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Post by svart on Mar 31, 2020 11:58:00 GMT -6
I like 1 better if I had a gun to my head. Ever so slightly more top end. I don't really hear that big a difference though, and I would have guessed they were the same mic for the most part if you hadn't said they were different.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 12:00:54 GMT -6
Things I like about both, but overall I think #2 is the most balanced. Then again, adding a little bit of top end to 1 and that would bring them closer together. It's certainly not night and day or anything. I could just hear the detail in the snare drum a little better on #2.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Mar 31, 2020 12:03:36 GMT -6
#1
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Post by EmRR on Mar 31, 2020 15:33:10 GMT -6
Tried to EQ match 1 to 2, for me it gets pretty close with:
HPF 6dB/oct 45Hz 80Hz shelf +0.8dB 5.9kHz +0.75dB Q 0.83 4.7kHz shelf +0.4dB LPF 6dB/oct 14.7kHz
Harmonic content still sits differently, where the sense of punch lives in regards to frequency.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 31, 2020 21:52:44 GMT -6
#1 is the MK47
#2 is the U47
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 1, 2020 2:50:23 GMT -6
#1 is the MK47 #2 is the U47 That's what I thought. There's just that extra something in the mids/hi mids that I can't seem to find in any of the clones. I wonder too, if the original is lacking a bit of bass because of the age of the capsule, it would've been interesting to hear the heads swapped! Thiersh capsules always sound a bit cleaner compared to the Neumann equivalents, tbh I'm no tech guy so I don't know how much of that is due just to age. A studio I work at has 2 original 87s, one reskinned and the other with the original capsule and the Thiersh sounds quite different, I personally tend to gravitate towards the OG, some other engineers towards the Thiersh. Anyway thanks a lot for this test!
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Post by EmRR on Apr 1, 2020 7:54:16 GMT -6
After trying the eq test, I think if I had the U47 in hand I could make a much close match through preamp selection. Something like an RCA BA-2 for the mk and a Sytek for the u. Or similar idea.
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Post by craigmorris74 on Apr 1, 2020 8:16:32 GMT -6
My hypothesis, based on what I've heard with similar transformers, is that the new transformer will tighten up the low end of the MK47. Would love to hear a before and after of that!
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Post by EmRR on Apr 1, 2020 9:18:51 GMT -6
My hypothesis, based on what I've heard with similar transformers, is that the new transformer will tighten up the low end of the MK47. Would love to hear a before and after of that! Yeah, once I get to that I need to make before/after samples. That pesky Euro 'M' type threaded hardware is the holdup, have to order it for this and several other Neumann jobs.
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Post by christopher on Apr 1, 2020 10:36:48 GMT -6
Tried to EQ match 1 to 2, for me it gets pretty close with: HPF 6dB/oct 45Hz 80Hz shelf +0.8dB 5.9kHz +0.75dB Q 0.83 4.7kHz shelf +0.4dB LPF 6dB/oct 14.7kHz Harmonic content still sits differently, where the sense of punch lives in regards to frequency. Thanks for sharing! Very educational. I tried the EQ you suggested, using laptop so I'm really hearing the highs. It does get really close, I ended up swapping the LPF for a high shelf. I played around with some more EQ in the midrange, the 47 is doing something that makes me perfectly visualize the ride cymbal, the brass color of it, the shiny polish. When I try EQing the MK, much like with my Rode, my visualization of the cymbals comes out sounding like thick steel or harsh tin or other metals. That's an exaggeration of course, but I'm not sure how else to explain it. It could be just making the right gentle EQ moves will dial it in all the way. Or the right chain. I do enjoy the overall warm vibe on the MK though.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 1, 2020 12:25:02 GMT -6
I played around with some more EQ in the midrange, the 47 is doing something that makes me perfectly visualize the ride cymbal, the brass color of it, the shiny polish. When I try EQing the MK, much like with my Rode, my visualization of the cymbals comes out sounding like thick steel or harsh tin or other metals. That's an exaggeration of course, but I'm not sure how else to explain it.. Yes! That sense of the stick ping on the cymbal is a major difference. I spent a little time moving a narrow boost around looking for it with limited success. I take that to be a nonlinearity in the U which does something we like.
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 1, 2020 14:31:20 GMT -6
I played around with some more EQ in the midrange, the 47 is doing something that makes me perfectly visualize the ride cymbal, the brass color of it, the shiny polish. When I try EQing the MK, much like with my Rode, my visualization of the cymbals comes out sounding like thick steel or harsh tin or other metals. That's an exaggeration of course, but I'm not sure how else to explain it.. Yes! That sense of the stick ping on the cymbal is a major difference. I spent a little time moving a narrow boost around looking for it with limited success. I take that to be a nonlinearity in the U which does something we like. Yeah that's where I really struggled. I was actually able to get close with fabfilter matching eq and then some multiband comp to get the low end thumping but couldn't get those smooth yet really pushed hi mids.
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