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Post by mike on Jan 27, 2020 10:03:06 GMT -6
I'm looking at a Flea 47 and debating their capsule choice ( f7 or f47 ).
Don't know that I have this right but my impression has been a M7 type cap may have a little more bottom at 200hz and below with a smooth high end at 10khz and is more vintage sounding overall,....... while a K47 has a little bit more body in the mids, a little more presence in the 2-4 khz range, with maybe a little less high end at 10khz, and sounds overall a bit more modern.
Those of you who have used 47 type mic's, which capsule do you prefer and why between a M7 or K47 style cap (or in my case a f7/f47cap) ?
Thanks,
Mike
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 27, 2020 11:01:09 GMT -6
I've preferred kk47's...I'm not an expert on it or anything, but I find the kk47 to be more modern. M7 has less bottom more mids...seems a little brighter and colored.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 27, 2020 12:50:41 GMT -6
Heiserman's K47 is a lovely sounding capsule. But their M7 style capsule was "hands down" a winner on me, at NAMM. Please keep in mind I LOVE the tone of "olde skool" quality ribbons too. Ala 44/77/4038/etc. Sorry, haven't sang/tried a FLEA 47 style microphone yet. Vincent's FLEA 49 does sound awesome though!  Chris |
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Post by adamjbrass on Jan 27, 2020 14:13:29 GMT -6
Heiserman's K47 is a lovely sounding capsule. agreed. I have one in an Innertube audio designed microphone. It sounds amazing |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 27, 2020 16:21:25 GMT -6
I chose the F47 in my FleA 49 after trying both. I thought it was less mids heavy and clearer sounding. jtc111 ’s FleA 47 has the F7 and it sounds great. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 27, 2020 19:11:43 GMT -6
I have the EF12 and F7 in my Flea47. This mic makes me hard.
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Post by plinker on Jan 27, 2020 23:33:15 GMT -6
I put a Heiserman HK47 in my Blackspade UM17 and it's damn nice sounding. Works great in that circuit.
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Post by damoongo on Jan 27, 2020 23:36:25 GMT -6
I have an M7 and K47 for my original U47's. The M7 is slightly more "beautiful" and delicate sounding, and has very slightly more high end. But not less bottom end... It's less authoritative sounding. I use the one equipped with K47 for male vox most. And the M7 for female vox and acoustic guitar and other acoustic instruments. (Usually K47 for cello though...)
But really, either is insanely detailed and rich. I use the M7 when I want the listener to cry. I use the k47 when I want the listener to be overwhelmed by the power. (Subtle but significant difference!)
Not sure what material Flea uses for their M7, but obviously lifespan of PVC is a concern. (Maybe they use mylar? Not sure how M7-like that would be...)
I've heard good things about the Flea mic clones though, but haven't used them.
You won't do wrong by putting a new Neumann k47/49 in there either...
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Post by mike on Jan 28, 2020 9:31:43 GMT -6
I have an M7 and K47 for my original U47's. The M7 is slightly more "beautiful" and delicate sounding, and has very slightly more high end. But not less bottom end... It's less authoritative sounding. I use the one equipped with K47 for male vox most. And the M7 for female vox and acoustic guitar and other acoustic instruments. (Usually K47 for cello though...) But really, either is insanely detailed and rich. I use the M7 when I want the listener to cry. I use the k47 when I want the listener to be overwhelmed by the power. (Subtle but significant difference!)
Thanks for all of the replies , I appreciate it. I don't think you can go wrong with either cap and I know eq can take one where you want to go.
That excellent description above damoongo I think may have nailed exactly what my limited experience has been with both capsule types and also what I've heard on clips. Because my main use will be male vocals I have leaned on the k47 type going in, but most of the Flea 47's I see have the F7 capsule in it it seems that most want, which has made me 2nd guess myself even though I know both caps would work well.
This Video has a flea 48 with their k47/f47 type cap in it after the 3 minute mark on both male and female vocals,...and then has clips of their m7/f7 cap in their 47 after the 5 minute mark to compare. I think it fits damoongo's description above.
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Post by Ward on Jan 28, 2020 19:17:50 GMT -6
Two things., I love my Heiserman 47 Tube with the K47 capsule. It sounds larger than life, just massive in all the U47 ways . . . and yet I tried a 47T with Heiserman 's M7 capsule at NAMM. I was just blown away. It sounded so much like my ancient Neumann-Gefell UM57 it wasn't even funny. Off the charts but with a bigger bottom end. Can't wait to get my new headbasket from tskguy and @mattmdmitch2 with the M7 capsule in it. |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 28, 2020 19:21:52 GMT -6
"Torn between 2 capsules, don't know what to do" "Loving both of you is breaking all the rules" Chris |
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Post by rowmat on Jan 28, 2020 19:51:10 GMT -6
My Flea 47 is fitted with a F7 (M7 design). As I have Neumann U77 fitted with a K67 capsule I didn't see the point of choosing the K47 capsule in the Flea which it appears would be somewhat sonically closer to the K67 than the F7.
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 30, 2020 7:26:20 GMT -6
I got a Flea F47 head basket for my Voxorama 47 and it sounds amazing. Just like my old mint 47. I find M7's sometimes don't always work.
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Post by ericn on Jan 30, 2020 21:38:54 GMT -6
A good sounding great condition M7 is the holy grail, finding one is getting just as difficult. Many reproductions get part of it right, but have yet to find one that completely nails it.
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Post by drbill on Jan 31, 2020 10:25:30 GMT -6
The best remaining M7's are located in Gefell's.
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Post by mike on Jan 31, 2020 12:12:57 GMT -6
The best remaining M7's are located in Gefell's.
I've done a little reading on this but am still learning,........which Gefell Model(s) and years before changes are their best M7 caps? |
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Post by ericn on Jan 31, 2020 12:44:57 GMT -6
The best remaining M7's are located in Gefell's. Yeah but even Gefell doesn’t make them like they use to. |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 31, 2020 12:57:16 GMT -6
A big "M7" shootout would be very cool. Paging Warren Huart and Blackbird! Chris |
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Post by lmnproyect on Dec 26, 2020 21:03:24 GMT -6
I'm looking at a Flea 47 and debating their capsule choice ( f7 or f47 ).
Don't know that I have this right but my impression has been a M7 type cap may have a little more bottom at 200hz and below with a smooth high end at 10khz and is more vintage sounding overall,....... while a K47 has a little bit more body in the mids, a little more presence in the 2-4 khz range, with maybe a little less high end at 10khz, and sounds overall a bit more modern.
Those of you who have used 47 type mic's, which capsule do you prefer and why between a M7 or K47 style cap (or in my case a f7/f47cap) ?
Thanks,
Mike
I already have a Flea 47 with Thiersch M7 Pvc capsule , and beeznees K7 ( K47 model ) capsule, and your description of the M7 vs K47 type is very accurate. M7 can get a little bit boomy in the low mids and has more highs (resulting in a kind of U curve) compared to the K47 that has less lows , richer mids overall and more presence in the upper mids as you said. After testing both capsules alot , i think K47 is more versatile , and i prefer it for my voice (for pop music) , and i think M7 sounds greater in female voices |
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Post by timcampbell on Dec 26, 2020 22:57:52 GMT -6
Welcome Paul.
My own 47 has a K47 capsule in it but we have had U47's with M7's in them and I own a few old M7 capsules for reference.
I myself prefer the K47 but every once in a while you run into a very magical M7.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 26, 2020 23:14:55 GMT -6
I'm looking at a Flea 47 and debating their capsule choice ( f7 or f47 ).
Don't know that I have this right but my impression has been a M7 type cap may have a little more bottom at 200hz and below with a smooth high end at 10khz and is more vintage sounding overall,....... while a K47 has a little bit more body in the mids, a little more presence in the 2-4 khz range, with maybe a little less high end at 10khz, and sounds overall a bit more modern.
Those of you who have used 47 type mic's, which capsule do you prefer and why between a M7 or K47 style cap (or in my case a f7/f47cap) ?
Thanks,
Mike
I already have a Flea 47 with Thiersch M7 Pvc capsule , and beeznees K7 ( K47 model ) capsule, and your description of the M7 vs K47 type is very accurate. M7 can get a little bit boomy in the low mids and has more highs (resulting in a kind of U curve) compared to the K47 that has less lows , richer mids overall and more presence in the upper mids as you said. After testing both capsules alot , i think K47 is more versatile , and i prefer it for my voice (for pop music) , and i think M7 sounds greater in female voices I bet your Flea 47 sounds amazing with the Thiersch Blue Line PVC M7 capsule. My experience w/ the Blue line capsule is great. My blue line capsule is in a custom FET transformer coupled output mic that sounds larger than life thru my RTZ Audio 9762 Dual. Mic even sounds good going in an Apollo interface pre. |
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Post by lmnproyect on Dec 26, 2020 23:57:26 GMT -6
I bet your Flea 47 sounds amazing with the Thiersch Blue Line PVC M7 capsule. My experience w/ the Blue line capsule is great. My blue line capsule is in a custom FET transformer coupled output mic that sounds larger than life thru my RTZ Audio 9762 Dual. Mic even sounds good going in an Apollo interface pre. Yeah, i really like the sound of the Blue line M7 , is just my voice that is very soft , and has a bump in 200hz , and for pop style i always have to cut in 200hz and boost mids at 1.6khz. With the K47 its a little bit more easy to make my voice fit it in the mix. But as Timcampell says , sometimes i reach for the M7 to have that vintage flavor. I definitely keep them both for sure , alongside with my Shure Sm7b that i also love |
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Post by mike on Dec 27, 2020 6:22:04 GMT -6
I'm looking at a Flea 47 and debating their capsule choice ( f7 or f47 ).
Don't know that I have this right but my impression has been a M7 type cap may have a little more bottom at 200hz and below with a smooth high end at 10khz and is more vintage sounding overall,....... while a K47 has a little bit more body in the mids, a little more presence in the 2-4 khz range, with maybe a little less high end at 10khz, and sounds overall a bit more modern.
Those of you who have used 47 type mic's, which capsule do you prefer and why between a M7 or K47 style cap (or in my case a f7/f47cap) ?
Thanks,
Mike
I already have a Flea 47 with Thiersch M7 Pvc capsule , and beeznees K7 ( K47 model ) capsule, and your description of the M7 vs K47 type is very accurate. M7 can get a little bit boomy in the low mids and has more highs (resulting in a kind of U curve) compared to the K47 that has less lows , richer mids overall and more presence in the upper mids as you said. After testing both capsules alot , i think K47 is more versatile , and i prefer it for my voice (for pop music) , and i think M7 sounds greater in female voices
I ended up choosing their f47/k47 cap in my Flea 47 when I bought one, which is a Thiersch cap . Everyone else I know of with a Flea 47 has their f7/M7 type cap in it. I just prefer a k47 more on male vocal is all but they're both good.
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Post by lmnproyect on Dec 27, 2020 11:32:32 GMT -6
I didnt know that Thiersch makes k47 capsules , i only knew about his M7 mylar red line and pvc blue line. I used the M7 blue line in some soul pop sort of vintage flavor that needs that delicate refinement in vocals and sounds wonderfully. Then i tryed the M7 in some reggae roots style songs and i feld the sound of my vocals didnt match the feeling/and sound of the song, M7 was kind of too sophisticated. Then i tried the K47 and sounds better , but the SM7b sounds the best of all in those songs. Sm7b is a very special mic. With these 3 models , i think i cover almost all my needs.
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Post by zonkola on Dec 27, 2020 12:01:33 GMT -6
I chose the HM7 capsule for my Heiserman H47T after listening to comparisons by Johnkenn and Ward , and I've since stopped looking for U47 style mics. Of course that's on my voice for what I do, etc. Like chessparov I'm also a fan of ribbon mics for vocals—the R84 is underrated for this IMO—so there's that. My go-to for acoustic guitar (and it sounds great on most things) is a Gefell UMT70s, which has Gefell's modern M7 capsule. |
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