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Post by christopher on Mar 12, 2020 11:14:59 GMT -6
Hi guys.. this is an area I have a couple tricks that I'm not in love with. The artist I'm working with did a double but its not perfect, so I'm using one track and its brutally honest. I'm thinking something a live engineer can dial in and help them out live as well. Are there some plugins that you guys like? Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 11:40:09 GMT -6
You did the right thing in sticking with the one track. Just use a delay to double and eq it.
For clean, ReaDelay is one of the easiest cockos plugs to use. Warm or tape, NastyDLA is awesome like all the variety of sound plugs if you take the time to learn it like a piece of analog gear. Grainy vibey digital reverb, 1989verb I’m loving right now. 10 bucks from Ugritone
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Post by svart on Mar 12, 2020 12:08:17 GMT -6
I would autotune the second one and put it lower in volume so you can't quite hear the autotune but it still sounds like a double. You actually don't want the double to be too close or else it'll phase with the first one. You want it to be in tune and in time, but not perfect.
If you don't want to do that or can't do that, double the first vocal and add some distortion, chorus, short delay and some reverb to it to cover up the fact that it's the same take. It'll work in a pinch.
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Post by mike on Mar 12, 2020 12:38:47 GMT -6
To me, the double vox effect options out there are kind of a subjective personal preference where one man's junk is another's treasure. Some plugs it seems suit certain genre's more than other's. My preference is a real double take first, but there are some cool plugs too. This one from Izotope is Free at www.izotope.com/en/products/vocal-doubler.htmlAnd here' a quick demo video of it to see if this style of doubling suits what you're looking for.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 12, 2020 13:06:44 GMT -6
Waves Abbey Road Reel ADT?
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Post by ragan on Mar 12, 2020 13:10:26 GMT -6
I like Softube The Fix Doubler or Waves Reel ADT.
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 12, 2020 14:59:54 GMT -6
I use waves Doubler or Reel ADT. But you can always make 2 copies of the vocal, pitch one up a few cents, the other down a few cents, pan them (or not) and duck them behind the main vocal. Adding some delay might help too but be careful of comb filtering and phase anomalies.
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Post by Ward on Mar 12, 2020 17:26:32 GMT -6
Part of the autotune suite contains a pugin for choir/crowd effect. TONS of options! A really effective treatment.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Mar 12, 2020 22:04:08 GMT -6
Revoice Pro. Does an amazing job with this.
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Post by christopher on Mar 13, 2020 12:19:24 GMT -6
Wow.. thanks, there's lots of options! I downloaded the free one from Izotope, seems pretty good. I want to check out The Fix, ADT, Revoice and also the Autotune stuff... after I posted I tried riding the fader on the double and also rode the fader on the lead to an aux plate, helped way more than I thought it would, just time consuming to get right.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 13, 2020 12:37:23 GMT -6
Milli-Vanilli plug in for me. Don't have to even sing the first vocal. It does it all for you! Chris
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 12:41:42 GMT -6
Echoboy on the digital or "master tape" setting or UAD ATR-102 set to the delay setting would be my first stop. Any delay, really.
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Post by theshea on Mar 13, 2020 13:54:03 GMT -6
within logic pro the sample delay. i've been doing it quiete often lately if i only have one mono track bi want left/right.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 14, 2020 16:13:54 GMT -6
Hi guys.. this is an area I have a couple tricks that I'm not in love with. The artist I'm working with did a double but its not perfect, so I'm using one track and its brutally honest. I'm thinking something a live engineer can dial in and help them out live as well. Are there some plugins that you guys like? Thanks I nearly always double or triple my vocals, live. If a word is a bit out and it's noticeable I just duck it. Of course I'm a "hands on faders" mixer so it's not really a big deal.
I normally do vocal takes in sets of 3 anyway, and take the best one for the main. If both the others are unacceptably off then I might redo the rejects.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 14, 2020 16:16:23 GMT -6
You actually don't want the double to be too close or else it'll phase with the first one. You want it to be in tune and in time, but not perfect. ^^THIS^^
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Post by svart on Mar 14, 2020 17:21:42 GMT -6
You actually don't want the double to be too close or else it'll phase with the first one. You want it to be in tune and in time, but not perfect. ^^THIS^^ Learned the hard way!
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Post by soundintheround on Mar 14, 2020 22:13:18 GMT -6
I would just grab a J37, a BTR-2, an oscillator, and power amp.
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Post by donr on Mar 15, 2020 19:05:23 GMT -6
Is why most all the artificial "doublers" aren't convincing. I never liked the EMI one. Give me the sloppy double of John on "Mr. Moonlight." Or Leslie Gore's "It's My Party."
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 16, 2020 6:50:26 GMT -6
I’m into the, pan the original hard left and a copy hard right. I use UAD Ampex and delay the right one between 40-60 milliseconds depending on how you want the effect to sound. This will work up the center too, but I love the Beatlesque effect it creates for tracks when hard panned.
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Post by dreamsambas on Mar 16, 2020 9:40:36 GMT -6
Have any of you guys tried to do ADT in the analogue realm?
A few months ago, I went down the rabbit trail of looking into it, and it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to do!
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 16, 2020 16:21:59 GMT -6
Have any of you guys tried to do ADT in the analogue realm? A few months ago, I went down the rabbit trail of looking into it, and it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to do! I have this old Radio Shack “reverb” unit, that’s really just a bucket brigade delay, but it does a pretty good job of slaps and doubles. I should hook it back up!
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Post by viciousbliss on Mar 16, 2020 17:47:25 GMT -6
Revoice Pro will usually do it, but I've heard it got even better with updates to v3 and v4. Sonnox Doubler is just about as good as the original Revoice 3. Fix Doubler is a great effect that's not as exacting as the former two. A lot of times it sounds nicer, but it's not as precise.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 17, 2020 14:35:25 GMT -6
Have any of you guys tried to do ADT in the analogue realm? A few months ago, I went down the rabbit trail of looking into it, and it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to do! ADR had an "automatic double tracking" module for their SCAMP system. IIRC it's BBD based and is said to be very good. Unfortunately it's one of the few modules that I don't currently have for my SCAMP rack - probably because it's one of the pricier modules on the used market and there aren't that many around.
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Post by drumsound on Mar 18, 2020 12:30:56 GMT -6
If you have access to an Eventide H3000 3 of Me is a great patch.
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Post by sam on Mar 20, 2020 13:17:28 GMT -6
Waves Reel ADT is my go-to for this. The "2 Guitars are better than 1" preset with the drives down to zero will give you a great tight double, and the "2 Driven Vocals" with the pan spread out and the drives to zero will give you a bit of a loose vibe on it. The first preset I mentioned has saved my skin so many times.
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