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Post by ericn on Mar 5, 2021 17:15:54 GMT -6
Ahh...good info!
If they came out a few months prior to TFunk release, then I might accept the "It was stolen from us". However, 2 years sounds more like "We stole it from them."
Ain't nobody got time fo dat!
There's a company in china that manufactures these mics and various companies buy them and rebrand them as their own. They literally have a catalog you can pick your mic body, headbasket, the finish, the box, etc. You check it off a list and buy a minimum amount of them and they produce them for you. So tele didn't steal anything, but they did have this company alter the product to meet their color scheme, etc. Yeah they got caught, as did a few others saying their OEM mics were modded in the states, but in their defense they needed the cash flow so they could build the expensive stuff😎
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 10, 2021 19:55:45 GMT -6
Their mics sound really good now. They are a bit overpriced though.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 10, 2021 20:33:25 GMT -6
Their FET version, of a C12, looks interesting... Chris
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Post by ericn on Mar 13, 2021 18:43:46 GMT -6
Their FET version, of a C12, looks interesting... Chris We call a FET C12 414!
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Post by Guitar on Mar 14, 2021 9:30:48 GMT -6
That was a big deal when the whole internet collectively realized that Chinese mics were being sold by "big name" vendors, not just Telefunken Elektroacoustic. I seem to remember this big wave of new 'vintage style' microphones coming out, turns out most of them were heavily or partially Chinese looking back. Advanced Audio, Peluso, Telefunken (some models), Cascade, Avantone, etc.
People seemed to get heated about it but there's a better understanding now, I think. Not so much blindsided rage. We seem to be able to discern what we're buying now, thanks to forum investigations.
Some of the Pelusos are still good mics too, although they are also a bit overpriced in 2021.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 14, 2021 16:07:20 GMT -6
That was a big deal when the whole internet collectively realized that Chinese mics were being sold by "big name" vendors, not just Telefunken Elektroacoustic. I seem to remember this big wave of new 'vintage style' microphones coming out, turns out most of them were heavily or partially Chinese looking back. Advanced Audio, Peluso, Telefunken (some models), Cascade, Avantone, etc. People seemed to get heated about it but there's a better understanding now, I think. Not so much blindsided rage. We seem to be able to discern what we're buying now, thanks to forum investigations. Some of the Pelusos are still good mics too, although they are also a bit overpriced in 2021. To me, it’s even moreso about quality of materials. Quality of metals and alloys. I don’t want something with cheap Chinese pot metal.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 14, 2021 16:15:47 GMT -6
That was a big deal when the whole internet collectively realized that Chinese mics were being sold by "big name" vendors, not just Telefunken Elektroacoustic. I seem to remember this big wave of new 'vintage style' microphones coming out, turns out most of them were heavily or partially Chinese looking back. Advanced Audio, Peluso, Telefunken (some models), Cascade, Avantone, etc. People seemed to get heated about it but there's a better understanding now, I think. Not so much blindsided rage. We seem to be able to discern what we're buying now, thanks to forum investigations. Some of the Pelusos are still good mics too, although they are also a bit overpriced in 2021. To me, it’s even moreso about quality of materials. Quality of metals and alloys. I don’t want something with cheap Chinese pot metal. I agree, that was a problem with my Peluso, the metal work wasn't inspirational and had a few small issues. Although the Apex based mics I use now seem pretty good. Fit and finish won't compete with a German made microphone though. It's a little more crudely constructed.
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Post by ericn on Mar 14, 2021 20:53:05 GMT -6
That was a big deal when the whole internet collectively realized that Chinese mics were being sold by "big name" vendors, not just Telefunken Elektroacoustic. I seem to remember this big wave of new 'vintage style' microphones coming out, turns out most of them were heavily or partially Chinese looking back. Advanced Audio, Peluso, Telefunken (some models), Cascade, Avantone, etc. People seemed to get heated about it but there's a better understanding now, I think. Not so much blindsided rage. We seem to be able to discern what we're buying now, thanks to forum investigations. Some of the Pelusos are still good mics too, although they are also a bit overpriced in 2021. To me, it’s even moreso about quality of materials. Quality of metals and alloys. I don’t want something with cheap Chinese pot metal. Besides being terrible for shockmounts Chinese Pot Metal sounds like an interesting new Genre of Asian Hair bands.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 14, 2021 21:05:27 GMT -6
I won't repeat an old southern auto mechanics name for imported asian metal......
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Post by chessparov on Mar 14, 2021 22:02:21 GMT -6
Somehow David Bock scored a stash of Chinese Capsules, for his current U99 and U195... And they sound great-like his QC.
I must admit I prefer the "family sound" of his entire line, to many manufacturers too. (Non-harsh top end/Full bottom) Chris
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Post by roundbadge on Mar 17, 2021 22:29:45 GMT -6
I had the Telefunken reissue 47 for a while. It was a nice mic but I wound up buying an Andreas Grosser Voxorama from Round Badge that was better. I'm using a Bock 47 right now which isn't a vintage type vibe at all but I really like it. Took a while to get the right chain for it. for kicks Bock threw a VF14 he had lying around the shop in that Voxorama.just to see how it would sound. sounded amazing.
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Post by roundbadge on Mar 17, 2021 22:33:30 GMT -6
Ive had so many boutique 47 types over the years I can barely remember them all. I really like the current Tele 47 clone and for a different texture the Wunder suprema. D Bock built me a nice 47 a few years ago.I asked for a rounder more vintage vibe and he did it. He also loaned me a 47 he made with an EF12 tube that sounded great.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 18, 2021 16:49:19 GMT -6
For a few years Ive been eyeing Telefunken microphones (Alchemy Series)... The fact that the capsules are apparently miscellaneous Chinese stock bugs me, especially at the price point. But of course there are so many other important factors to consider... Basically I am trying to figure out how much of the price is markup for a cool logo, and if there are other mics in the 1.5k range (or less) that perform better? So many options these days- Advanced Audio, Warm, 3U, Pearlman, Roswell, Peluso, etc etc. I would not put Pearlman and Warm in the same category.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 18, 2021 17:24:07 GMT -6
Well, as far as I can tell, The Manley Reference Cardioid uses a selected Chinese $50 K-67 capsule, so I wouldn't hold it against Telefunken either. I'm sure they select the good ones for their builds.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 19, 2021 1:34:09 GMT -6
Well, as far as I can tell, The Manley Reference Cardioid uses a selected Chinese $50 K-67 capsule, so I wouldn't hold it against Telefunken either. I'm sure they select the good ones for their builds. Cynic!
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Post by Guitar on Mar 19, 2021 4:47:29 GMT -6
Well, as far as I can tell, The Manley Reference Cardioid uses a selected Chinese $50 K-67 capsule, so I wouldn't hold it against Telefunken either. I'm sure they select the good ones for their builds. Cynic! I'm trying to find the 'secrets'. I want to build some good microphones. From everything I gather, if you can get the 'right' chinese manufactured K-67 you're doing quite well already. They probably don't exactly compare to the finest capsules in the known universe, but they do carry price points of $300, $1,000, $1,500, $3,000 if everything else in the build is done to a high standard. People don't blink, they just enjoy their microphones. I have some vague notion there's a company called Feilo that may or may not sell the capsules to some of these larger brand names, and that they don't sell small numbers to DIY builders. There is also some supposed information that you can buy the T-Bone capsule from Thomann for 50 euros and it's fairly much the same thing, I have no idea. My plan is to continue to do even more research, and then test a few K67 parts from various retailers, see how they compare. I already have two here. One is a 32mm stock Apex capsule that is very good. The other is a 34mm 'generic' capsule from a guy called Chunger that is pretty terrible. So I know I can't just go out and buy anything, there will have to be some evaluation and listening. It's easy to get a good one for $200, but the 'dream' is to find the sub $100 parts that are the 'same thing', if those exist, and I can find them.
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Post by Ward on Mar 19, 2021 6:36:43 GMT -6
Well, as far as I can tell, The Manley Reference Cardioid uses a selected Chinese $50 K-67 capsule, so I wouldn't hold it against Telefunken either. I'm sure they select the good ones for their builds. Or they could just do it the right way like tskguy does at Heiserman and build fantastic period correct capsules.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 19, 2021 7:41:16 GMT -6
Well, as far as I can tell, The Manley Reference Cardioid uses a selected Chinese $50 K-67 capsule, so I wouldn't hold it against Telefunken either. I'm sure they select the good ones for their builds. Or they could just do it the right way like tskguy does at Heiserman and build fantastic period correct capsules. Yes, that is the ultimate but if you use that language, the other mics are "wrong." For a recent example, see the excitement around the Serrano 87. I think there is some place for all of them, although it may be different for every person. At this point, I'm just excited about the "hobby" and looking for cheap ways to build and try new things and learn. A usable studio mic is the ultimate goal but right now I'm just exploring. Not trying to score an Abbey Road gear list spot just yet.
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Post by Ward on Mar 19, 2021 10:17:10 GMT -6
Or they could just do it the right way like tskguy does at Heiserman and build fantastic period correct capsules. Yes, that is the ultimate but if you use that language, the other mics are "wrong." For a recent example, see the excitement around the Serrano 87. I think there is some place for all of them, although it may be different for every person. At this point, I'm just excited about the "hobby" and looking for cheap ways to build and try new things and learn. A usable studio mic is the ultimate goal but right now I'm just exploring. Not trying to score an Abbey Road gear list spot just yet. I get your point, and if I could add one more - Carlos isn't charging $12,000. or even $3600 like Sennheiser is for the 87AI realistically, T-Funk could be (should be?) selling their U47 recreation for $5900
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Post by chessparov on Mar 19, 2021 11:15:36 GMT -6
Bock was smart to make the Soundelux, the Chinese capsule line. Like a high grade Toyota. And "Bock" the Lexus. IMHO T-Funk ought to have a world class capsule maker, ala Eric H./Tim C./David J... To charge their premium prices. Chris P.S. Heiserman Type 19 IMHO is quite the bargain now, when you weigh the factors. ..
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 19, 2021 17:05:05 GMT -6
I'm trying to find the 'secrets'. I want to build some good microphones. From everything I gather, if you can get the 'right' chinese manufactured K-67 you're doing quite well already. They probably don't exactly compare to the finest capsules in the known universe, but they do carry price points of $300, $1,000, $1,500, $3,000 if everything else in the build is done to a high standard. People don't blink, they just enjoy their microphones. I have some vague notion there's a company called Feilo that may or may not sell the capsules to some of these larger brand names, and that they don't sell small numbers to DIY builders. There is also some supposed information that you can buy the T-Bone capsule from Thomann for 50 euros and it's fairly much the same thing, I have no idea. My plan is to continue to do even more research, and then test a few K67 parts from various retailers, see how they compare. I already have two here. One is a 32mm stock Apex capsule that is very good. The other is a 34mm 'generic' capsule from a guy called Chunger that is pretty terrible. So I know I can't just go out and buy anything, there will have to be some evaluation and listening. It's easy to get a good one for $200, but the 'dream' is to find the sub $100 parts that are the 'same thing', if those exist, and I can find them. Satirist!
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Post by plinker on Mar 19, 2021 17:06:43 GMT -6
Well, as far as I can tell, The Manley Reference Cardioid uses a selected Chinese $50 K-67 capsule, so I wouldn't hold it against Telefunken either. I'm sure they select the good ones for their builds. Or they could just do it the right way like tskguy does at Heiserman and build fantastic period correct capsules. Is the HK47 period correct? I bought mine in 2015 and it's kinda bright/clear. I like it, and I'm pretty sure that Heiserman said he tuned his brighter than the originals.
Maybe he switched his tuning since then??
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 19, 2021 17:07:46 GMT -6
Well, as far as I can tell, The Manley Reference Cardioid uses a selected Chinese $50 K-67 capsule, so I wouldn't hold it against Telefunken either. I'm sure they select the good ones for their builds. Or they could just do it the right way like tskguy does at Heiserman and build fantastic period correct capsules. That requires talent and skill.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 19, 2021 17:11:54 GMT -6
Or they could just do it the right way like tskguy does at Heiserman and build fantastic period correct capsules. Yes, that is the ultimate but if you use that language, the other mics are "wrong." For a recent example, see the excitement around the Serrano 87. I think there is some place for all of them, although it may be different for every person. At this point, I'm just excited about the "hobby" and looking for cheap ways to build and try new things and learn. A usable studio mic is the ultimate goal but right now I'm just exploring. Not trying to score an Abbey Road gear list spot just yet. I have no interest in anything as a "hobby" except perhaps cutting opals. And I don't believe in "just" exploring. I DO believe in learning for the sake of knowledge. I just wish I could remember it all... But it's not a "hobby". It's serious.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 19, 2021 17:54:53 GMT -6
"...required talent ad skill". Just like that show Mad Men. Chris
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