Do You Need A Subwoofer to Mix? Do you use one?

Re: the subwoofer situation. I can't really comment on checking bass in phones. I suppose that can work great if you're used to what you're doing, and have checked translation. I don't tend to use em, so they would probably not be helpful for me. At least short term.

I don't employ a sub to get big cranking lows. I use it to hear the energy factor below what my speakers can effectively pull. If you don't have a sub, unless you have megabuck speakers that go loooow, you're not hearing a lot of LF information way down that's eating up your headroom, and clouding the punch of the LF.

Yeah, Subs are a MAJOR pita to get right. But that "little extension" to what the speakers themselves are doing is huge.

BTW, to implement, double check, mute, change levels, etc. - a great monitor controller with the ability to mute the subs, change the level on the subs, and (hopefully) delay the subs vs. speakers is critical. I use the m905, and it does all that aside from the delay, which is a bummer.... But I get around it.

I have the LYD48 monitors and I also have a sub (not Dynaudio). I used to use a sub all the time but still I couldn't get the low end right. I got Sonarworks and tuned it without the sub. Much better results now. I think it's hard to get a sub to fit into the overall sound. For some reason, in most cases, if feels like the subs live in a different area, if that makes sense. I still occasionally turn on the sub just to hear where the <40hz material is. But for mixing, I don't use a sub anymore.

Oh the little field mice.....

They LOVE wire.  For them, the insulation is like candy.

They especially like Mogami.

They crawl in the back of amps and make nests.  If gear or wiring is open, they get inside and chew wires apart.

Oh the joys....

That explains it - most of mine is Canare.

So to me, it’s looking like perhaps the LYD 48s would a great place to really befin my research. They are well liked by most, and are three way with an 8” woofer. They spec down pretty low. If I pull them in to try and I get better mixes that translate well, I am done and for not that much money overall. If like them but decide I could use/need a sub, the Dynaudio 18s with the DSP presets etc for the 48s isn’t that much to add. Thoughts?

I am not sold on them by any means.   This is the info gathering stage and what I like so much about here is pleasantness of the discussing.  I am very open to ideas.  I had looked at the ATC SCM20 but people say that they have a very light low end.  Also have been very interested in Ocean Way Audio Pro 2a but there is hardly any info at all on them. 

I'm a huge fan of the LYD 48s.  

They tell me everything I want to know about the mix and they're an absolute joy to sit in front of.  

Here's the thread with my initial thoughts as I was evaluating them.  I still feel exactly the same.  

realgearonline.com/thread/7324/new-monitors?scrollTo=138866&page=3

I don't use a sub, never have.  Maybe someday I'll give it a go but for the time being, I've never felt the need for it.  

That was tongue firmly in cheek, it's actually a hodge podge of used Mogami, Redco and ProCo. I have no idea why they've left my cabling alone.

I have the Dynaudio LYD 48 and a Sub18S ... wonderful

My room is 6.5m x 5.5m with 3.5m ceiling.(21 x 16 x 10 in feet for you pre-metric folks :-) )

I measured the response and then used the EQ on the sub to treat the main nodes. This EQ is why I got that sub in particular plus it has DSP that match it to the LYD48s

Very happy and my mixes are translating really well in general