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Post by chessparov on May 20, 2020 22:21:34 GMT -6
Agree, except both sounded A-1 to me. On the second clip, IMHO keep the "edginess". Been studying Sinatra's "Torch Songs" (and singing along)... Came to the conclusion, it was mostly (or entirely) deliberate to do this. Starting with his "Comeback" at Capitol. One more dimension of expression, along with the tonal Chiaroscuro. Chiaroscuro is not to be confused with the "Chia Pet". Nor Maria del Rosario Mercedes Pilar Martinez Molina Baeza. (whew!) AKA "Charo". Although I could use some Chianti, after typing her full name. Chris
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Post by mike on May 21, 2020 16:49:54 GMT -6
Great news Mike. Post some tracks when you can. Ok, I had someone else ask too,.... So while I've been mostly using headphones working on Christmas backing tracks these days and not tracking vocals since my wife is now working her command center at home above me for awhile. When my SA67 came I did this 1 vocal take through it over this simple arrangement I had started working on. I really like the SA67 and found that for my voice adding a little bit of top shelf like I did on the track below brought it out nicely which is just as several people had said in a older 67 thread, that adding a little bit of top shelf to a Vintage un-modded 67 typically brought out the best bloom in the mic.
The other thing I notice is how well this mic takes EQ. I haven't really compared that aspect to my other mic's but wouldn't be surprised if it has a wider range of ability doing that than any of my other mic's. I'm still getting to know my SA67, but think Josh and Tim did a great job and this was well worth the wait for me. This SA67 on the track below is going through a Stam 1073EQ (Sowter) with the EQ Off so it only used the preamp. I went a little easy on the verb with some pre-delay so you could hear the mic more easily, so it's a little dry. The Hi-Z button on that pre was out also which I think may mean the mic was at 300 ohms instead of 1200
https%3A//soundcloud.com/michael-schroeder-11/oh-come-all-ye-faithful-r2thursday
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Post by reddirt on May 21, 2020 19:32:33 GMT -6
Nice work Mike and Mic; great arrangment/ performance and sound, the mic is right in the ball park. What are you using for strings?
Thanks for that .Cheers, Ross
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Post by chessparov on May 21, 2020 20:01:40 GMT -6
This is an impressive recording too. Guessing no de-essing? ("ess-wise" sounded great too) Thanks, Chris
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 21, 2020 20:37:06 GMT -6
Sounds great Mike, well done! The SA67 suits you beautifully.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 22, 2020 3:52:36 GMT -6
Yup sounds great !
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Post by mike on May 22, 2020 8:12:27 GMT -6
Nice work Mike and Mic; great arrangment/ performance and sound, the mic is right in the ball park. What are you using for strings? Thanks for that .Cheers, Ross
Thanks Ross, Though I sometimes use multiple VI's of different flavors layered when doing strings, I had just started the song and only had 1 track of NI session strings pro 2 on the clip so far. Thanks, Mike
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Post by mike on May 22, 2020 8:16:12 GMT -6
This is an impressive recording too. Guessing no de-essing? ("ess-wise" sounded great too) Thanks, Chris
Thanks Chris, that is correct, I did not use a de-eeser on the vocals or clip. Thanks, Mike
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Post by Ward on May 22, 2020 10:05:21 GMT -6
Really nice work Martin John Butler and mike. I love the detailed Americana singing. Reminds me of all the throaty detail from the late Tom Petty and early Tony Rice alike. Now as for the microphone, I'd like to categorize it as a U67ai if that existed because it sounds 'like' a U67 but has a modern edge to it. Like a presence switch was engaged. That is a very very clever improvement/mod, stam! Anyone else hearing that? I don't mind being the odd man out. But maybe someone else hears what I'm hearing?
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Post by mike on May 22, 2020 11:20:09 GMT -6
Really nice work Martin John Butler and mike . I love the detailed Americana singing. Reminds me of all the throaty detail from the late Tom Petty and early Tony Rice alike. Now as for the microphone, I'd like to categorize it as a U67ai if that existed because it sounds 'like' a U67 but has a modern edge to it. Like a presence switch was engaged. That is a very very clever improvement/mod, stam ! Anyone else hearing that? I don't mind being the odd man out. But maybe someone else hears what I'm hearing? Thanks Ward. As for the microphone, I respectfully don't agree as I think you're forgetting in my clip post I mentioned, that I added a little top EQ shelf to my vocal and what I think you're hearing. I tend to like a little edge in there. Some people subjectively like that, and others don't. It's all good to me. While I've never sang through a vintage 67, I have sang through and been able to compare audio of the 67 reissue (with a stock tube) to my SA67 and I can promise you a modern edge/presence switch description of the SA67 is not accurate IMO. I found the two mic's on par with subtle difference but very comparable. My understanding is Josh had multiple vintage 67's and they chose to match the SA67 to the best sounding one.
From an older thread on 67's there were multiple people who said that good Vintage un-modded 67's are not a bright mic and often benefit from a small high shelf to bring the mic out to bloom nicely and that was more preferable than having to tame a bright mic, and that Vintage 67's took eq beautifully to where you wanted to go, which is just how the SA67 strikes me so far. Those thread comments popped back in my head after what I was hearing through the mic and along with my preference for a little more edge led me to add a little high shelf to that clip. My guess as I get to know this mic, is Josh did a very good job of matching his best sounding vintage 67
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Post by Ward on May 22, 2020 12:27:53 GMT -6
Really nice work Martin John Butler and mike . I love the detailed Americana singing. Reminds me of all the throaty detail from the late Tom Petty and early Tony Rice alike. Now as for the microphone, I'd like to categorize it as a U67ai if that existed because it sounds 'like' a U67 but has a modern edge to it. Like a presence switch was engaged. That is a very very clever improvement/mod, stam ! Anyone else hearing that? I don't mind being the odd man out. But maybe someone else hears what I'm hearing? Thanks Ward. As for the microphone, I respectfully don't agree as I think you're forgetting in my clip post I mentioned, that I added a little top EQ shelf to my vocal and what I think you're hearing. I tend to like a little edge in there. Some people subjectively like that, and others don't. It's all good to me. While I've never sang through a vintage 67, I have sang through and been able to compare audio of the 67 reissue (with a stock tube) to my SA67 and I can promise you a modern edge/presence switch description of the SA67 is not accurate IMO. I found the two mic's on par with subtle difference but very comparable. My understanding is Josh had multiple vintage 67's and they chose to match the SA67 to the best sounding one.
From an older thread on 67's there were multiple people who said that good Vintage un-modded 67's are not a bright mic and often benefit from a small high shelf to bring the mic out to bloom nicely and that was more preferable than having to tame a bright mic, and that Vintage 67's took eq beautifully to where you wanted to go, which is just how the SA67 strikes me so far. Those thread comments popped back in my head after what I was hearing through the mic and along with my preference for a little more edge led me to add a little high shelf to that clip. My guess as I get to know this mic, is Josh did a very good job of matching his best sounding vintage 67
I see. Well, a presence switch or something along the lines of a 67ai might be a good idea then.
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Post by chessparov on May 22, 2020 12:41:04 GMT -6
Interesting suggestion! Kind of the opposite of the FAT switch, on the Soundelux microphones. I do "hear" what you're saying Ward. The STAM (to my ear) has the "singer is right there" quality to it. (Hmm... I bet Classical singers would dig this mic too) The two "good" (out of three) U67 RI's I sang/tried at NAMM the last two years had a teeny bit more Vintage "pillow softness" to them. You'd have to EQ them, to get the SA-67's "as is" clarity-I think. Certainly, just a few times on a 67 Reissue doesn't make me any kind of an authority. But a little exposure, helps me understand this better. In any event, this is one serious Hombre of a vocal mic. Congrats Joshua and Tim C.! Chris
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 22, 2020 13:43:21 GMT -6
I'm a little in-between where Ward and Mike are. The SA67 has the attack, (I call honk) that a vintage 67 has, it also has that natural compression and definitely is not adding any extra sibilance. One thing that tells me how good it is, is that highs are not being sacrificed to prevent sibilance, it just isn't sibilant, just like vintage U47's and U67's. That also tells me the capsule is right.
There is a bit of a presence, it feels like high energy when singing. It helps me to sing better because low level detail is there, so you can sing softly and it will still be articulate and heard in a busy mix. For lack of a more technical term, this thing has balls. The Chandler redd and the vintage U67 I tried at the Barbershop Studios with Jeremy Gillespie had it too.
That's some rare company for a mic to keep.
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Post by peterhess on May 22, 2020 20:05:25 GMT -6
I’m, among other things, a clarinetist: recently in a (seriously great) studio I had the common setup for solo reeds in better NYC studios, a ribbon and condenser, bottom to top, blended to taste, often using the condenser for the top end. Common to have, say, a 44 and an 87, or a Royer and a 414. At this session, though, it was a 4038 and a vintage 67, and the results were extraordinary. Through an API desk, which was interesting... the smooth top of the mics was balanced in a beautiful way with the forward sounding channel. My chain at home, for high clarinets and saxophones, is AA47 over 4038-> AML 1081/Skulptor 73eq. But when this Stam 67 arrives, first thing I’m going to do is run both those mics to UA Unison API Vision channels, to try to recreate that sound. Granted, it’s a glorious room where that session was (Oktaven, Mt Vernon NY). I usually don’t get into the Unison pres, having some nice variety to choose from, but that combination was heavy wow.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 22, 2020 20:50:51 GMT -6
Let us know how it all works out when you get yours Peter.
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Post by stam on May 23, 2020 10:10:13 GMT -6
Really nice work Martin John Butler and mike . I love the detailed Americana singing. Reminds me of all the throaty detail from the late Tom Petty and early Tony Rice alike. Now as for the microphone, I'd like to categorize it as a U67ai if that existed because it sounds 'like' a U67 but has a modern edge to it. Like a presence switch was engaged. That is a very very clever improvement/mod, stam ! Anyone else hearing that? I don't mind being the odd man out. But maybe someone else hears what I'm hearing? Thanks Ward but no clever improvement or mod was made. I can't take credit for something I didn't do. I just matched my vintage 67's within 0.2dB, it was a crazy and hard task but that's my job.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 23, 2020 11:06:42 GMT -6
It's working for me ;-)
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Post by stam on May 24, 2020 3:55:08 GMT -6
Great news Mike. Post some tracks when you can. Ok, I had someone else ask too,.... So while I've been mostly using headphones working on Christmas backing tracks these days and not tracking vocals since my wife is now working her command center at home above me for awhile. When my SA67 came I did this 1 vocal take through it over this simple arrangement I had started working on. I really like the SA67 and found that for my voice adding a little bit of top shelf like I did on the track below brought it out nicely which is just as several people had said in a older 67 thread, that adding a little bit of top shelf to a Vintage un-modded 67 typically brought out the best bloom in the mic.
The other thing I notice is how well this mic takes EQ. I haven't really compared that aspect to my other mic's but wouldn't be surprised if it has a wider range of ability doing that than any of my other mic's. I'm still getting to know my SA67, but think Josh and Tim did a great job and this was well worth the wait for me. This SA67 on the track below is going through a Stam 1073EQ (Sowter) with the EQ Off so it only used the preamp. I went a little easy on the verb with some pre-delay so you could hear the mic more easily, so it's a little dry. The Hi-Z button on that pre was out also which I think may mean the mic was at 300 ohms instead of 1200
https%3A//soundcloud.com/michael-schroeder-11/oh-come-all-ye-faithful-r2thursday
Hi Mike, I forgot to thank you for the clip and congratulate you on the performance, very kind of you to post this. I think the SA67 sold out for a while (might have just one left after delivering reserved units). I am happy that you are happy I wish you a good Sunday,stay safe J
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Post by mike on May 24, 2020 17:00:08 GMT -6
Hi Mike, I forgot to thank you for the clip and congratulate you on the performance, very kind of you to post this. I think the SA67 sold out for a while (might have just one left after delivering reserved units). I am happy that you are happy I wish you a good Sunday,stay safe J Thanks for the kind words Josh I appreciate it, and you too, your SA67 sounds great! This is a lot of mic for the money for sure. Stay safe and keep up the great work! Thanks! Mike
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 25, 2020 10:15:36 GMT -6
I just heard some files comparing a Neumann U67 reissue to the SA67 both using two different preamps. So there were 4 tracks of song 1, and 4 tracks of song 2.
On the first 4, I chose "mic D", on the 2nd four I chose mic D again, not knowing their order. I mentioned that mic A was very good quality and might sit in a track well, but I had to go with D which was even better, with a slightly fuller low end and with basically the same great qualities in the mids and the highs.
Mic D was the SA67, Mic A was the Neumann reissue. It was blind, so there it is.
I'll be comparing the SA67 to Vincent's Max Mod 67 soon.
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Post by soundintheround on May 25, 2020 12:18:30 GMT -6
I just heard some files comparing a Neumann U67 reissue to the SA67 both using two different preamps. So there were 4 tracks of song 1, and 4 tracks of song 2. On the first 4, I chose "mic D", on the 2nd four I chose mic D again, not knowing their order. I mentioned that mic A was very good quality and might sit in a track well, but I had to go with D which was even better, with a slightly fuller low end and with basically the same great qualities in the mids and the highs. Mic D was the SA67, Mic A was the Neumann reissue. It was blind, so there it is. I'll be comparing the SA67 to Vincent's Max Mod 67 soon. Where did you hear this shootout? Just curious.
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Post by ragan on May 25, 2020 12:34:58 GMT -6
Yeah let's go, post it! Re-labeled of course so we can listen without knowing the answers.
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Post by soundintheround on May 25, 2020 12:52:57 GMT -6
Yeah let's go, post it! Re-labeled of course so we can listen without knowing the answers. Yeh ever hear of 'spoiler alert'??
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 25, 2020 14:46:02 GMT -6
They're not my files, it wasn't an online shootout, just someone I know who doesn't really care for posting them online.
I wanted you guys to know I heard some things and the SA67 was clearly on the same level as the Neumann, not a compromise whatsoever.
Be patient, we'll eventually we'll get the SA67 and the Reissue in the same room, but I was glad to get a preview of how they might compare, and thought to pass it along.
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Post by ml on May 26, 2020 10:42:59 GMT -6
Be patient, we'll eventually we'll get the SA67 and the Reissue in the same room, but I was glad to get a preview of how they might compare, and thought to pass it along. Looking forward to this! How long is the wait to get one of these after you order?
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