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Post by johneppstein on Aug 15, 2020 13:47:21 GMT -6
I think they'd be even more pissed and confused to learn that a corporation is a person. The alternative was having corporations be invincible legal juggernauts that could not be sued or charged with crimes, so corporate personhood was probably the preferable and least harmful outcome. Why would that be "THE" alternative? I don't see that at all.
Each officer in a corporation should have full responsibilityy for the corporation's actions.
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Post by m03 on Aug 15, 2020 14:43:36 GMT -6
The alternative was having corporations be invincible legal juggernauts that could not be sued or charged with crimes, so corporate personhood was probably the preferable and least harmful outcome. Why would that be "THE" alternative? I don't see that at all.
Each officer in a corporation should have full responsibilityy for the corporation's actions.
So if I injure myself on the premises of your business, or if the intern you hired accidentally hits me in the crosswalk while she's out handling errands for the company, I can sue you personally instead of the business and I can potentially take whatever you have? That sounds amazing for me, I'll be right over. The entire purpose of corporations is the legal protection (and ultimately the protection of private assets of the investors) it affords. Without that, the paperwork is meaningless and serves no purpose, and the legal structures that would arise under an alternative system are still going to end up protecting the assets of the people who you think should be held personally responsible.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 15, 2020 14:47:21 GMT -6
Back on topic please
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 15, 2020 19:03:22 GMT -6
Why would that be "THE" alternative? I don't see that at all.
Each officer in a corporation should have full responsibilityy for the corporation's actions.
So if I injure myself on the premises of your business, or if the intern you hired accidentally hits me in the crosswalk while she's out handling errands for the company, I can sue you personally instead of the business and I can potentially take whatever you have? That sounds amazing for me, I'll be right over. The entire purpose of corporations is the legal protection (and ultimately the protection of private assets of the investors) it affords. Without that, the paperwork is meaningless and serves no purpose, and the legal structures that would arise under an alternative system are still going to end up protecting the assets of the people who you think should be held personally responsible. Argument by oversimplification.
The truth is that the current law "protects" "investors" who should not have protection. If you make the mistake of putting your money in a company that's fleecing the public you should pay.
There are plenty of ways to protect people without making corporations "persons".
And, frankly, the assets of investors are waaay overprotected. When you company screws up, every single investor should pay in proportion to their holdings. Maybe they could get insurance.
Screw the investors. They've been screwing us far too long.
As it is now officers of a corporation (and investors) that gets caught doing something bad are generally free to walk, start another corporation, and do it again. And again. And again.
That's how you end up with a kleptocracy.
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Post by Ward on Aug 15, 2020 22:40:13 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 16, 2020 14:33:17 GMT -6
OK.
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Post by lpedrum on Oct 8, 2020 10:55:00 GMT -6
I realize that not everyone here is a fan of Facebook Marketplace. I still maintain that it's worth scanning for deals if done wisely. Today's case in point, I received an aluminum early 70s Ludwig Tambourine shipped from a very nice lady in Indiana that mostly deals in antiques and collectables. If you've read some of my other posts you know what a fan I am of Ludwig tambourines but up till now I didn't own a metal one. This is the same model the Beatles used on Hey Bulldog. $13 plus shipping. View Attachment Just to follow up for those Ludwig Tambourine fans like myself. There’s a wooden one on FB Marketplace near Albany NY right now for $15. (Owner says local sale and cash only).
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 8, 2020 12:10:40 GMT -6
I realize that not everyone here is a fan of Facebook Marketplace. I still maintain that it's worth scanning for deals if done wisely. Today's case in point, I received an aluminum early 70s Ludwig Tambourine shipped from a very nice lady in Indiana that mostly deals in antiques and collectables. If you've read some of my other posts you know what a fan I am of Ludwig tambourines but up till now I didn't own a metal one. This is the same model the Beatles used on Hey Bulldog. $13 plus shipping. Just to follow up for those Ludwig Tambourine fans like myself. There’s a wooden one on FB Marketplace near Albany NY right now for $15. (Owner says local sale and cash only). I sent him a DM and he would not ship.
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Post by rowmat on Oct 8, 2020 20:17:29 GMT -6
I currently have around $150k AUD of gear in storage since the studio closure last year. Plenty of buzzards circling but of course they want stuff for nothing.
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Post by Ward on Oct 11, 2020 9:06:30 GMT -6
I currently have around $150k AUD of gear in storage since the studio closure last year. Plenty of buzzards circling but of course they want stuff for nothing. Oh totally!! The majority of 'musician' types think they have gold and that you're going to sell for a penny on a dollar, so they can then resell and make their fortune. It's the Gen-Y attitude. Like the girl doing nails... she needs $500 to pay a bill so she figures she can charge $300 for a $75 nail job. Anyhow, I feel your pain. Fair Market Value. What a crazy old-fashioned notion.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 11, 2020 10:44:04 GMT -6
I have sold a number of things very quickly and easily this summer, all of which have been for sale at various forums for YEARS.
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Post by lpedrum on Oct 11, 2020 18:41:39 GMT -6
I have sold a number of things very quickly and easily this summer, all of which have been for sale at various forums for YEARS. Some of this feels counter-intuitive. I understand non-gigging, bored guitarists buying another axe to keep themselves inspired. And I understand why entry level home recording gear would be flying off the shelves. But high end or vintage studio gear? What's at play here? As I mentioned earlier, companies like Zildjian are laying off people. And I have a friend who worked at Kaman who lost his job as the result of layoffs. Anecdotally, I scan online auctions daily, and see very few savings on used gear. Although I did just buy an old 50's Slingerland bass drum for a great price! (the exception these days.)
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 11, 2020 19:02:50 GMT -6
I currently have around $150k AUD of gear in storage since the studio closure last year. Plenty of buzzards circling but of course they want stuff for nothing. Oh totally!! The majority of 'musician' types think they have gold and that you're going to sell for a penny on a dollar, so they can then resell and make their fortune. It's the Gen-Y attitude. Like the girl doing nails... she needs $500 to pay a bill so she figures she can charge $300 for a $75 nail job. Anyhow, I feel your pain. Fair Market Value. What a crazy old-fashioned notion. OTOH, a LOT of people look at outrageous prices being asked on various marketplaces for a long, long time - sometimes years - and believe that's what their gear is "worth".
I generally offer what a store will - that's what gear is actually WORTH, not what some fool asks for it.
Not a penney on a dollar, but 50-60% of store retail, if you want a reasonably fast sale. OTOH, if you want to wait for a sucker, good luck with your fishing. Sometimes, if I REALLY want an item and it's rare I'll go higher.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 11, 2020 19:22:15 GMT -6
I currently have around $150k AUD of gear in storage since the studio closure last year. Plenty of buzzards circling but of course they want stuff for nothing. What is it? If it's older digital it may be worth nothing.
Gear is worth what you can get for it. NOT what some guy on the internet was/is asking.
For example, a little while ago there was a guy from Hawaii on Reverb asking $1200 or a bit more for a KM84 with the serial ground off in visibly poor condition - OBVIOUSLY hot. Just for sh!ts and giggles I offered $700, mostly just to see what would happen. He sent back an angry rant saying that he was a "professional mic dealer", blah, blah, blah. I answered that no professional dealer would touch a mic with the serial (obviously) ground off.
I really should have reported him to Reverb, but did not. A while later I landed an 84 in great shape (badge fallen off but included) for $1200, which I gladly paid. I believe it was a referral from here. Very happy.
Some sellers are crazy idiots, if not outright crooks.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 11, 2020 19:39:35 GMT -6
I have sold a number of things very quickly and easily this summer, all of which have been for sale at various forums for YEARS. Some of this feels counter-intuitive. I understand non-gigging, bored guitarists buying another axe to keep themselves inspired. And I understand why entry level home recording gear would be flying off the shelves. But high end or vintage studio gear? What's at play here? As I mentioned earlier, companies like Zildjian are laying off people. And I have a friend who worked at Kaman who lost his job as the result of layoffs. Anecdotally, I scan online auctions daily, and see very few savings on used gear. Hobbyist collectors, those who still have jobs and money, pandemic boredom, everyone has more cash from skipping restaurant food for 6 months, no alcohol in bars, etc. Some things almost always go up relative to where they were, or remain at least stable in crap times. Scarcity adds to it for some things. I read about Sennheiser and Neumann discontinuing some higher end mics because there's so little market for them. You can't put an orchestra in a room for a tracking date.
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Post by mike on Oct 11, 2020 19:58:35 GMT -6
I read about Sennheiser and Neumann discontinuing some higher end mics because there's so little market for them. You can't put an orchestra in a room for a tracking date.
Which mic's were they considering discontinuing, and if the article is online do you have a link ? Thanks Mike
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Post by EmRR on Oct 11, 2020 22:33:59 GMT -6
I read about Sennheiser and Neumann discontinuing some higher end mics because there's so little market for them. You can't put an orchestra in a room for a tracking date.
Which mic's were they considering discontinuing, and if the article is online do you have a link ? Thanks Mike
GS info - M150 is gone - lose money on it they sell so few. MKH800 is gone. The older MKH/20/40/50/60/70 is a question, someone said only the newer mini MKH were available.
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Post by rowmat on Oct 11, 2020 23:20:45 GMT -6
I currently have around $150k AUD of gear in storage since the studio closure last year. Plenty of buzzards circling but of course they want stuff for nothing. What is it? If it's older digital it may be worth nothing.
Gear is worth what you can get for it. NOT what some guy on the internet was/is asking.
For example, a little while ago there was a guy from Hawaii on Reverb asking $1200 or a bit more for a KM84 with the serial ground off in visibly poor condition - OBVIOUSLY hot. Just for sh!ts and giggles I offered $700, mostly just to see what would happen. He sent back an angry rant saying that he was a "professional mic dealer", blah, blah, blah. I answered that no professional dealer would touch a mic with the serial (obviously) ground off.
I really should have reported him to Reverb, but did not. A while later I landed an 84 in great shape (badge fallen off but included) for $1200, which I gladly paid. I believe it was a referral from here. Very happy.
Some sellers are crazy idiots, if not outright crooks.
Yeah you're absolutely correct John. I've got a shitty old Lexicon 480L in near mint condition. I would have asked $50 for it but as it's probably worth nothing (being both digital and old) I may as well just give it away or maybe keep it as a door stop.
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Post by hadaja on Oct 12, 2020 1:39:52 GMT -6
What is it? If it's older digital it may be worth nothing.
Gear is worth what you can get for it. NOT what some guy on the internet was/is asking.
For example, a little while ago there was a guy from Hawaii on Reverb asking $1200 or a bit more for a KM84 with the serial ground off in visibly poor condition - OBVIOUSLY hot. Just for sh!ts and giggles I offered $700, mostly just to see what would happen. He sent back an angry rant saying that he was a "professional mic dealer", blah, blah, blah. I answered that no professional dealer would touch a mic with the serial (obviously) ground off.
I really should have reported him to Reverb, but did not. A while later I landed an 84 in great shape (badge fallen off but included) for $1200, which I gladly paid. I believe it was a referral from here. Very happy.
Some sellers are crazy idiots, if not outright crooks.
Yeah you're absolutely correct John. I've got a shitty old Lexicon 480L in near mint condition. I would have asked $50 for it but as it's probably worth nothing (being both digital and old) I may as well just give it away or maybe keep it as a door stop. Funny stuff.
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Post by mulmany on Oct 12, 2020 17:58:23 GMT -6
rowmat, I have been looking for a door stop. Send it my way and I'll pay shipping!🤣
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Post by Ward on Oct 13, 2020 11:25:27 GMT -6
rowmat, I have been looking for a door stop. Send it my way and I'll pay shipping!🤣 New door stop, you say? Hmmm . . . I'll gladly take it off johneppstein's hands also! $40 plus shipping!
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Post by rowmat on Oct 13, 2020 14:30:31 GMT -6
rowmat , I have been looking for a door stop. Send it my way and I'll pay shipping!🤣 New door stop, you say? Hmmm . . . I'll gladly take it off johneppstein 's hands also! $40 plus shipping! John made me an offer I almost could not refuse (zilch) but in the end I realised the shipping from Australia to the US alone would have a deal breaker. So I have instead decided to donate the 480L to a very worthy cause indeed.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 13, 2020 16:39:51 GMT -6
New door stop, you say? Hmmm . . . I'll gladly take it off johneppstein 's hands also! $40 plus shipping! John made me an offer I almost could not refuse (zilch) but in the end I realised the shipping from Australia to the US alone would have a deal breaker. So I have instead decided to donate the 480L to a very worthy cause indeed.
What would the shipping be?
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Post by sean on Oct 13, 2020 20:14:43 GMT -6
I bought a pair of KM84’s for a $1000 in March. Great deal for even one, but when I got back to the studio and tested them one was DOA. The seller blocked me on Facebook, deleted his Venmo, and blocked my number.
Now, it only cost $150 to get that KM84 up and running again, so no big deal. But I found the guy on LinkedIn, and he‘s a live sound engineer so I called the 3 companies his listed as employers, and the last artist he worked with (whom I’d meet many years ago) and made sure they weren’t stolen from their inventory. Which was awkward, but that’s honestly the first time anything like that has ever happened and I buy and sell A LOT of stuff...and I didn’t want stolen gear.
But, it all checked out. I think he was just desperate for cash. Which in March when every gig went away I totally understand.
Otherwise I have 99.9% positive experiences buying and selling stuff
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 13, 2020 23:03:18 GMT -6
I bought a pair of KM84’s for a $1000 in March. Great deal for even one, but when I got back to the studio and tested them one was DOA. The seller blocked me on Facebook, deleted his Venmo, and blocked my number. Now, it only cost $150 to get that KM84 up and running again, so no big deal. But I found the guy on LinkedIn, and he‘s a live sound engineer so I called the 3 companies his listed as employers, and the last artist he worked with (whom I’d meet many years ago) and made sure they weren’t stolen from their inventory. Which was awkward, but that’s honestly the first time anything like that has ever happened and I buy and sell A LOT of stuff...and I didn’t want stolen gear. But, it all checked out. I think he was just desperate for cash. Which in March when every gig went away I totally understand. Otherwise I have 99.9% positive experiences buying and selling stuff Congrats on the killer deal. Wish I'd got that!
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