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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 18, 2020 19:44:29 GMT -6
Hopefully we’ll get some comparison clips at some point... preferably from a third party.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 18, 2020 19:56:24 GMT -6
Barbaric makes a C800-ish mic. Circuit clone, not intended to be a clone of the Sony. FWIW.
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Post by Ward on Jan 18, 2020 20:08:47 GMT -6
Curious. What does the GAP800g cost to make? $400? Where is the 900% markup going?
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Post by EmRR on Jan 18, 2020 20:14:30 GMT -6
Curious. What does the GAP800g cost to make? $400? Where is the 900% markup going? What, with the cooler on it? Then there's gotta be at least $35 in the Rycote suspension.....
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Post by Ward on Jan 18, 2020 20:18:26 GMT -6
Curious. What does the GAP800g cost to make? $400? Where is the 900% markup going? What, with the cooler on it? Then there's gotta be at least $35 in the Rycote suspension..... Maybe guys like cdkelly and tskguy would have a better idea.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 18, 2020 20:37:30 GMT -6
I'll give that GAP a shot tomorrow. Chris
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Post by mike on Jan 18, 2020 21:26:46 GMT -6
I'll give that GAP a shot tomorrow. Chris
As long as you're there Chris, sing through their 47 for your impressions also if you will, I've seen/heard it in the comparison video but have never heard from anyone who sang through one personally. As pointed out earlier, real world experience can sometimes be different than a demo vid/clip.
Thanks and have a good time! Mike
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Post by chessparov on Jan 18, 2020 22:47:07 GMT -6
Thanks Mike. IMHO ANY formerly Low End manufacturer trying to follow in the "47 tube footsteps"... Just has a real hard uphill battle to duke it out with FLEA/Bock/T-Funk/Heiserman. Especially if they're using Chinese capsules. Really luck of the draw then IMHO.
(I'll see if I can figure out GAP's sourcing) Chris
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Post by cdkelly on Jan 18, 2020 23:30:50 GMT -6
What, with the cooler on it? Then there's gotta be at least $35 in the Rycote suspension..... Maybe guys like cdkelly and tskguy would have a better idea. Ok .. What I do know is that it uses a very special type of pcb material that is like 40x the cost of normal silicon. I know they made a good reproduction of the capsule. I know they reproduced the heatpipe technology, I know they sourced some good NOS tubes in France. I know they spent quite a bit on it and made a few tweaks/improvements along the way. I didn't get to hear it yet but everyone who has is loving it! Chad
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Post by yotonic on Jan 19, 2020 0:06:10 GMT -6
Except apparently there are no tubes in this mic.
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Post by raddistribution on Jan 19, 2020 0:12:02 GMT -6
Except apparently there are no tubes in this mic. there must certainly is. nos 6au6a in the mic. Would be a lot easier if there wasn't. The picking proccess is incredibly selective, roughly only 1 of 50 pass our stringent selection process for the tube used in this mic.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 19, 2020 0:12:49 GMT -6
Not 100% sure but seems like the power supply does not look exactly alike & wondering if it has the 2 6AU6A tubes in it. From the Sweetwater site: "After many subjective listening tests comparing a tube rectifying circuit with a solid state one, Golden Age found that they actually preferred the sound of the latter, so this is what they used in the GA-800G. The bonus is that you never need to worry about replacing tubes in the included power supply!" LOL WTF is the point of it then? Especially the cooler.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 19, 2020 0:13:52 GMT -6
Except apparently there are no tubes in this mic. there must certainly is. nos 6au6a in the mic. Would be a lot easier if there wasn't. The picking proccess is incredibly selective, roughly only 1 of 50 pass our stringent selection process for the tube used in this mic. ahh so much be a solid state PSU. That makes sense. Cool cool.
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Post by raddistribution on Jan 19, 2020 0:24:30 GMT -6
Correct. ensuring long term reliability was a major factor in this decision. That and double blind testing taught us in this case that we preferred the sound of the ss psu. there must certainly is. nos 6au6a in the mic. Would be a lot easier if there wasn't. The picking proccess is incredibly selective, roughly only 1 of 50 pass our stringent selection process for the tube used in this mic. ahh so much be a solid state PSU. That makes sense. Cool cool.
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Post by raddistribution on Jan 19, 2020 0:30:50 GMT -6
Tube temperature stability. Technically the more variables you can keep the same in the mic, the more consistent the sound of the mic is. The peltier cooling device keeps the tube at optimal running temp once it warms up. A lot of people look at the fins and think heatsink right away when it actually is an active device that is cooling the tube. From the Sweetwater site: "After many subjective listening tests comparing a tube rectifying circuit with a solid state one, Golden Age found that they actually preferred the sound of the latter, so this is what they used in the GA-800G. The bonus is that you never need to worry about replacing tubes in the included power supply!" LOL WTF is the point of it then? Especially the cooler.
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Post by raddistribution on Jan 19, 2020 0:37:26 GMT -6
Ok .. What I do know is that it uses a very special type of pcb material that is like 40x the cost of normal silicon. I know they made a good reproduction of the capsule. I know they reproduced the heatpipe technology, I know they sourced some good NOS tubes in France. I know they spent quite a bit on it and made a few tweaks/improvements along the way. I didn't get to hear it yet but everyone who has is loving it! Chad yep, rogers ceramic pcbs provide far better thermal isolation between components than epoxy based pcbs normally used as well much lower capacitance.
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Post by mike on Jan 19, 2020 8:35:46 GMT -6
Thanks Mike. IMHO ANY formerly Low End manufacturer trying to follow in the "47 tube footsteps"... Just has a real hard uphill battle to duke it out with FLEA/Bock/T-Funk/Heiserman. Especially if they're using Chinese capsules. Really luck of the draw then IMHO. (I'll see if I can figure out GAP's sourcing) Chris
I think I read their 47 mic capsule design is less of a copy and more of its own thing attempting to blend characteristics of a K47 and K67 capsule. While I don't know the source I'd be interested to hear what they've come up with.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 19, 2020 11:38:12 GMT -6
Nice pic on FB today of the guy who apparently received the first production sa800 in the wild, so they actually are being produced and shipped now.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 19, 2020 11:42:04 GMT -6
I think Martin had or had access to the gap47 a while back, I recall him being very impressed ?
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Post by chessparov on Jan 19, 2020 23:39:05 GMT -6
I finally tried/sang through GAP's version, of the Sony C800G. It's a beautiful sounding microphone. It was the first C800G style, I've ever tried. I was surprised by it's strong proximity effect-in a good way. (I love quality ribbons BTW) I also expected it to accentuate My natural sibilance-it didn't! It has one of the few Chinese made capsules I've ever heard, without any "zing". (The Soundelux U195 & U99 are two other notable exceptions) Chris
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Post by chessparov on Jan 19, 2020 23:48:09 GMT -6
At the same time if the product is right it could substantially boost their credibility. It’s an interesting move, especially with many companies going the other way. ^^^^^^^^^^ IMHO Vincent hit this on the head, right here. BTW no GAP 47 set up at the Show, AFAIK.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 19, 2020 23:50:44 GMT -6
I would expect a GAP vs. AA shootout, to have a ton of interest... Chris
EDIT: Yes GAP vs. AA vs. STAM is even better!
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 20, 2020 0:20:32 GMT -6
I would expect a GAP vs. AA shootout, to have a ton of interest... Chris My guess is if this is truly a microphone worth 4K it will easily best the AA, but the AA will leave people thinking just how good it is at its price point. That was my reaction with the CM49 next to my FleA49, the CM48T next to the FleA47, and the CM67LE next to the MK67. AA has a comparison of their mic next to a real deal C800g on their main page. Just scroll down a little. advancedaudio.caIt’s funny, the C800G has never been on my list. I’ve only seen one artist in my genre use it, the baritone from Il Divo. Still it’s unmistakeable when you hear it. I have debated grabbing BLUE’s new B9 capsule though. That is their take on the C800G for their mic systems.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 20, 2020 0:46:05 GMT -6
Thanks Vincent. IMHO all 3 microphones,on that blind test, sounded pretty close to one another. Chris
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2020 8:50:23 GMT -6
I would expect a GAP vs. AA shootout, to have a ton of interest... Chris Ah why not Stam too as they are shipping and I between in price but much more affordable? I would expect a $4,000 usd mike should sound incredible for that price.
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