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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 8, 2020 15:29:19 GMT -6
Anyone want to explain ARM to me? Can I just choose ARM (accelerated realtime monitoring) for the VI I'm playing? I think the advantage of ARM is the automatic disabling of AU plugins in your signal path to keep everything latency free while you record. If the VI you're using is a UAD plugin then I think you're all set Could just be my mind playing tricks, but I think there’s more latency without arm on. I think they said instruments auto run at 128 buffers? Then if you do arm it’s basically no latency.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 8, 2020 16:58:00 GMT -6
Yes Luna runs at 128 buffer .
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 8, 2020 22:24:57 GMT -6
Do you need an ilok to run Luna? I downloaded Luna on my MacBook Pro with my Apollo 8p and Luna can’t find my interface. I haven’t had time to troubleshoot yet, however OSX and MacBook is compliant. I don’t have the ilok plugged in.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 9, 2020 2:08:28 GMT -6
Yes actual or cloud.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 9, 2020 2:10:38 GMT -6
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Post by sirthought on Apr 9, 2020 2:45:54 GMT -6
But it wasn’t included until...yesterday. Many people - like myself - bought these items and got major value out of them before there was ever a free DAW with zero latency included. I just don’t see it as the greedy corporation stealing from the poor. I never said they were greedy, nor stealing from the poor. Their plugins are great, and the V.I.s look to be as good as any. They've done what they do well there. But they should hold off on the hype and releasing Luna as an avenue to sell more UAD products until it's operating in a way that's not blowing up your computer and actually does the commands they say it will. Not hard to hold off until it's fully working. If they had stuck with Console I would never think less of them. But it does bother me that there have been a large number of requests to fix things within Console that have gone unaddressed for years. Even things that are written about in the manual that it doesn't do. And they've obviously being paying a coder to work on this instead of addressing those. BTW, ARM has to be on for the lower latency, so you have that correct. It's supposed to do the switching on and off for you, managing resources so you can do more with your chips when recording versus mixing and playback.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 9, 2020 3:53:03 GMT -6
Fair enuff, but lots lobbied for the early release !
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 9, 2020 7:22:38 GMT -6
Is there an easy way to apply the Neve summing after doing my tracking and mixes in Logic as I've always done?
I'm in no rush to download this and sit around figuring out a beta release.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 9, 2020 10:35:24 GMT -6
OK - one SD23 track, one mono audio and trying to record a stereo track. Complete hangups and freezes.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 9, 2020 10:42:07 GMT -6
Is there an easy way to apply the Neve summing after doing my tracking and mixes in Logic as I've always done? I'm in no rush to download this and sit around figuring out a beta release. Not necessarily hard. But a little clunky maybe. I think the easiest approach would be once you're set on the mix, output your various groups as stems. (Drums, Bass, Guitar, etc.) Import the stem audio into Luna. Since you can only apply the Neve summing to a bus, you could see if sounds good to you on the master bus, or run each stem into it's own bus with the Neve placed on it. Then print a final from that, or re-record the stems with the summing. I think the summing sounds good. Not sure there aren't tools that can do that, though, available to run in Logic or other DAWs.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 9, 2020 10:53:16 GMT -6
Fair enuff, but lots lobbied for the early release ! Meh, I don't buy that "we released it early because of the high demand." They announced at NAMM a Spring 2020 release. It's Spring. They could have said the development wasn't there and they'd have to adjust the timeline and no one is worse off. Or…not announce at NAMM at all until they knew it was actually ready with all the features to compete with a professional DAW. That would have been the better choice. These high expectations come from their track record of having products that are pretty much in the upper echelon of the audio production market from their release on day one. Bummer to think this isn't that kind of product.
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Post by javamad on Apr 9, 2020 11:19:21 GMT -6
[Pasting this post of mine from the purple site]
Just installed and spent about an hour doing a mix. (I can't record cos I am not in my studio due to lockdown)
I am a Logic user. I was on High Sierra but upgraded to Catalina to be able to demo this.
I am on a mid-2012 MBP i7 quad core with 16Gb Ram
The good: - No problems with iLOK cloud sessions or activations. - Demoed Neve Summing. The low z sounds really great on this rock track .. looking forward to trying more subtle stuff - My pre-existing Studer plugin was correctly converted to Studer extension and sounds great. So does the Oxide - No problem adding Fab Filter AU plugins .. will try some more brands later EDIT: Working AU plugins so far .. AconDigital noise reduction suite, Boz Digital Labs, Oeksound Soothe2, Waves Scheps Omnichannel, Native Instruments plugins, Not quite working so far: SoundRadix DrumLeveler works on the audio but the presets are missing and the gui has a delay of about 2 seconds when showing the waveform passing through it ... this is likely related to the CPU hogging... - Love the Spill feature .. so useful - Switching from Track view to Mix view with a toggle is great as I am on one screen ... I normally have 2 at the studio - Woke up the laptop and hit play and it started pretty much instantly
The not so good - I like to read manuals .. and the online one is a bit skimpy and across several separate pages .. I am sure a full PDF one will come soon - CPU load has the fans going pretty hard even when the application is paused and minimised. I have a single room studio so this background noise would be a showstopper for me to record with Luna unless it was a full noisy band tracking. The mix was 20 tracks of audio with Oxide or Studer and into 8 stereo busses with Neve Summing plus about 5 AUX busses with Studer on them too plus maybe 10 FabFilter plugins (EQ and Reverb) ... so not a huge session. - All plugins being visible is a pain ... Yes the search works .. but still - a 20+ second load time just to load the app then 14 or so to load the mix session (off an external USB drive) - When in the mix window and doing automation of the channel volume you can't see the value until you let go of the mouse .. which is a bit messy if I want to know if I am adding 1db or 2 for example - Keyboard shortcuts not being able to be customised means that with my International keyboard I can't do Cmd + = because = required the shift key ... (were none of the beta testers NON-USA people?) .. this is the chosen key shortcut to toggle between mix and edit.
Overall a great first version. Very responsive GUI-wise on my old-ish machine (despite the CPU usage). Snappy look and feel. Once these initial things get sorted out I could see myself tracking and mixing with this no problem (after I climb the learning curve). __________
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 9, 2020 12:23:39 GMT -6
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Post by telecastertube on Apr 9, 2020 13:13:36 GMT -6
The not so good: No support for hardware inserts (in other words realgear)
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 9, 2020 14:32:12 GMT -6
My Luna update! I smashed my keyboard in frustration, as I let out a hellacious Sabastian Bach scream. Then I moved to my MacBook Pro and Luna can’t locate my Apollo interface! Luna dead in the water here. Contacted UA support, waiting on a response...TBC
In the meantime I am reinstalling a fresh download to see if there was a packet loss issue. I disconnected from WiFi and I’m hard wired now.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 9, 2020 16:27:56 GMT -6
Fair enuff, but lots lobbied for the early release ! Meh, I don't buy that "we released it early because of the high demand." They announced at NAMM a Spring 2020 release. It's Spring. They could have said the development wasn't there and they'd have to adjust the timeline and no one is worse off. Or…not announce at NAMM at all until they knew it was actually ready with all the features to compete with a professional DAW. That would have been the better choice. These high expectations come from their track record of having products that are pretty much in the upper echelon of the audio production market from their release on day one. Bummer to think this isn't that kind of product. I need to back pedal from my effusive praise a little...like I said above, can’t even record two audio tracks with an i7 with 16 gb. I understand I’m using a 2012 Mac Mini, but it was the fastest Mac mini until this year. And come on...three tracks.
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Post by wiz on Apr 9, 2020 16:33:51 GMT -6
Think they will release the neve summing as a plug in?
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Wiz
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Post by popmann on Apr 9, 2020 17:17:57 GMT -6
Think they will release the neve summing as a plug in? Cheers Wiz If they did it properly, it's impossible for them to....if it's just a stereo amplifier distortion plug in, they could on a tech level. Wouldn't hold my breath from a business level. But, my impression is that it changes the summing of Luna. Which isn't a stereo process--it's got to reach back to the output of all the channels FEEDING it...maybe even back as far as the pan pot on the channel output.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 9, 2020 17:30:58 GMT -6
sirthought, not certain why you think Bill’s letter disingenuous or Drew’s comments lacking truth ? Up until quite recently they were not be very explicit and saying no to any early release , then covid hit? I think UA realized there was no way they could do everything they had planned to end of Spring and normal marketing launch and decided to just release what they had as a beta etc., sorts as all. Personally , I thought Bill’s letter very sincere.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 9, 2020 17:38:38 GMT -6
Still sorting issues with UA Tech support. They think my interface wasn't registered and it has been registered from the moment I purchased it and showing registered in my UA account currently. The interface is working when I use the latest V9.11 Console drivers, however when I install Luna that's when things fail to work. Downloading and installing for the third attempt...TBC Luna cannot locate my Apollo 8p and the 8p can't be identified.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 9, 2020 19:54:50 GMT -6
Update! Luna is installed in my MacBook Pro and it recognizes my Apollo 8p, it just might work. I’m getting ready to record some tracks...
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 9, 2020 20:19:14 GMT -6
I closed all applications except for Luna. Now it works like a charm. So weird. I guess Cubase and PTs would stutter and freeze if I had a full session with no freezing at 128. Actually, there’s no way it would work with multiple VIs. I get around it by freezing and staying at 1024 until I need to track midi. That being said, Cubase is better because of the separate buffer. So - I guess it’s pretty impressive that I had SD3, Spitfire Chamber, Neve Summing, and a bunch of plugs including Ozone 9 before it got a little froggy. Once they implement a freeze function it will be great. Being able to not worry about buffers and toggling between two apps is really a great workflow improvement.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 9, 2020 20:53:23 GMT -6
Update! Started up Luna. Everything good! I instantiated the UAD Fender Champ 55 amp into the unison slot of channel one and plugged in my Strat into Hi-z channel one on the Apollo 8p. Played around a little, adjusted and tweaked in a tone with my 62 Fender Custom Shop Strat. I added a tiny bit of verb, sounding nice. I loaded up SD3 on Channel two. I loaded the Nashville Slam preset on SD3 and Luna has a hard crash to desktop...I ran out of time after 3 attempts of rebooting and trying again. Tomorrow I will try again...Goodnight.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 9, 2020 21:02:58 GMT -6
Update! Started up Luna. Everything good! I instantiated the UAD Fender Champ 55 amp into the unison slot of channel one and plugged in my Strat into Hi-z channel one on the Apollo 8p. Played around a little, adjusted and tweaked in a tone with my 62 Fender Custom Shop Strat. I added a tiny bit of verb, sounding nice. I loaded up SD3 on Channel two. I loaded the Nashville Slam preset on SD3 and Luna has a hard crash to desktop...I ran out of time after 3 attempts of rebooting and trying again. Tomorrow I will try again...Goodnight. What’s your computer? I posted my experience on the UAD forum and promptly got a “your computers old...”
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 9, 2020 21:09:30 GMT -6
Update! Started up Luna. Everything good! I instantiated the UAD Fender Champ 55 amp into the unison slot of channel one and plugged in my Strat into Hi-z channel one on the Apollo 8p. Played around a little, adjusted and tweaked in a tone with my 62 Fender Custom Shop Strat. I added a tiny bit of verb, sounding nice. I loaded up SD3 on Channel two. I loaded the Nashville Slam preset on SD3 and Luna has a hard crash to desktop...I ran out of time after 3 attempts of rebooting and trying again. Tomorrow I will try again...Goodnight. What’s your computer? I posted my experience on the UAD forum and promptly got a “your computers old...” I’m using a 15” display MacBook Pro mid 2012 i7 2.3 cpu with 16 gigs of ram. Removed SuperDrive DVD/CD and installed two SSD drives. My system Drive is 480 Gigs and my secondary drive is my Sound Drive for Superior Drummer 3, 1 TB, and I have another external usb3 1 TB drive I record to. This machine smokes with UAD Console and Studio One 4(Latest Version). I haven’t maxed it out yet. It works great with Protools and Studio One. Solid as a rock with the Apollo Interface. Luna, not so much! Bums me out. I thought I would be able to install Luna and I’m off to recording! Lol...yeah, my computers old! I wouldn’t say it’s incapable though. I am wanting to upgrade, but we need to get through this China export first.
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