen 3 go for 500-550€ over here in the last year. Wow those are great pieces. Expensive over here in the states. Where are you finding them for sale for that?
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Post by bricejchandler on Mar 30, 2020 15:18:00 GMT -6
I've seen 3 go for 500-550€ over here in the last year. Wow those are great pieces. Expensive over here in the states. Where are you finding them for sale for that? looking around on a lot of EU music forums, even saw one go for a little over 500 on Reverb. Reverb has really pushed prices up but there are still good deals to be had. With all the big studios closing right left and center I've seen a lot of good deals. I could make a nice living just buying stuff cheap and selling for twice the price on Reverb!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 16:33:18 GMT -6
They're good. If on a budget they certainly will do the job. I think their Premier Line is definitely very interesting and won't stand in the way of a good performance. I don't think they're punching above their weight or falling short, I'd say they're at the right price for what you get. Ultimately it all comes down to taste, I like AML better than BAE but BAE is way more expensive, you might like the Premier better over others it's hard to tell. The only thing I've noticed rather consistently with the Golden Age stuff and most lower end clones for that matter is that they are often more colored than the gear they're emulating. Some stuff I've tried is on the border of caricature I find sound wise. I find most high end gear to be generally more hifi compared to cheaper clones and the color more subtle. Caricature is a perfect description. A lot of them to me sound like hardware made from a Slate or IK "emulation" of a piece of equipment rather than a 1:1 clone. I feel that way about most of the cheaper clones too. Warm, Golden Age, Behringer Klark Technics, most SSL bus compressor clones (even many of the expensive ones screw up the GR detector circuit), China made UA pres, and current Focusrite ISA which is basically a Chinese clone with the Focusrite branding. I'd rather use a good affordable pre. Something on the level of the FMR RNP or better software emulations. I had bad experiences with some Warm gear.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 30, 2020 16:44:31 GMT -6
Great quality, great customer service. If you can’t get the sounds you are after with the 73 preamp or the 3A, it’s not the gear. The downside? They are too affordable and they don’t use the “original” Neve knobs. Edit: there are no “cheap” parts in the regular line. It’s true that the premier line uses more “expensive” parts but they are catering to a certain audience. This is coming from a guy (me) that recently sold his 73 Pre because it didn’t look impressive enough to some clients! You should have painted it all GREEN. Because the Meek Shall inherit the berth-19" that is. Got you all beat... U195>Presonus Audiobox! Chris
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 16:48:17 GMT -6
Also the transformers are the parts of these that can't be substituted or muntzed (what Focusrite did). But the cheap clones almost always get rid of them or use a cheaper one because they're by far the most expensive parts. There's a massive difference between good transformers and bad transformers. Silk measured a few output transformers here: www.sacthailand.com/Transformer_TestOutput.htmlHammonds actually sound like that.
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 30, 2020 17:12:45 GMT -6
@gearlust I think the importance of the EQ has been magnified. No design flaw, just that inductors are susceptible to interference.
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