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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 10, 2020 21:39:22 GMT -6
I am looking for a new set of cymbals for my studio kit. I am leaning towards Zildjian K series. Demoed a hi-hat and just fell in love with it. It was just a standard K hi hat. Wish I would've bought it, but ended up buying a kit instead of cymbals! Doh! LOL!
What do You think of the Packs you can buy with the complete set? Free 18" crash...lol! Yeah right!
I have set of Paiste Sigs I have set of Sabian AAX Explosions I have set of Zildjian A custom series A few older Zildjian A series A few older Sabian AA series
I am not happy with my cymbals lately on a few new songs I've been working on!
I'm thinking darker/softer warm shimmery
I'm also looking at the Sabian HH series
I heard some Freq series cymbals that I liked, but they are more modern sounding and very crisp, at least the hi-hats. Liked the Hats
I know that Zildjian also makes a K dark series. Maybe this is the route to go? I have a hard time finding companies that will let you demo cymbals.
I need a ride that I can crash but works nice for riding as well. I guess until I record with it, I really won't know if I like it or not
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Post by Guitar on Feb 10, 2020 21:47:11 GMT -6
K's are such beautiful instruments. I have always thought so.
I have K Custom Limited Hybrid Reversible 14" hi hats, and to K rides, a 20" "K Ride" and the 21" Organic Ride.
They are all wonderful. The "regular" old K ride gets the most use these days over the organic ride or the old A series Ping 22" ride which I pretty much hate.
It's money well spent in my opinion.
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Post by svart on Feb 10, 2020 21:54:20 GMT -6
Supposedly the sabian HH series are the same bronze as the zildjian K. Sabian was formed by one of the zildjian family members who, uh, borrowed the bronze formula for the K series.
I think K or HH would give you something you don't have. I think the K would be darker than the HH since sabian tends to make brighter cymbals overall.
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Post by svart on Feb 10, 2020 21:57:00 GMT -6
But also, like a lot of handmade instruments, you gotta go play them until you find what you're looking for. I've heard vastly different voicings from different cymbals of the same models.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Feb 10, 2020 22:03:10 GMT -6
Drums are the most interesting thing to me in the recording process.
The most important thing is to go and play the cymbals before you buy them. There is such variation between even the same series. I am partial to the K series but i have some aax crashes too. AAX are too bright for most cases.
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Post by drumrec on Feb 10, 2020 22:23:41 GMT -6
This series I have started to like and will continue to buy. Dark and comfortable in tone Meinl Byzance Vintage Cymbals Meinl Byzance Extra Dry Cymbals KR Håkan
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Post by matt@IAA on Feb 10, 2020 22:24:20 GMT -6
Really depends on the genre doesn’t it?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 10, 2020 23:16:40 GMT -6
Yup, as stated above, difficult to recommend cymbals unless we know the type of music involved.
I’ve got bags full of cymbals and usually hand pick what will be used depending on the song/situation/room/drummer/mics available to track with.
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Post by lpedrum on Feb 11, 2020 3:08:34 GMT -6
I’m a drummer so here’s my 2 cents. Don’t buy the cymbal packs. Find a really well stocked drum store and spend a few hours. Listen to hundreds of online clips so your ears will start to hear the subtleties. You will never find the one perfect ride so think it terms of 2 or 3 to cover your bases. 60s A zildjians are often very reasonably priced and much better than new ones. Go on cymbalholic and educate yourself. It’s a deep topic. If you don’t need to buy a whole set right away don’t. Let your ears and knowledge catch up first.
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Post by drumrec on Feb 11, 2020 3:29:24 GMT -6
Really depends on the genre doesn’t it? Absolutely, it depends on what genre it is about. But I play from jazz to metal and I usually land on slightly darker cymbals anyway. Might have a little to do that I mix a lot of the drum job myself and know what "hell" it can be to have too much sharp cymbals in the mix. So overall I would recommend darker cymbals regardless of what genre it is. Just my 0.2 cents
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 11, 2020 6:39:16 GMT -6
I played Zildjian A for years. I have an older 15” A crash that is perfect for accents with snare and fast high crash. I bought my A series set years ago, and my A customs when they first came out. I use the Paiste Sig’s for metal//Rock and the Sabian AAX explosions are warmer with a nice darker shimmer, but they sound really different by how hard you hit them, depending on feel for the song. They do really explode when you hit them hard, and they sound really different. I played a few Zildjian K dark 17” crashes that I really liked. I like the 17s the 18s and the 19 crashes. Sometimes the 18s sound brash depending on type. I’ve played a lot of different cymbals over the years. Sabian HHX and Zildjian K is what I’m kind of focusing on right now for my next set. Maybe a mix of K dark and K regular or K custom I’m not sure yet. The stuff I’ve been working on lately is not metal, some rock, but mostly Americana/70’s vibe/groove/Country Rock. I have rock covered, but the material I’m working on now, I need something more mellow and dark. I like the more warm defined shimmer, I don’t like the washy, trashy sound. I did most of my cymbal purchases many years ago. My Paiste Sigs were purchased when they first hit the market.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 11, 2020 6:46:31 GMT -6
I played Zildjian A for years. I have 15” A crash that is perfect for accents with snare and fast high crash. Perfect for that. I use the Paiste Sig’s for metal//Rock and the explosions are warmer with a nice darker shimmer, but they sound different by how hard you hit them, depending on feel for the song. I played a few Zildjian K dark 17” crashes that I really liked. I like the 17s the 18s and the 19 crashes. Sometimes the 18s sound brash depending on type. I’ve played a lot of different cymbals over the years. Sabian HHX and Zildjian K is what I’m kind of focusing on right now for my next set. Maybe a mix of K dark and K regular or K custom I’m not sure yet. The stuff I’ve been working on lately is not metal, some rock, but mostly Americana/70’s vibe/groove. I have rock covered, but the material I’m working on now, I need something more mellow and dark. I like the more warm defined shimmer, I don’t like the washy, trashy sound.
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 11, 2020 6:55:39 GMT -6
Thanks guys for your contributions to my thread.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 11, 2020 7:32:00 GMT -6
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Post by drumrec on Feb 11, 2020 7:45:39 GMT -6
I played Zildjian A for years. I have an older 15” A crash that is perfect for accents with snare and fast high crash. I bought my A series set years ago, and my A customs when they first came out. I use the Paiste Sig’s for metal//Rock and the Sabian AAX explosions are warmer with a nice darker shimmer, but they sound really different by how hard you hit them, depending on feel for the song. They do really explode when you hit them hard, and they sound really different. I played a few Zildjian K dark 17” crashes that I really liked. I like the 17s the 18s and the 19 crashes. Sometimes the 18s sound brash depending on type. I’ve played a lot of different cymbals over the years. Sabian HHX and Zildjian K is what I’m kind of focusing on right now for my next set. Maybe a mix of K dark and K regular or K custom I’m not sure yet. The stuff I’ve been working on lately is not metal, some rock, but mostly Americana/70’s vibe/groove/Country Rock. I have rock covered, but the material I’m working on now, I need something more mellow and dark. I like the more warm defined shimmer, I don’t like the washy, trashy sound. I did most of my cymbal purchases many years ago. My Paiste Sigs were purchased when they first hit the market. Thats the beautiful with cymbals. You can get one and the same cymbal to sound like 5 different with different drumstick. Especially with the ride and what tip, wood, size you have on the drumstick....So the myth that "size matters" is true When I want something brighter (in my world), I run with my Sabian HHX series. Fade out fairly quickly and has a nice shine/top. You will not be disappointed with the HHX series. Good luck in cymbaldjungel guitfiddler // Håkan
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Post by javamad on Feb 11, 2020 8:02:31 GMT -6
I have the K’s on the studio kit. Love them. Have used them on pop and rock with no issues. Jazz guys tend to bring their own full kit and cymbals ... so not sure its worth trying to have anything special for them.
I do find the K HiHats a wee bit loud so I am going to get some more options with a lighter sound.
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Post by Ward on Feb 11, 2020 8:47:12 GMT -6
Nothing records better than Zildjian K darks, to my ears . . . although ceratin Sabians and Meinl's are just as good - as long as they're DARK!
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Post by matt@IAA on Feb 11, 2020 10:01:10 GMT -6
I kinda feel like the better the room (and the player), the more tolerance you'll have for bright cymbals.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 11, 2020 10:09:23 GMT -6
I have an AAX V Crash in 16" and it's bright, loud, and fast. My room is not treated in any way but I love this cymbal, I'd like to get an 18" for the right hand side. I think it's more about the player than the room, but of course a disgusting room will drown and rot anything inside of it. That's really kind of a rescue situation anyway. A bad player is tying your hands and throwing you in the deep end already, no matter how the room sounds. But yes, I have heard the drywall square room with ear splitting highs. On the other hand, I have gotten good drum sounds in small tin huts from drummers that can play.
EDIT: A Ping Ride 22" and New Beat Hi Hats don't work in my room, they are so bright that I find them un usable.
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Post by bigbone on Feb 11, 2020 10:37:08 GMT -6
Supposedly the sabian HH series are the same bronze as the zildjian K. Sabian was formed by one of the zildjian family members who, uh, borrowed the bronze formula for the K series. True about the family brother, Bob Zildjian left the company and did get the New brunswick factory that became Sabian. False about the Bronze formula, they sign agreement about the making of cymbals that protect the Zildjian formula.they can't even get close. All the K zildjian family got there unique tone and are great under a microphone. if it doesn't sound good,look at the drummer and not the cymbals with the K....!!!!
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Post by klauth on Feb 11, 2020 11:02:54 GMT -6
Paiste 602 modern essentials, are a solid choice...if your budget allows.
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Post by nudwig on Feb 11, 2020 11:10:50 GMT -6
I'm with you guys on the dark cymbals. I bought some A Avedis high hats and ride for the studio. Hurt to pay that much until I first recorded them, totally worth it.
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Post by junior on Feb 11, 2020 11:30:36 GMT -6
FWIW, I've unloaded most of my Zildjians (mostly A's and K's) and really like the Paiste Giant Beats. Warm, buttery and more focussed than my A's. Youtube has plenty of comparison videos if you look around. Good luck!
EDIT: Forgot to mention I'd choose these for more Rock / Inde styles. For other styles, I might go a different way.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 11, 2020 11:36:42 GMT -6
I played the 2002 24" cymbal and I thought it sounded beautiful and nuanced. Sounds completely different to a K ride though, more bright and shimmery. It will get super loud if you hit it that way, but it doesn't wash out the entire room like some big heavy cymbals will. Just wanted to dump my Paiste experience here. Apparently Giant Beat is the "bonham" ride.
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 11, 2020 11:47:12 GMT -6
This is one of the best sounding Hi-Hats I ever heard. I went to the bank to get the cash to make a deal. Came back and it was gone! Ugh Attachments:
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