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Post by rob61 on Jan 29, 2020 12:05:09 GMT -6
Here is a comparison of 4 tube mics on a male vocalist. No compression or EQ was used. A little reverb was added by request from the artist. All 4 mics went into an AML EZ1073-500 mic preamp. The guitar was recorded separately with a Sennheiser 441. Special thanks to Daniel Peerbolt for sharing his performance and song in making this video! Which do you like best on his voice?
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 29, 2020 12:13:14 GMT -6
For me the Heiserman and MK67 are my favorites. I usually use my MK67 (w/ Neumann BV12) on these kinds of vocalists in my studio, so I’m biased.
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Post by mike on Jan 29, 2020 13:25:44 GMT -6
Thanks for doing this, its great to have examples to reference out there. They all sound good, but I really like the 67!
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jan 29, 2020 13:52:29 GMT -6
Thanks for doing this, its great to have examples to reference out there. They all sound good, but I really like the 67! My favorite as well. By a large margin.
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Post by nick8801 on Jan 29, 2020 19:26:15 GMT -6
Love the Max67 here as well. Gorgeous sound.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 29, 2020 23:22:21 GMT -6
What tube do you have in the MK U67?
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Post by rob61 on Jan 30, 2020 9:19:58 GMT -6
What tube do you have in the MK U67? Siemans EF86
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 30, 2020 12:53:16 GMT -6
I'm enjoying an old 1958 Amperex EF86. It's got more mojo then the Telefunken.
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Post by brenta on Jan 30, 2020 20:02:03 GMT -6
I was already convinced about the Neumann transformer swap but after listening to your and Vincent's clips I'm super convinced. They sound so much better than mine.
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Post by Quint on Jan 30, 2020 20:21:40 GMT -6
I know some people have complained about the Max Mod 67 being too dark or whatever, but every time I hear that mic, it just speaks to me. I need to just break down and find a good deal on a donor mic.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 30, 2020 22:45:05 GMT -6
I know some people have complained about the Max Mod 67 being too dark or whatever, but every time I hear that mic, it just speaks to me. I need to just break down and find a good deal on a donor mic. Don’t forget, the one in this video has the Neumann BV12 and is much more open than the stock Max Mod.
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Post by Quint on Jan 30, 2020 22:51:09 GMT -6
I know some people have complained about the Max Mod 67 being too dark or whatever, but every time I hear that mic, it just speaks to me. I need to just break down and find a good deal on a donor mic. Don’t forget, the one in this video has the Neumann BV12 and is much more open than the stock Max Mod. Regardless of transformer, it still has that "thing" that I like. But I hear what you're saying. I think I would get a stock MaxMod first and then decide if it was worth swapping the transformer.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 30, 2020 23:05:02 GMT -6
The new reissue mode was also very nice, but with the Neumann transformer they are very different animals.
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Post by Quint on Jan 30, 2020 23:21:11 GMT -6
The new reissue mode was also very nice, but with the Neumann transformer they are very different animals. Did you try the BV12 in the older MK67 without the reissue mode or the newer one?
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 31, 2020 6:10:17 GMT -6
No. Just my recent one. I thought the original was too dark, so I sold it.
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Post by Ward on Jan 31, 2020 8:14:51 GMT -6
JMHO!!! The u67 clone is slightly better for his voice than The H47 which still captures the grit better The U87 inner tube has little mojo and doesn’t give me any sense of the singer’s intimacy with the song and finally. Sorry Dave. But the Pearlman just doesn’t work here at all. This is just my opinion. The Heiserman 47 works on big voices. Baritones and dramatic tenors like nobody’s business!! The U67 clone here is very close to a real U67. Probably as close as most people need it to be. And very good for this type of voice. But a few other Mics come to mind also. Like an old C414 and the Neumann-Gefell UM57, and the Josephson 715 ... or an M49. And maybe the singer should be back a little further as well.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 31, 2020 8:44:38 GMT -6
Here is a comparison of 4 tube mics on a male vocalist. No compression or EQ was used. A little reverb was added by request from the artist. All 4 mics went into an AML EZ1073-500 mic preamp. The guitar was recorded separately with a Sennheiser 441. Special thanks to Daniel Peerbolt for sharing his performance and song in making this video! Which do you like best on his voice? Any chance at getting downloadable files so I can pop them into ABXer? Also, I think they all sound good. I was just jumping around on a couple lines (:23, 1:45, 3:07, 4:29 | :58, 2:20, 3:07, 5:04) and realistically don't think it matters much at all which mic you use here. I slightly preferred the Innertube mic, but they're all plenty good.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 31, 2020 13:24:52 GMT -6
And maybe the singer should be back a little further as well. I was thinking that too. In this position the U67 is really in the ideal position. I prefer vocalists pull back a bit more with a 47 or 49 style mic. I’ve been having this issue when comparing my modded MK67 with my FleA 49. They have different sweet spots.
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Post by mike on Jan 31, 2020 14:31:35 GMT -6
Agreed with Vincent that different mic's have different sweet spots, and I know there is no way to win perfectly comparing all mic's by choosing either the setup of same performance with all mic's in a square using one proximity, or choosing individual takes to optimize each mic's sweet spot but losing same performance comparison. Subjectively, I liked the chosen distance proximity for this singer and song to be able to hear the intimacy information of some of the mic's that may be partially lost further back. Really like the singer, song and mic's. sounds great, thanks for doing it!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 31, 2020 14:52:36 GMT -6
I slightly prefer the 67 over the Heiserman, but they were all good. That 67 really had that euphonic, vintage midrange...or maybe it just was rolled off on top a little. The Heiserman sounded fantastic too - but a little more modern.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 31, 2020 16:26:51 GMT -6
I have to listen to all this, after work-before bed. Then check my Lottery Ticket. I want them ALL already! Chris
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Post by chessparov on Feb 1, 2020 12:42:56 GMT -6
My order... 1st) Congrats Heiserman-the "larger than life" choice! 2nd) Runner up-MK67. 3/4th) Toss up between Innertube & Pearlman. All sounded "great". IMHO the Heiserman and MK67 just sounded "greater". BTW Beautiful Tenor voice! Chris P.S.As we all know, the 441 can be a killer vocal mic too! (nice complement to add to any LDC's IMHO)
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Post by drbill on Feb 1, 2020 15:00:24 GMT -6
I slightly prefer the 67 over the Heiserman, but they were all good. That 67 really had that euphonic, vintage midrange...or maybe it just was rolled off on top a little. The Heiserman sounded fantastic too - but a little more modern. John - if that's your preference, you really should try the Heiserman M7 head basket for your H47. At least test it out. It will lean the mic the direction of the 67.
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Post by drbill on Feb 1, 2020 15:14:03 GMT -6
Nice Test. I'd love to know if this is the full production or if there will be other instrumentation - drums, synths, guitars, etc.. Because that would color my choices. For me, if going towards a more pop / denser production, I'd probably have chosen the InnerTube 87. If Singer songwriter - 1 guitar, 1 voice is the final production choice, then yeah, I'd lean towards the MK67. More guitars, maybe piano, but still acoustic, I'd probably choose the Heiserman. One thing that is certain for me - at different sections of the song, I would have chosen different mics with THIS performance. So....good to hear as much as we got to hear.
What this DOES remind me of though is one thing. What a GOOD / Experienced vocalist can do to "perform" a microphone and play it like an instrument instead of just "sitting in front of it and singing". (Not commenting on this performance as it would b impossible when monitoring one mic and playing to it - just commenting on singing in 2020 in general.) I really miss that performance art that I used to see / hear all the time 25 years ago. It seems to be more or less a lost art these days. Fix it in the mix is now the norm. At any rate, any of these mics could have / can work great if the performer works the mic in addition to singing - with maybe the possible exception of the Pearlman. Nice song / voice.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 1, 2020 15:24:34 GMT -6
I slightly prefer the 67 over the Heiserman, but they were all good. That 67 really had that euphonic, vintage midrange...or maybe it just was rolled off on top a little. The Heiserman sounded fantastic too - but a little more modern. John - if that's your preference, you really should try the Heiserman M7 head basket for your H47. At least test it out. It will lean the mic the direction of the 67. Yeah I’ve thought about it. I’m still waiting on the standard PS. I still have the prototype
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