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Feb 7, 2020 19:26:12 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 7, 2020 19:26:12 GMT -6
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Feb 8, 2020 10:54:19 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 10:54:19 GMT -6
is the ADI-2 FS and ADI-2 Pro FS the same? but the first one is stripped down?
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Feb 8, 2020 11:20:05 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 8, 2020 11:20:05 GMT -6
It’s a little confusing, yes the non pro has fewer features and rme implies sonics are the same, used to be same converters, but I understand the circuits are different and the pro better.
Plus, I believe there is a new pro and DAC with upgraded converters.
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Feb 8, 2020 11:27:15 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 11:27:15 GMT -6
It’s a little confusing, yes the non pro has fewer features and rme implies sonics are the same, used to be same converters, but I understand the circuits are different and the pro better. Plus, I believe there is a new pro and DAC with upgraded converters. it is confusing, there is PRO and then there is new PRO FS (which i wonder is better) i read on RME page that the ADI2 FS has same circuitry as PRO?
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Feb 8, 2020 11:33:57 GMT -6
Post by Guitar on Feb 8, 2020 11:33:57 GMT -6
I think babyface just got a pro FS update too, that's the one I've been sort of looking at
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Feb 8, 2020 11:36:36 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 8, 2020 11:36:36 GMT -6
Yes, I think it did, there is a new promo video I think!
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Feb 8, 2020 11:37:17 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 8, 2020 11:37:17 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 11:44:04 GMT -6
I think babyface just got a pro FS update too, that's the one I've been sort of looking at wel that was very much needed, if they using PRO fs conversion, thats dope, cause the lower end competition is catching up fast using almost same conversion chips.
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Feb 8, 2020 11:49:59 GMT -6
Post by Guitar on Feb 8, 2020 11:49:59 GMT -6
I think babyface just got a pro FS update too, that's the one I've been sort of looking at wel that was very much needed, if they using PRO fs conversion, thats dope, cause the lower end competition is catching up fast using almost same conversion chips. Yeah if a babyface is gonna command double the money of a 'usual' interface it better have every damn thing right about it. UA Arrows are only $300 or so used, I've been thinking about those, too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 13:50:15 GMT -6
The Babyfaces do not sound good but are bricks and work on almost every computer. You're paying for the RME driver programmers and for RME to ship the boards from Germany to China to be screwed into aluminum bricks. They're the most reliable USB powered interface and are awesome for location recording. The Apollo Twins are the same price, more bedroom producer focused, don't work on nearly as many computers, and don't sound particularly great either. Sweetwater reps love to shill them because of the markup and chance to package in UAD plugins.
The newer ADI 2s sound much more detailed and smoother. The dynamics are softened and the presentation is forward and small. Most people I know with good ears who bought them sold them off.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 8, 2020 15:52:39 GMT -6
The Babyfaces do not sound good but are bricks and work on almost every computer. You're paying for the RME driver programmers and for RME to ship the boards from Germany to China to be screwed into aluminum bricks. They're the most reliable USB powered interface and are awesome for location recording. The Apollo Twins are the same price, more bedroom producer focused, don't work on nearly as many computers, and don't sound particularly great either. Sweetwater reps love to shill them because of the markup and chance to package in UAD plugins. The newer ADI 2s sound much more detailed and smoother. The dynamics are softened and the presentation is forward and small. Most people I know with good ears who bought them sold them off. I have heard so many conflicting reports about RME sound quality, I am a little bit skeptical, but I would like to have one here on my own turf for a personal evaluation. My main problem with the UAD Twin was the sheer lack of I/O on those things. I just couldn't do anything with it really. I guess for the modern one vocal everything else DAW originated workflow it ticks that box. I suppose that's why they finally came out with x4 or whatever it's called, for the drummers and small groups and so on. UA Arrow is particularly interesting to me because it seems like a more streamlined Twin at a Focusrite/Presonus price. I won't know until I hear it though I guess. All I have heard are the silver apollos. I'm 2 generations behind already on how they sound.
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Feb 8, 2020 18:38:53 GMT -6
Post by mrholmes on Feb 8, 2020 18:38:53 GMT -6
The Babyfaces do not sound good but are bricks and work on almost every computer. You're paying for the RME driver programmers and for RME to ship the boards from Germany to China to be screwed into aluminum bricks. They're the most reliable USB powered interface and are awesome for location recording. The Apollo Twins are the same price, more bedroom producer focused, don't work on nearly as many computers, and don't sound particularly great either. Sweetwater reps love to shill them because of the markup and chance to package in UAD plugins. The newer ADI 2s sound much more detailed and smoother. The dynamics are softened and the presentation is forward and small. Most people I know with good ears who bought them sold them off. I have heard so many conflicting reports about RME sound quality, I am a little bit skeptical, but I would like to have one here on my own turf for a personal evaluation. My main problem with the UAD Twin was the sheer lack of I/O on those things. I just couldn't do anything with it really. I guess for the modern one vocal everything else DAW originated workflow it ticks that box. I suppose that's why they finally came out with x4 or whatever it's called, for the drummers and small groups and so on. UA Arrow is particularly interesting to me because it seems like a more streamlined Twin at a Focusrite/Presonus price. I won't know until I hear it though I guess. All I have heard are the silver apollos. I'm 2 generations behind already on how they sound.
I use RME since 15 years now.
I can say that I never had an issue except one time recapping.
I could buy the newest generation but I still think the old converters sound great.
AE tracked the Berlin Philharmonics with this, it must be good enough for me.
Some people say the HF range is more detailed with Apogees I can't confirm this, but I am not 22 anymore.
There is a horrible MOTU backstory in my history, the thing literally burned in my studio.
That's why RME stays in my place for the rest of my working life.
I need to get up, start the computer and the thing should run without flaws. This is what I get in 99% of all startups.
RME GEAR is the last thing I have doubts about....
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Post by Guitar on Feb 8, 2020 18:47:29 GMT -6
I sat with an old FF800 for one brief session -- I thought it sounded very good. But I was in an unfamiliar space, not acoustically optimal.
The owner was having problems with the female firewire connectors on the interface. Those things are always trouble though if you are even just a little less than careful. USB B type connectors are even worse. Maybe that's the worst part about those protocols, the uninspiring physical connections.
Everyone I've ever met who owns one raves about the RME's, so I believe you based on that also.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Feb 8, 2020 19:11:48 GMT -6
I sat with an old FF800 for one brief session -- I thought it sounded very good. But I was in an unfamiliar space, not acoustically optimal. The owner was having problems with the female firewire connectors on the interface. Those things are always trouble though if you are even just a little less than careful. USB B type connectors are even worse. Maybe that's the worst part about those protocols, the uninspiring physical connections. Everyone I've ever met who owns one raves about the RME's, so I believe you based on that also. I absolutely love the RME driver stability. The old FF800s were rock solid but I didn't think they sounded very musical (clinical is how i would put it). I ran that and an ADI-8 AE for many years. I always thought that music tracked on my Apogee converters came together more easily. In saying that Apogee drivers were pretty poor in comparison. RME seem very geared towards clean converters. If you hangout on their forums they almost dismiss questions regarding sound quality. I have been looking at the FF802 but I am not convinced of the converter quality for the price. Currently running an RME PCI HDSP card with external converters. Certainly glad they are releasing these FS models. It will keep the competition on their toes.
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Feb 8, 2020 19:15:25 GMT -6
Post by Guitar on Feb 8, 2020 19:15:25 GMT -6
I sat with an old FF800 for one brief session -- I thought it sounded very good. But I was in an unfamiliar space, not acoustically optimal. The owner was having problems with the female firewire connectors on the interface. Those things are always trouble though if you are even just a little less than careful. USB B type connectors are even worse. Maybe that's the worst part about those protocols, the uninspiring physical connections. Everyone I've ever met who owns one raves about the RME's, so I believe you based on that also. I absolutely love the RME driver stability. The old FF800s were rock solid but I didn't think they sounded very musical (clinical is how i would put it). I ran that and an ADI-8 AE for many years. I always thought that music tracked on my Apogee converters came together more easily. In saying that Apogee drivers were pretty poor in comparison. RME seem very geared towards clean converters. If you hangout on their forums they almost dismiss questions regarding sound quality. I have been looking at the FF802 but I am not convinced of the converter quality for the price. Currently running an RME PCI HDSP card with external converters. Certainly glad they are releasing these FS models. It will keep the competition on their toes. Some of their specs have a few extra decimel points on them, compared to other brands. like wow, that really must sound cleaner than anything I've heard. if you can trust those numbers anyway. I guess there's a lot more to the sound and measurement of a converter though besides THD/N.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 8, 2020 19:27:27 GMT -6
I sat with an old FF800 for one brief session -- I thought it sounded very good. But I was in an unfamiliar space, not acoustically optimal. The owner was having problems with the female firewire connectors on the interface. Those things are always trouble though if you are even just a little less than careful. USB B type connectors are even worse. Maybe that's the worst part about those protocols, the uninspiring physical connections. Everyone I've ever met who owns one raves about the RME's, so I believe you based on that also.
It's also a personal thing.
With RME, if there is an issue the stable driver is online before the issue came up on my system. Apogee maybe sounds different or better etc. It's not for me, I need a workhorse.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Feb 8, 2020 19:28:23 GMT -6
I absolutely love the RME driver stability. The old FF800s were rock solid but I didn't think they sounded very musical (clinical is how i would put it). I ran that and an ADI-8 AE for many years. I always thought that music tracked on my Apogee converters came together more easily. In saying that Apogee drivers were pretty poor in comparison. RME seem very geared towards clean converters. If you hangout on their forums they almost dismiss questions regarding sound quality. I have been looking at the FF802 but I am not convinced of the converter quality for the price. Currently running an RME PCI HDSP card with external converters. Certainly glad they are releasing these FS models. It will keep the competition on their toes. Some of their specs have a few extra decimel points on them, compared to other brands. like wow, that really must sound cleaner than anything I've heard. if you can trust those numbers anyway. I guess there's a lot more to the sound and measurement of a converter though besides THD/N. My impression of RME is that they wouldn't fudge with their specs. They come across as more of an engineering company than a marketing company. eg I have seen 100s of focusrite ads on FB & IG but no RME ads.
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Feb 8, 2020 19:30:55 GMT -6
Post by Guitar on Feb 8, 2020 19:30:55 GMT -6
I sat with an old FF800 for one brief session -- I thought it sounded very good. But I was in an unfamiliar space, not acoustically optimal. The owner was having problems with the female firewire connectors on the interface. Those things are always trouble though if you are even just a little less than careful. USB B type connectors are even worse. Maybe that's the worst part about those protocols, the uninspiring physical connections. Everyone I've ever met who owns one raves about the RME's, so I believe you based on that also.
It's also a personal thing.
With RME, if there is an issue the stable driver is online before the issue came up on my system. Apogee maybe sounds different or better etc. It's not for me, I need a workhorse.
I am with you 100%. If something doesn't "work" I am out in a flash. That is priority number one. After that, sound quality becomes more of a critical concern. But in that order.
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 9, 2020 3:09:24 GMT -6
The heart of my studio is RME FF802, augmented with a Focusrite October Clarett. I use both sets of I/O interchangeably. If there is a difference in conversion it certainly isn’t impeding my recordings and mixes. Monitors are hooked to the RME. I had the chance to attend my mastering sessions at Metropolis and Abbey Road. I never thought “oh man, I wish I had used better converters for this mix!”
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Feb 9, 2020 5:48:37 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 9, 2020 5:48:37 GMT -6
Personally, I associate rme with excellence and first rate electronics, rock solid drivers, some of the lowest latency figures etc..
I like the sound of rmes, I have heard and the implication that the adi are super accurate and clean makes a lot of sense for mastering or generally. I don’t want the converters adding colour, seems to me that should be in your mix?
The dilemma for me is choice and price. I can drop a new 2x6se module in my symphony mkii chassis for around $1700, most of the adi, lynx etc are a fair bit more and I am buying an lcd I don’t need ?
I have never seen a used 2x6se card yet and only a couple of the entry level adi.
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Post by stratboy on Feb 9, 2020 9:20:27 GMT -6
I absolutely love the RME driver stability. The old FF800s were rock solid but I didn't think they sounded very musical (clinical is how i would put it). I ran that and an ADI-8 AE for many years. I always thought that music tracked on my Apogee converters came together more easily. In saying that Apogee drivers were pretty poor in comparison. RME seem very geared towards clean converters. If you hangout on their forums they almost dismiss questions regarding sound quality. I have been looking at the FF802 but I am not convinced of the converter quality for the price. Currently running an RME PCI HDSP card with external converters. Certainly glad they are releasing these FS models. It will keep the competition on their toes. Some of their specs have a few extra decimel points on them, compared to other brands. like wow, that really must sound cleaner than anything I've heard. if you can trust those numbers anyway. I guess there's a lot more to the sound and measurement of a converter though besides THD/N. I had a first generation ADI-2 and a FF400. Never a problem with drivers, and the DSP mixer and routing were easy to understand compared to my MOTU 16A. That said, my Svartbox and the 16A were sonic improvements over the RME sonics of that generation. Also, I hot-plugged and therefore toasted the FF interface, rendering the FF400 mostly useless, so I moved on to the MOTU 8A in the same role. $0.02
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 9, 2020 10:18:39 GMT -6
It's also a personal thing.
With RME, if there is an issue the stable driver is online before the issue came up on my system. Apogee maybe sounds different or better etc. It's not for me, I need a workhorse.
I am with you 100%. If something doesn't "work" I am out in a flash. That is priority number one. After that, sound quality becomes more of a critical concern. But in that order. There is another thing... I have to watch out to not get lost in gear talk. Sure manufacturer's want to make us believe newest is best... Can it get any better as with low noise we never had before, and a theoreticall dynamic range of 144 db? Let's face the facts. Yes different brands / designs sound different. Some are more cold, more detailed, deeper wider etc. Is this a big deal for me... no. I heard dramatic differences but those are out of my cost performance range. I can't legitimate 6k converters for what I do. It's not necessary. One last thing, whatever brand you choose ... 2010 I had to expand 16 more IOs I compared the Behringer ADA 8000 vs a tool that was 10 times more expensive. Everyone heard a difference as long as they knew which file was playing... I renamed the files and the differences where gone for all test listeners. That's how bad cheap converters are since we can buy them...
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Post by cyrano on Feb 9, 2020 10:48:41 GMT -6
RME is an engineering company. They design stuff for others too. And those might be names we've never heard of. One of the first design jobs they did was Behringer's ADA8000. At that time, RME didn't even exist yet.
That's one of the things that sets them apart. Marketing isn't important, engineering is.
For me, their driver, TotalMix and DigiCheck make them unique. In fact, my FF400 and it's software has replaced most audio measurement devices.
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Feb 9, 2020 11:12:40 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 9, 2020 11:12:40 GMT -6
I didn’t mean this thread as a for or against discussion I am actively considering some more like mastering converters and the dilemma of AD and DA or just DA and value per price point. And I am questioning the cost benefit, as the symph mkii sounds pretty good to me but I have read the 2x6se difference is discernible and apparent. RME DAC and lcd for $1600 or so vs Apogee top of the line AD and DA for $200 more ?
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Feb 9, 2020 11:26:35 GMT -6
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Post by stratboy on Feb 9, 2020 11:26:35 GMT -6
RME is an engineering company. They design stuff for others too. And those might be names we've never heard of. One of the first design jobs they did was Behringer's ADA8000. At that time, RME didn't even exist yet. That's one of the things that sets them apart. Marketing isn't important, engineering is. For me, their driver, TotalMix and DigiCheck make them unique. In fact, my FF400 and it's software has replaced most audio measurement devices. Yes, they have a nice package of supplemental apps that I miss.
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