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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 0:17:31 GMT -6
i was going to spend some money to get one of their strips but after watching this video im extremely disappointed. at 25:28 mark, the guy shows how poorly its made. also heard their conditioners are glorified power strips but i didnt want to believe it but after watching this video, it seems likely
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Mar 28, 2020 4:20:48 GMT -6
Yes they are basically a waste of money....unless you want a rackmount power strip with lights. I which case they are not too bad for the price.
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Post by swafford on Mar 28, 2020 5:42:27 GMT -6
I don't know. It makes my lunch and takes the dog out.
AND TAKES THE DOG OUT!
I don't get the hate.
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Post by mulmany on Mar 28, 2020 6:30:36 GMT -6
Unless you are willing to spend good money they are all just outlets.
At one time I opened a high end Panamax unit and it was comprised of Furman, CyberPower, and Panamax PCB's. Remember they are all made in the same factory or one company owns all the competing brands in the different markets.
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Post by levon on Mar 28, 2020 6:32:27 GMT -6
I have a few of their rackmounted powerstrips. They work and have never given me any trouble. They are not expensive and reliable. What more do you want?
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 28, 2020 7:07:21 GMT -6
Real power conditioners cost serous dough. I’m fine with a glorified power strip. That’s all I really need anyway! I have the Furman stuff as well as an older 2012 Monster Power thing. 2u with the digital voltage meter on the front. Serving me well!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 7:39:36 GMT -6
Unless you are willing to spend good money they are all just outlets. At one time I opened a high end Panamax unit and it was comprised of Furman, CyberPower, and Panamax PCB's. Remember they are all made in the same factory or one company owns all the competing brands in the different markets. Thats very interesting |
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Post by Chad on Mar 28, 2020 8:06:04 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 9:53:05 GMT -6
It's huge and heavy duty. Why does it have hum/noise? Poor shielding? The customer reviews on Amazon look favorable. I actually need a solution for my equipment. I just Been using regular power strips |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 9:55:15 GMT -6
I don't know. It makes my lunch and takes the dog out. AND TAKES THE DOG OUT! I don't get the hate. Not trying to hate. Just want to make sure we're getting a product that's worth it's asking price. From the video it sure doesn't seem that way |
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Post by brenta on Mar 28, 2020 13:02:27 GMT -6
Depends what you’re looking for it to do. Do you just need surge protection? Or are you looking for it to solve a noise problem in your studio? Or do you just want an easy way to power and power down your studio with some rack lights?
Almost all the Furmans won’t do anything for noise but they should provide some surge protection.
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Post by matt on Mar 28, 2020 13:58:03 GMT -6
Watched the entire video. It contains a significant level of guessing about parts, functionality, etc and there is no systematic method of testing or circuit analysis undertaken to determine whether manufacturer claims are valid. The tone of the reviewer is sarcastic, dismissive, suggesting an agenda other than conducting a fact-based, objective product assessment. Five or so people left comments calling the review out, while others accept the conclusions and label the Furman "junk" (as you have, albeit with a question mark), and that they would never buy one based on this video. I guess it's a by-product of the age we live in- post a video, pose as an expert, become an influencer.
I own both the Belkin and Furman power strips covered in this "review". They have performed flawlessly for years in my studio, and I expect them to function for many more. Are they worth the price? Only the buyer can judge. But, I can recommend both products based on my own personal experience. However, I'm no expert, and as always- caveat emptor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 14:57:13 GMT -6
Those 6 plug metal strips are tanks with super long cords. Tripplites with better screwed in plugs have broken but those are cheap on sale and remain in use for me. They can handle road and gig abuse. They can handle being thrown around in a van. I will be replacing mine with the new Furman 6 SSB Pro as they break. Why change?
The Furman rack mount CONDITIONERS are expensive but some people might need them with poor power. They might solve problems. For most people with modern gear they are just overpriced rack mount strips but for some they solve problems. The real deal stuff is the voltage regulators, some of which can be had cheaply on sale. The voltage regulators from Furman and Tripplite solve a ton of power problems in project and home studios that do not need full power renegeration. Some places need power regeneration. Some studios in locations with frequent outages will definitely need voltage regulation or power regeneration to run off a generator. Not every piece of gear has modern regulated switching mode power supply. Those can be very expensive. And that power supply might not have a ground lift. |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 28, 2020 17:50:44 GMT -6
I don't know. It makes my lunch and takes the dog out. AND TAKES THE DOG OUT! I don't get the hate. It didn't let the dog out until AFTER he pooped on the kitchen floor!
Why don't people like Furbrained power strips? Well, maybe because they don't do the job they claim to do?
They're not even very good terminal strips. IIRC they just have a couple of MOVs inside - no LC filters, no iso transformer, no regulation circuitry, nothing. And if I'm not mistaken they don't even have warning lights to tell you when the MOVs have blown.
But the lights CAN be handy. Unfortunately they don't do squat to protect your gear.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 28, 2020 17:57:31 GMT -6
I have a few of their rackmounted powerstrips. They work and have never given me any trouble. They are not expensive and reliable. What more do you want? If they're sold as power strips, not much. However if they claim to be "conditioners", which they are often sold as, I expect them to condition. And they don't. |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 28, 2020 18:01:45 GMT -6
Those 6 plug metal strips are tanks with super long cords. Tripplites with better screwed in plugs have broken but those are cheap on sale and remain in use for me. They can handle road and gig abuse. They can handle being thrown around in a van. I will be replacing mine with the new Furman 6 SSB Pro as they break. Why change?
The Furman rack mount CONDITIONERS are expensive but some people might need them with poor power. They might solve problems. For most people with modern gear they are just overpriced rack mount strips but for some they solve problems. The real deal stuff is the voltage regulators, some of which can be had cheaply on sale. The voltage regulators from Furman and Tripplite solve a ton of power problems in project and home studios that do not need full power renegeration. Some places need power regeneration. Some studios in locations with frequent outages will definitely need voltage regulation or power regeneration to run off a generator. Not every piece of gear has modern regulated switching mode power supply. Those can be very expensive. And that power supply might not have a ground lift. Tripplite makes some good stuff, much better than Furman. The one in my studio is a professional class conditioner/regulator from APC. It wasn't cheap, but we really needed it in my old place because we were over a deli with BIG coolers and every time the coolers would kick the drain on the building power caused a serious brownout that would cause the onboard automation computer in my console to reboot the board. |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 28, 2020 18:22:04 GMT -6
It's huge and heavy duty. Why does it have hum/noise? Poor shielding? The customer reviews on Amazon look favorable. I actually need a solution for my equipment. I just Been using regular power strips My guess is that the hum is mechanical, not electronic, and is caused by the powerful magnetic field from the transformer causing some ferromagnetic parts to vibrate. It might even be slightly loose laminations in the transformer itself. |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 28, 2020 18:43:01 GMT -6
Depends what you’re looking for it to do. Do you just need surge protection? Or are you looking for it to solve a noise problem in your studio? Or do you just want an easy way to power and power down your studio with some rack lights? Almost all the Furmans won’t do anything for noise but they should provide some surge protection. MOV based "surge protectors" just build false confidence unless they have warning lights that tell you when the MOVs blow. MOV stands for "Metal Oxide Varistor" - they're resistors whose resistance varies with voltage. at spec'd voltage the resistance is high but as voltage goes up beyond a specified point the resistance goes down and the device starts to conduct, shunting the abnormally high voltage to ground. Ther problem is that when hit with a sufficiently hard spike the MOV not only conducts, it burns out, after which it no longer conducts or provides protection. The power strip still functions "normally" but the protection is shot. The vast majority of surge protectors use MOVs but lack indicators to let you know when the MOVs blow.
MOVs also wear out over time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 18:45:28 GMT -6
Those 6 plug metal strips are tanks with super long cords. Tripplites with better screwed in plugs have broken but those are cheap on sale and remain in use for me. They can handle road and gig abuse. They can handle being thrown around in a van. I will be replacing mine with the new Furman 6 SSB Pro as they break. Why change?
The Furman rack mount CONDITIONERS are expensive but some people might need them with poor power. They might solve problems. For most people with modern gear they are just overpriced rack mount strips but for some they solve problems. The real deal stuff is the voltage regulators, some of which can be had cheaply on sale. The voltage regulators from Furman and Tripplite solve a ton of power problems in project and home studios that do not need full power renegeration. Some places need power regeneration. Some studios in locations with frequent outages will definitely need voltage regulation or power regeneration to run off a generator. Not every piece of gear has modern regulated switching mode power supply. Those can be very expensive. And that power supply might not have a ground lift. Tripplite makes some good stuff, much better than Furman. The one in my studio is a professional class conditioner/regulator from APC. It wasn't cheap, but we really needed it in my old place because we were over a deli with BIG coolers and every time the coolers would kick the drain on the building power caused a serious brownout that would cause the onboard automation computer in my console to reboot the board. APC is great. My other strips and battery back up power supplies are from them. I only use the 6SS from Furman. |
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Post by brenta on Mar 28, 2020 19:05:58 GMT -6
Depends what you’re looking for it to do. Do you just need surge protection? Or are you looking for it to solve a noise problem in your studio? Or do you just want an easy way to power and power down your studio with some rack lights? Almost all the Furmans won’t do anything for noise but they should provide some surge protection. MOV based "surge protectors" just build false confidence unless they have warning lights that tell you when the MOVs blow. MOV stands for "Metal Oxide Varistor" - they're resistors whose resistance varies with voltage. at spec'd voltage the resistance is high but as voltage goes up beyond a specified point the resistance goes down and the device starts to conduct, shunting the abnormally high voltage to ground. Ther problem is that when hit with a sufficiently hard spike the MOV not only conducts, it burns out, after which it no longer conducts or provides protection. The power strip still functions "normally" but the protection is shot. The vast majority of surge protectors use MOVs but lack indicators to let you know when the MOVs blow.
MOVs also wear out over time.
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 28, 2020 23:38:27 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 1:07:35 GMT -6
that looks pretty convenient with on/off per channel. i need something for mysetup asap.. |
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Post by sirthought on Mar 29, 2020 2:54:09 GMT -6
As a marketing guy for a big Pro A/V company, I am not directly designing systems, but I know that most of the rack power solutions we design into jobs is usually Furman or Middle Atlantic. Sometimes cost was a factor, but seeing that our reputation was on the line for the money we charge clients, I'd say we were confident recommending the Furman gear be used. These installs were recording studios, major sports venues, theaters, conference rooms. Anywhere high-end audio and video systems were installed.
Every company makes some crap to meet a low price point. But if you're trying to step up from an average power strip for rack gear in your studio, you can count on the Furman stuff to do a decent job. Surge protection and conditioning are really different things.
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Post by levon on Mar 29, 2020 7:59:29 GMT -6
I have a few of their rackmounted powerstrips. They work and have never given me any trouble. They are not expensive and reliable. What more do you want? If they're sold as power strips, not much. However if they claim to be "conditioners", which they are often sold as, I expect them to condition. And they don't. Mine were sold as powerstrips. If I was looking for a conditioner, I wouldn't buy a $100 powerstrip. Serious conditioners cost serious money. |
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Post by drbill on Mar 29, 2020 10:13:15 GMT -6
Those 6 plug metal strips are tanks with super long cords. Tripplites with better screwed in plugs have broken but those are cheap on sale and remain in use for me. They can handle road and gig abuse. They can handle being thrown around in a van. I will be replacing mine with the new Furman 6 SSB Pro as they break. Why change?
The Furman rack mount CONDITIONERS are expensive but some people might need them with poor power. They might solve problems. For most people with modern gear they are just overpriced rack mount strips but for some they solve problems. The real deal stuff is the voltage regulators, some of which can be had cheaply on sale. The voltage regulators from Furman and Tripplite solve a ton of power problems in project and home studios that do not need full power renegeration. Some places need power regeneration. Some studios in locations with frequent outages will definitely need voltage regulation or power regeneration to run off a generator. Not every piece of gear has modern regulated switching mode power supply. Those can be very expensive. And that power supply might not have a ground lift. Tripplite makes some good stuff, much better than Furman. The one in my studio is a professional class conditioner/regulator from APC. It wasn't cheap, but we really needed it in my old place because we were over a deli with BIG coolers and every time the coolers would kick the drain on the building power caused a serious brownout that would cause the onboard automation computer in my console to reboot the board. Yeah, but being over a deli makes it all worthwhile, right? |
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