|
Post by dankin on Mar 20, 2020 23:22:26 GMT -6
The downside of Luna for VIs, like many things UAD....(native, non UAD) software instruments will be MORE latent than using say Cubase because of their built in compensation for UAD stuff. So, you WILL want to use THEIR instruments. Thats interesting, being that the Luna VI's are native. Not sure why 3rd party VI's would have more latency?
|
|
|
Post by sirthought on Mar 21, 2020 0:25:23 GMT -6
Yes. The virtual instruments are all native. If Keyscape is AU, then you can use it with Luna in real time. But it is a good point that you could track MIDI from a band's performance with Ravel and later change to whatever you want.
And according to that video the SHAPE sounds are not sampled, so that organ must be a synthesized simulation.
I'm a hypocrite, because I know there are guitar amps I don't care for and acoustic guitars that don't sound right to me. But when I hear most of the software pianos I don't usually hear a quality that turns me off. Yeah there are some that are supposed to sound different, like a honky tonk upright versus a concert grand, but usually they do the job for me in the mix of a pop song. So to say Keyscape is so much better? I don't even know what qualities to say are there or aren't. Sometimes half the battle is knowing what to listen for. But a lot of you guys go on forever about Iridium and Kemper and U-he and… I don't really ever hear enough difference to worry about it.
I've had bigger issues with getting the right organ sound. A band I work with a lot has a guy who plays a buzzy noisy Wurlitzer parlor organ that sounds cool like none of the others. No software option matches it, which is frustrating because the tracking space is so small that the bleed gets into the other instruments and really is too distracting for a clean recording.
I'm very eager to try Luna and wonder what the hold up is at this point. I guess they want more threads like this to build anticipation before the onslaught of "it doesn't do this or that" in version one.
|
|
|
Post by Guitar on Mar 21, 2020 6:31:17 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure popmann is an experienced keyboard player some I'm not surprised at the being particular about sounds.
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Mar 21, 2020 9:30:01 GMT -6
Just as an aside - I really, really like IK BX3.
|
|
|
Post by Guitar on Mar 21, 2020 9:47:43 GMT -6
Just as an aside - I really, really like IK BX3. The IK stuff has been really impressing me lately. I just installed the new free SampleTank 4 and it's so much better than the old one. The Amplitube stuff is slowly becoming a go-to for me as well.
|
|
|
Post by popmann on Mar 21, 2020 11:40:48 GMT -6
If they're native, why start a new format? Maybe I made the wrong assumption. If I did, then I have ZERO interest in this. What's the attraction? They're not giving them away with the package (ala Logic). If someone is making the argument that those sounds in those clips are BETTER than other options, I'd disagree whole heartedly. On par sound+ running in hardware=better. IMO.
IK's stuff has always been a cut above in the audio plug in space, IMO.
|
|
|
Post by donr on Mar 21, 2020 19:58:35 GMT -6
The downside of Luna for VIs, like many things UAD....(native, non UAD) software instruments will be MORE latent than using say Cubase because of their built in compensation for UAD stuff. So, you WILL want to use THEIR instruments. Thats interesting, being that the Luna VI's are native. Not sure why 3rd party VI's would have more latency? Can't speak, but perhaps because Luna's VI's run on the UAD hardware, like the Unison plugs?
|
|
|
Post by kcatthedog on Mar 22, 2020 5:41:41 GMT -6
There’s no hold up, they said spring of 2020, so that could be last day before summer
|
|
|
Post by dankin on Mar 22, 2020 14:24:28 GMT -6
Thats interesting, being that the Luna VI's are native. Not sure why 3rd party VI's would have more latency? Can't speak, but perhaps because Luna's VI's run on the UAD hardware, like the Unison plugs? They've already stated that the VI's are native. They may be coded in a way that allows them to be more efficient similar to Logic or Ableton built in VI's. Although I think some of the efficiency with Logic plugins, is simply due to how old they are.
|
|
|
Post by donr on Mar 22, 2020 15:09:57 GMT -6
Yeah I didn’t know, haven’t been able to sit through the Luna videos.
|
|
|
Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 22, 2020 15:12:08 GMT -6
My impression is they have integrated the audio and the pointer files. This could be powerful although collaboration could be complicated.
|
|
|
Post by Guitar on Mar 22, 2020 17:44:32 GMT -6
Yeah I'm curious about what the DSP "power" is used for. I don't know a lot about computer architecture but it would be fun to read a breakdown maybe @drew could drop something here.
|
|
|
Post by wiz on Mar 22, 2020 17:52:30 GMT -6
I am really looking forward to the release....
The dynamic allocation of DSP resources during overdubbing being a great one....
cheers
Wiz
|
|
|
Post by kcatthedog on Mar 22, 2020 18:11:12 GMT -6
Your ua plugs and console are still running off I ua dsp, but Luna is separate code from console as are the vi’s,
There is certainly some native processing occurring and the new ability to run some third party plugs in Luna, which suggest Luna can act like a skin and these run natively while UA runs simultaneously on its dsp.
|
|
|
Post by kcatthedog on Mar 31, 2020 17:09:18 GMT -6
So Bill sent an email today about how UA is managing through Covid and stated that Luna will be released in 2 weeks but without the usual launch fanfare.
Nice move UA!
|
|
|
Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 31, 2020 17:15:35 GMT -6
I'm just not all that excited about another DAW. What exactly will Luna do that I can't do now in Logic and Console?
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2020 17:18:46 GMT -6
Whoop Whoop!
|
|
|
Post by sirthought on Apr 1, 2020 1:04:47 GMT -6
I'm just not all that excited about another DAW. What exactly will Luna do that I can't do now in Logic and Console? Probably nothing that you can't do now. Every DAW does the same stuff, but can be a little different. I'm excited to see that since I have Apollo. It'll just be interesting to see their approach of how to manage certain tasks. New ways of organizing things, or having tools appear. But I bet I'll stick with Console and Logic for most of my stuff because all of my templates that I've invested time in. Luna is really a front end for selling the next wave of UA software, but still...if the workflow and editing becomes easier than other things then it could be a worthwhile tool. And easier could mean the ability to open one software app, versus two. I see it developing value over the long term.
|
|
|
Post by guitfiddler on Apr 1, 2020 1:50:55 GMT -6
I’d like to see a nice promotion if you by an Apollo X.
|
|
|
Post by schmalzy on Apr 1, 2020 10:34:12 GMT -6
I plan to implement Luna to some degree provided I can safely update my computer to work with the required OS.
I'd love to have a few different virtual instrument options beyond what I have now. The overall vibe of the communique so far seems to be geared towards easy tracking when inspired (or under-the-gun...it's funny how they're the same thing). I'd love to have an easy-to-use instrument option to get decent sounds quick for writing/producing with artists. Hopefully Luna wants to work with me in that way!
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on Apr 1, 2020 12:38:15 GMT -6
I’m really looking forward to this if for nothing else, just to placate my boredom.
|
|
|
Post by guitfiddler on Apr 1, 2020 13:57:21 GMT -6
I just hope we can buss out multiple tracks to our summing mixers with all that delicious outboard goodness!
|
|
|
Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2020 5:46:25 GMT -6
In the context of a question about costs, Drew stayed at UA forum today that there will be Luna bundles.
Be interesting to see what a full featured Luna rig, will actually cost even if Luna is free ?
|
|
|
Post by sirthought on Apr 2, 2020 6:17:45 GMT -6
Sounds similar to what we might see today. Go to Sweetwater and you can buy an Apollo alone, or in a bundle with three plugins, six plugins, ten, etc. We know that their native "extension" software will be non-DSP plugins. The Oxide Tape, the Studer tape, Neve summing, Ravel piano, etc. will be bundle options with an Apollo.
|
|
|
Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2020 7:00:14 GMT -6
Ya, Luna bundle but sound sleek there wil be more than one?
|
|