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Post by wiz on Feb 2, 2020 2:48:13 GMT -6
I am thinking of ditching some of my patchbays and just wiring the out board comps straight to the inserts on my desk.....
thoughts? Anyone running like that?
cheers
Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2020 3:01:42 GMT -6
With Logic, doesn’t it just make sense, as you can send receive anywhere that is wired with logic utility I/o plug?
Initially, I didn’t install my insert cables, as it seemed redundant or lose the patchbays.
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Post by theshea on Feb 2, 2020 4:37:56 GMT -6
i have logic and since buying a patchbay i am in heaven! so much flexebility with it and logic's i/o plugin comes mixing time. when recording the patchbay gets used a lot
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Post by keymod on Feb 2, 2020 7:00:08 GMT -6
If you have enough comps, why not? It would certainly streamline and clean up some things.
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Post by subspace on Feb 2, 2020 7:45:07 GMT -6
My Audient has insert enable buttons so I put it's insert sends on one bay with compressor inputs half normalled underneath and the compressor outputs on another with the insert returns half normalled underneath them. Works great for the 1176 and KT-2A with no bypass button. When I want to go 1176 > KT-2A, I still have the i/o available to patch on the bay.
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Post by Ward on Feb 2, 2020 10:53:07 GMT -6
nnnnno-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o . . . . . . .
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Post by ericn on Feb 2, 2020 11:29:13 GMT -6
It seams like a great idea till you do it and find yourself behind all your gear trying to track down some cable
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2020 11:30:40 GMT -6
nnnnno-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o . . . . . . . Why nnnnn-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-ot?
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2020 11:33:36 GMT -6
But you wouldn’t be ? 1-2 could be an ssl, so in logic utility I/o plug, you just pick 1-2 on what ever stereo channel you want to send/receive: done?!
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 2, 2020 14:42:02 GMT -6
But you wouldn’t be ? 1-2 could be an ssl, so in logic utility I/o plug, you just pick 1-2 on what ever stereo channel you want to send/receive: done?! He's talking about on an actual console though. Not just from interface. In which case, I'm in team keep your patch bays. As stated above. Half normal them but you'll want stuff to be able to be moveable.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2020 14:51:06 GMT -6
I know, I have the same console and I have mine and patchbays set up like Wiz’s.
If he hardwires his comps to specific inserts, he can just use logic I/O to send/recieve, doesn’t need a patchbay at all.
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Post by drbill on Feb 2, 2020 17:34:32 GMT -6
If you already have the patch bays (sounds like you do), then I see no upside to removing them - unless they are wrecked and/or intermittent. I can see downsides though.... What prompted your desire to remove them? That's the one piece of the puzzle that I feel we have not been informed about.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2020 17:51:52 GMT -6
We know Wiz, chasing sonic recording nirvana or a full house!
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Post by drbill on Feb 2, 2020 17:55:36 GMT -6
We know Wiz, chasing sonic recording nirvana or a full house! ?? I don't get it. Patch bays are neutral unless you have them wired wrong or they are old and crackly. Maybe he has TRS bays? TT bays seem to last forever. Once wired, they're transparently out of the sonic picture. Unless you're a believer in 15 feet of wire sounds different than 30 feet.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 2, 2020 18:20:41 GMT -6
I know, I have the same console and I have mine and patchbays set up like Wiz’s. If he hardwires his comps to specific inserts, he can just use logic I/O to send/recieve, doesn’t need a patchbay at all. its a work flow choice. If you're using a real console, I'd never do it that way. You'd be using logic's I/O to send to a channel on the console. Then use the console to route to gear and places you need it. If you use an analog console and need compressor X and that is hard wired to ch12 then you have to send to just ch12 for that compressor and then you cant change it or add more outboard unless you loop it to another channel. You'll soon be out of channels. The say Subspace mentioned it would be the best way to use patchbays/outboard/DAW. Then your template in your DAW can have things sending to the right channel on the console from the get go with at least one piece of outboard inline ready to go that you usually use. But if you want something different or in addition, just patch it where you need it on the patchbay. Also keeps it very usable for tracking.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2020 18:58:28 GMT -6
Well, it’s Wiz who is asking:) I think he has his console also set up in a dedicated way: really for tracking himself ?
I have 3 Samsung S PB’s and have all my i/o on the PBs, except xlr in’s to my wa273eq, cus it has xlr and instrument ins of FP.
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Post by Ward on Feb 2, 2020 19:05:18 GMT -6
nnnnno-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o . . . . . . . Why nnnnn-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-ot? Because you gain nothing, if you're already using real patchbays, and you lose workflow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 19:12:32 GMT -6
They have the flock patch too, all analog but digitally controlled
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2020 19:13:08 GMT -6
Normally, yes I understand but if one wanted to set things up in a dedicated way: guess that would be the only situation where you don’t absolutely need PB, but you lose all the versatility of the PB?
Think I’d rather keep that and the PBs?
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Post by wiz on Feb 2, 2020 19:36:55 GMT -6
Just thinking out loud.... bored
Nothing particularly pressing
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by notneeson on Feb 2, 2020 20:10:28 GMT -6
Just thinking out loud.... bored Nothing particularly pressing Cheers Wiz You know you could just normal things the way you’d like, and see how you like it. Keeping the patch bay allows you to patch over the normal when you find yourself wanting to try something different at no cost to everyday working ergonomics.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 2, 2020 21:25:07 GMT -6
I know, I have the same console and I have mine and patchbays set up like Wiz’s. If he hardwires his comps to specific inserts, he can just use logic I/O to send/recieve, doesn’t need a patchbay at all. Unless you blow a channel or have a similar problem. Then it's fumbling around behind the console time.
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