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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2020 8:00:55 GMT -6
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Post by jamiesego on Feb 13, 2020 8:28:11 GMT -6
I use Pro-L2 but I do think the TPL feature changes the sound. Seems to decrease the width a bit. Sometimes makes the center sound thicker. Is anyone else experiencing that?
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2020 8:37:35 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 13, 2020 8:42:00 GMT -6
That's not a limiter though. I use Pro-L.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2020 8:48:27 GMT -6
But it has a true peak limiting option ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 13, 2020 9:20:36 GMT -6
But it has a true peak limiting option ? Not that I see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 9:27:08 GMT -6
Limiter 6 by Vlad G and Tokyo Dawn Labs. I like the GUI of the old free one a little better but the GE has useful features.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2020 9:38:48 GMT -6
Seems to here:
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Post by m03 on Feb 13, 2020 9:49:14 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 13, 2020 10:15:42 GMT -6
Still no. The plugin is just a meter. It's not limiting at all...
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Post by drbill on Feb 13, 2020 10:36:48 GMT -6
Levels is a meter. Well...a sophisticated and outside the box meter.
I'm using Fabfilter L2.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2020 11:00:03 GMT -6
Ya I think that was my point the level shows you the true peak and my understanding is it doesn’t allow the real signal above that threshold?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 13, 2020 11:03:32 GMT -6
...I give up...
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2020 11:16:38 GMT -6
Me too, as I was only asking what people were using, don’t need a lesson in what limiting actually is.
Since the issue normally is your daw doesn’t show you the true peaks, something that does is helpful.
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Post by trakworxmastering on Feb 13, 2020 11:34:23 GMT -6
Ya I think that was my point the level shows you the true peak and my understanding is it doesn’t allow the real signal above that threshold? No the Levels plugin really is just a meter. No audio processing in that plugin. For TPL I use Pro-L2 and I don't find the sound objectionable with the way I set up the rest of Pro-L2. That's the key - to dig deep into all the settings. Don't hesitate to experiment with all the parameters and break the rules a bit. Try oversampling off. Stereo linking off. Extreme attack/release settings. Fast lookahead settings. Use the feature that lets you hear just what's being removed while you adjust the parameters. After I did that I found the TP button didn't change the sound... With Limitless I found the TPL to be more audible and also it lets more ISPs sneak through. I've read that many big name MEs don't use TPL at all. Honestly most of those guys seem not to be at all worried about ISPs or peak headroom. Every major label Rock track I've ever ripped from CD peaks at 0 or -0.1dbfs and is riddled with ISPs. No one complains. I once saw a picture of Ted Jensen's Pro-L2. He had TP off, oversampling off, ceiling at -0.1. FWIW.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2020 12:49:29 GMT -6
Perhaps a semantic distinction, but I don’t recall stating level was doing any dsp? I understand it sets a max volume limit that the signal doesn’t go above or at least that is stated in the video, if it doesn’t do that what is the point of the plug in: pretty graphics ?
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Post by jamiesego on Feb 13, 2020 13:18:53 GMT -6
I usually don’t find the change in sound with Pro-L’s TPL objectionable. Sometimes I prefer the change that it makes. Most of the time I’m using TPL on with 4x oversampling and the Modern algorithm and I play with the other settings.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 13, 2020 13:59:54 GMT -6
Perhaps a semantic distinction, but I don’t recall stating level was doing any dsp? I understand it sets a max volume limit that the signal doesn’t go above or at least that is stated in the video, if it doesn’t do that what is the point of the plug in: pretty graphics ? It doesn't set any limit. It's literally just a meter that's showing you intersample peaks that your limiter missed (without ISP turned on). The point of the plugin is metering. That's all.
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 13, 2020 15:05:08 GMT -6
Ya I think that was my point the level shows you the true peak and my understanding is it doesn’t allow the real signal above that threshold? The Levels plugin is strictly a meter and does no audio processing whatsoever, except for utility buttons that let you listen to the low frecuencies only, etc. I use Fabfilter L2, with TP engaged. I don't fool around much with the settings and have my ceiling at 0.3. Sometimes I wonder if I should switch it off altogether. One of the best mastering engineers in Europe -that I worked with- was using Fabfilter with the default preset. Didn't look at the TP or oversampling though.
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Post by brenta on Feb 13, 2020 15:18:14 GMT -6
Does anybody know if there's any point to oversampling on the limiter if you have TPL switched on?
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 13, 2020 15:24:11 GMT -6
Does anybody know if there's any point to oversampling on the limiter if you have TPL switched on? Yes. "If True Peak Limiting is enabled, FabFilter Pro-L 2 ensures that the true peaks in the output will not exceed the ceiling level set by the Output Level parameter in the bottom bar. However, if oversampling is off, more inter-sample peaks will be generated so the limiter has to do more work to keep them under the output level ceiling. Turning oversampling on (e.g. with the 4x option) will reduce the inter-sample peaks which allows the limiter to increase the overall output level and apparent loudness. In short, we highly recommend to use oversampling in combination with true peak limiting to get the best results." www.fabfilter.com/help/pro-l/using/oversampling.html
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Post by svart on Feb 13, 2020 16:09:08 GMT -6
I push the signal hard into the converters. Limiting happens naturally.
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Post by drbill on Feb 13, 2020 18:03:06 GMT -6
Perhaps a semantic distinction, but I don’t recall stating level was doing any dsp? I understand it sets a max volume limit that the signal doesn’t go above or at least that is stated in the video, if it doesn’t do that what is the point of the plug in: pretty graphics ? It doesn't set any limit. It's literally just a meter that's showing you intersample peaks that your limiter missed (without ISP turned on). The point of the plugin is metering. That's all. You mean its metering along with limiting the ISP's??
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2020 18:07:55 GMT -6
Ask an innocent question and watch out !!!
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Post by trakworxmastering on Feb 13, 2020 20:51:50 GMT -6
I gotta fess up that this thread inspired me to revisit my limiter settings and with my current workflow (which has changed a little since I last tested TPL) I do now hear a difference with TPL engaged. The most obvious thing is the snare is slightly dulled. I ended up disabling TPL and lowering the output ceiling a little. Solved! Now I have a new thing to think about...
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