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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 7, 2020 23:33:48 GMT -6
I have a question for engineers here who have worked on classical vocal recordings. I continually see setups where a singer is being captured by a stereo pair of microphones, like the photos below of Luciano Pavarotti and Jonas Kaufmann. I’ve seen this set up multiple times. Most recently on Michael Fabiano’s album where he appears to use a pair of M49s. Neither mic is placed directly in front of the singer, they are both about 12” apart with the singer singing down the middle. Pavarotti’s set up has them a bit closer. I’ve done something similar with a small Decca tree setup with a Sennheiser MK20 spot and a pair of earthworks Omni mics as the sides, but never done a recording this way and am curious how this works. What polar patterns would you use? How do you pan these in the mix? Luciano Pavarotti: images.app.goo.gl/zRwNdgujKYhNo5Ay5Jonas Kaufmann: images.app.goo.gl/QoyjefqVH2C2tnoe7 |
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 8, 2020 0:17:44 GMT -6
Pacarotti photo is a pair of schoeps.
When I do stereo spots I never pan 100% l/r. Usually 30-65% depending on the sense of space that I need while maintaining a very centered image.
Also dependent on the musician and how much they move.
I'd guess for Pavarotti though that one is a low gain mic and one is a high gain to give you good detail across his massive dynamic range.
During live recordings though the mains are still capturing 90% of the sound. Spots are just detail and texture
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Post by Hudsonic on Feb 8, 2020 19:35:47 GMT -6
The main benefit of two mics on a singer is that when panned, the engineer can "float" the singer's voice in the stereo picture without the voice sounding "pasted on." For example recording with two mics, the left mic is panned at 8 o'clock and the right mic is panned at 11 o'clock. This gives a phantom image of the voice on the left. Same type of arrangement could be left mic at 4 o'clock and right mic at 1 o'clock. This floats the voice on the right.
The main point is that it is a true stereo pickup and this offers more flexibility in fitting the voice into the mix.
The spacing on the mics can be right close together (touching) on a stereo bar, or separated by, at the most 12 inches.
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Post by aremos on Feb 8, 2020 23:22:42 GMT -6
2 Schoeps on Pavarotti & 1 Schoeps between the 2 M49's on Kaufmann. Wonder if they have the MK-4 capsule?
2 TLM 170's later on.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 13, 2020 21:29:48 GMT -6
Pacarotti photo is a pair of schoeps. When I do stereo spots I never pan 100% l/r. Usually 30-65% depending on the sense of space that I need while maintaining a very centered image. Also dependent on the musician and how much they move. I'd guess for Pavarotti though that one is a low gain mic and one is a high gain to give you good detail across his massive dynamic range. During live recordings though the mains are still capturing 90% of the sound. Spots are just detail and texture That makes a lot of sense. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 13, 2020 21:30:12 GMT -6
The main benefit of two mics on a singer is that when panned, the engineer can "float" the singer's voice in the stereo picture without the voice sounding "pasted on." For example recording with two mics, the left mic is panned at 8 o'clock and the right mic is panned at 11 o'clock. This gives a phantom image of the voice on the left. Same type of arrangement could be left mic at 4 o'clock and right mic at 1 o'clock. This floats the voice on the right. The main point is that it is a true stereo pickup and this offers more flexibility in fitting the voice into the mix. The spacing on the mics can be right close together (touching) on a stereo bar, or separated by, at the most 12 inches. Great info. Thanks. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 13, 2020 23:12:54 GMT -6
Gonna have to throw up both 49s and experiment a little.
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Post by ericn on Feb 14, 2020 18:43:18 GMT -6
Gonna have to throw up both 49s and experiment a little. Always fun to play with but my 2 cents would be to put up something right in front for both psychological reasons and as a safety. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 14, 2020 21:27:11 GMT -6
Gonna have to throw up both 49s and experiment a little. Always fun to play with but my 2 cents would be to put up something right in front for both psychological reasons and as a safety. I’ll just have to throw the 67 in the middle then.  |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 15, 2020 14:56:16 GMT -6
It might be better to use the 67, at the beginning instead. Chris |
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