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Post by drbill on Mar 14, 2020 16:45:29 GMT -6
I know....dumb question, huh? I used to just use whatever was handy. Virtually anything works. Then, a few years ago I decided to get serious about it. I went thru pretty much everything - and they all worked. Some better than others : KM84 C451E/EB SM7 KM86 U87 Geffel UM70 219 441 57 RE15 Copperphone Royer 121 RCA77 MJ 205's X15 All the usual suspects. All fine. All good. Nothing to complain about, but at the same time, nothing to get up on your chair and yell about either..... I mean, who even cares, right? It's just a shaker.... But...... Then I got the Heiserman H47. OMG. What a mic. I like big, fat, lush, jangly kind of shakers / rattles on 1/4's or 1/2's, and the current project I'm on was begging for these. So I pulled out the H47, cause I've used it for this in the past. It is just so gorgeous that I began to fall in love with the shakers all over again. Open on top, never brittle. Lush, not thin and pokey. A huge sound, but not bottom heavy. It's just the perfect mic for this. Present, fits in the mix, open, big, what more can I say??!! A lot of other things I guess, but sometimes you just gotta be excited about the little things. I'm going back and adding shakers to 30 songs now. LOL. Oh, one thing more - I went in thru a WT72 tube pre. Between the Weight Tank and H47, the transient control is to die for. PS - the REACH on this mic is beyond ridiculous. For me, that's the acid test for a modern mic. The vintage mics will reach out into the room, and adding distance between the source and mic does not penalize you. Not so with so many modern mics. When you pull off, they become small, impotent, and lackluster. Not the H47. You can be 18" off or 6 feet with the shakers and it just eats them for breakfast. Lovely. Thanks Eric. Thanks Matt. Thanks Dave!! You guys rock. Wish I could afford 2. No, make that 3.
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 14, 2020 17:06:34 GMT -6
Shakers/tambourines are such a pain to record well! Glad you found a good one! One trick that always works for me, besides finding a good recording chain is not shaking directly into the mic. I like to go sideways where the shake still happens at the capsule but not towards it. That Heiserman 47 is on my shortlist of gear I need!
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Post by drbill on Mar 14, 2020 18:27:24 GMT -6
Shakers/tambourines are such a pain to record well! Glad you found a good one! One trick that always works for me, besides finding a good recording chain is not shaking directly into the mic. I like to go sideways where the shake still happens at the capsule but not towards it. That Heiserman 47 is on my shortlist of gear I need! That's a good list then. Just used it on a more traditional backbeat tambourine track and it worked great there too.
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Post by nudwig on Mar 15, 2020 13:33:54 GMT -6
This is good to know, I've been eyeing the Heiserman 47 for kick and bass cab as my old D12 seems to be losing it's bass. Nice to hear it excels on tambourine and shaker too.
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Post by soundintheround on Mar 15, 2020 16:10:32 GMT -6
For recording shaker U67 or a M260 could work. For using as an actual salt shaker, the Altec 633A can’t be beat
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Post by rowmat on Mar 15, 2020 17:05:19 GMT -6
I found the KM54 to be good on shaker/tamborine etc especially with a Hardy style Twin Servo.
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Post by allbuttonmode on Mar 16, 2020 3:36:51 GMT -6
If you have access to them, you should try the Coles 4038 and Royer R-121. I've found that sufficient distance to the mic is the most important thing, though.
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Post by drumsound on Mar 18, 2020 12:29:20 GMT -6
Leave it to Dr Bill to do a highend mic on shakers shootout! Your love for the Heiserman H47 peaks my interest. Though there are not new mics in my immediate future.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 12:14:19 GMT -6
Leave it to Dr Bill to do a highend mic on shakers shootout! Your love for the Heiserman H47 peaks my interest. Though there are not new mics in my immediate future. It would never even occur to me to break out anything that isn't already sitting on a stand 2' away from me for a shaker. So that's my answer. Whatever is right there. I almost always blend a tiny bit of Massey THC fuzz into shaker tracks too. For tamborine I make more of a conscious choice because they are stupid and I hate mixing them. Usually a 441 or m160, or some other ribbon. Something that makes them sound smaller, because like high hats and trumpets, no matter what... they will be the loudest goddamn thing in the room.
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 19, 2020 12:35:35 GMT -6
Leave it to Dr Bill to do a highend mic on shakers shootout! Your love for the Heiserman H47 peaks my interest. Though there are not new mics in my immediate future. It would never even occur to me to break out anything that isn't already sitting on a stand 2' away from me for a shaker. So that's my answer. Whatever is right there. I almost always blend a tiny bit of Massey THC fuzz into shaker tracks too. For tamborine I make more of a conscious choice because they are stupid and I hate mixing them. Usually a 441 or m160, or some other ribbon. Something that makes them sound smaller, because like high hats and trumpets, no matter what... they will be the loudest goddamn thing in the room. Haha this post makes me laugh! I've hated hi-hats since day one of recording! My newest trick is to stuff them with a rag and use a moon gel on the top hat. Seems to get them to sit much better in my small room. I'm also a trumpet player so I totally get it! I like to think I play with a sound that blends well and is easy to record and mix!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 12:46:18 GMT -6
It would never even occur to me to break out anything that isn't already sitting on a stand 2' away from me for a shaker. So that's my answer. Whatever is right there. I almost always blend a tiny bit of Massey THC fuzz into shaker tracks too. For tamborine I make more of a conscious choice because they are stupid and I hate mixing them. Usually a 441 or m160, or some other ribbon. Something that makes them sound smaller, because like high hats and trumpets, no matter what... they will be the loudest goddamn thing in the room. Haha this post makes me laugh! I've hated hi-hats since day one of recording! My newest trick is to stuff them with a rag and use a moon gel on the top hat. Seems to get them to sit much better in my small room. I'm also a trumpet player so I totally get it! I like to think I play with a sound that blends well and is easy to record and mix! I have a buddy who plays trumpet in a surf/psych rock band. He always requests that I do sound for them to make sure his trumpet is "right" in the mix. I literally mute his mic to the mains EVERY time and it's plenty loud. I give him a lot in the monitors so that he doesn't overblow, but he does anyway. haha. They just cut through!
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Post by EmRR on Mar 19, 2020 14:00:05 GMT -6
Western Electric 633A Salt Shaker? You can get a lot of kosher salt in one of those. Here all week....try the fish!
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Post by drbill on Mar 19, 2020 15:22:07 GMT -6
Leave it to Dr Bill to do a highend mic on shakers shootout! Your love for the Heiserman H47 peaks my interest. Though there are not new mics in my immediate future. It would never even occur to me to break out anything that isn't already sitting on a stand 2' away from me for a shaker. So that's my answer. Whatever is right there. I almost always blend a tiny bit of Massey THC fuzz into shaker tracks too. For tamborine I make more of a conscious choice because they are stupid and I hate mixing them. Usually a 441 or m160, or some other ribbon. Something that makes them sound smaller, because like high hats and trumpets, no matter what... they will be the loudest goddamn thing in the room. Haha! I used to be there right with ya. But I've "see the light"....
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Post by drumsound on Mar 19, 2020 17:57:57 GMT -6
Leave it to Dr Bill to do a highend mic on shakers shootout! Your love for the Heiserman H47 peaks my interest. Though there are not new mics in my immediate future. It would never even occur to me to break out anything that isn't already sitting on a stand 2' away from me for a shaker. So that's my answer. Whatever is right there. I almost always blend a tiny bit of Massey THC fuzz into shaker tracks too. For tamborine I make more of a conscious choice because they are stupid and I hate mixing them. Usually a 441 or m160, or some other ribbon. Something that makes them sound smaller, because like high hats and trumpets, no matter what... they will be the loudest goddamn thing in the room. A pretty well known producer/engineer/songwriter/all-around awesome music maker and person buddy of mine calls that "proximity effect" as in "grab the mic in closest proximity to the thing you're recording next.
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Post by drumsound on Mar 19, 2020 17:58:47 GMT -6
It would never even occur to me to break out anything that isn't already sitting on a stand 2' away from me for a shaker. So that's my answer. Whatever is right there. I almost always blend a tiny bit of Massey THC fuzz into shaker tracks too. For tamborine I make more of a conscious choice because they are stupid and I hate mixing them. Usually a 441 or m160, or some other ribbon. Something that makes them sound smaller, because like high hats and trumpets, no matter what... they will be the loudest goddamn thing in the room. Haha! I used to be there right with ya. But I've "see the light".... Preach!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 19:57:22 GMT -6
It would never even occur to me to break out anything that isn't already sitting on a stand 2' away from me for a shaker. So that's my answer. Whatever is right there. I almost always blend a tiny bit of Massey THC fuzz into shaker tracks too. For tamborine I make more of a conscious choice because they are stupid and I hate mixing them. Usually a 441 or m160, or some other ribbon. Something that makes them sound smaller, because like high hats and trumpets, no matter what... they will be the loudest goddamn thing in the room. A pretty well known producer/engineer/songwriter/all-around awesome music maker and person buddy of mine calls that "proximity effect" as in "grab the mic in closest proximity to the thing you're recording next. That's great. I definitely do it with more than just shakers. I feel like having a 441 or M88 or something like that in arms reach is always a good move.
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Post by drumsound on Mar 19, 2020 22:09:23 GMT -6
A pretty well known producer/engineer/songwriter/all-around awesome music maker and person buddy of mine calls that "proximity effect" as in "grab the mic in closest proximity to the thing you're recording next. That's great. I definitely do it with more than just shakers. I feel like having a 441 or M88 or something like that in arms reach is always a good move. For sure. I've started keeping a 635a always handy...
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Post by chessparov on Mar 20, 2020 3:26:17 GMT -6
Clips? Chris
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Post by Mister Chase on Mar 20, 2020 11:08:58 GMT -6
Wow I definitely need one of these.
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Post by damoongo on Mar 20, 2020 14:27:16 GMT -6
This is good to know, I've been eyeing the Heiserman 47 for kick and bass cab as my old D12 seems to be losing it's bass. Nice to hear it excels on tambourine and shaker too. There's a guy in Switzerland (I think he's here on RGO) named Panman that restored my D20 for a very reasonable price and it sounds great again.
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Post by nudwig on Mar 20, 2020 16:01:22 GMT -6
This is good to know, I've been eyeing the Heiserman 47 for kick and bass cab as my old D12 seems to be losing it's bass. Nice to hear it excels on tambourine and shaker too. There's a guy in Switzerland (I think he's here on RGO) named Panman that restored my D20 for a very reasonable price and it sounds great again. Thanks. I'll look him up as I do love that mic. Was your D20 also suffering from lack of bottom?
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Post by damoongo on Mar 20, 2020 19:38:17 GMT -6
There's a guy in Switzerland (I think he's here on RGO) named Panman that restored my D20 for a very reasonable price and it sounds great again. Thanks. I'll look him up as I do love that mic. Was your D20 also suffering from lack of bottom? Yeah. It had the same problem. Sounds great again. I have a d12 too, very similar. (Also have a fet47 which is a completely different animal on kick.)
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Post by drumsound on Mar 20, 2020 22:11:19 GMT -6
There's a guy in England doing D12s as well. I might bith the bullet once international shipping isn't a case of sudden death..
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Post by nudwig on Mar 21, 2020 12:58:06 GMT -6
Thanks. I'll look him up as I do love that mic. Was your D20 also suffering from lack of bottom? Yeah. It had the same problem. Sounds great again. I have a d12 too, very similar. (Also have a fet47 which is a completely different animal on kick.) That's very encouraging as I'd like to get it back to full glory. As is this progressing natural rolloff is working in interesting ways on bass cab, not interesting enough to leave it in disrepair though. I recently used a buddy's Soundelux fet47 on kick and bass cab and really dug it. That got me interested in the Heiserman.
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