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Post by Quint on Sept 10, 2020 10:24:43 GMT -6
I've had one for a couple of months now. Love it. Like thirdeye said, it adds a lot of weight and smoothness to what goes through it. That said, I'm set-and-forget in my approach to my analog mix chain, so I haven't really experimented with it other than adding it just ahead of the Overstayer SVC -> Burl B2, tweaking and then moving on. Certainly wouldn't sell it. Interesting that you place it just before the SVC. I have the SVC and I also use it on mix bus. Were I to get the 609, I had thought that I might primarily use it on the drum bus. I'd be interested in your thoughts on why you like it on the mix bus instead of a drum bus. Also, do you use the 609 for tracking? I definitely would have intentions to use it for tracking as well. Probably on guitar, bass, and vocals more than anything else.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 10, 2020 22:02:52 GMT -6
I've had one for a couple of months now. Love it. Like thirdeye said, it adds a lot of weight and smoothness to what goes through it. That said, I'm set-and-forget in my approach to my analog mix chain, so I haven't really experimented with it other than adding it just ahead of the Overstayer SVC -> Burl B2, tweaking and then moving on. Certainly wouldn't sell it. Interesting that you place it just before the SVC. I have the SVC and I also use it on mix bus. Were I to get the 609, I had thought that I might primarily use it on the drum bus. I'd be interested in your thoughts on why you like it on the mix bus instead of a drum bus. Also, do you use the 609 for tracking? I definitely would have intentions to use it for tracking as well. Probably on guitar, bass, and vocals more than anything else. I don't use it for tracking at all and just recently hard-wired my mix chain now that I've had it in place for a few years. That was due to picking up a Flock and having to make some choices. Anyway, to your point on going into the SVC, both do almost nothing. The SVC gets things to level going in and adds its thing, which is great. The 609 is just a bit of glue before and the meters barely budge. I think my approach to putting it in the mix chain was from using the UA plug so much. I get what you're saying though, it's mostly got a rep from drums. I'm sure if I started cranking it down, it would mess things up quickly. Kind of like the SVC - you can go way too far too easily, but if you respect its pocket, it's the balls. Hope that helps.
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Post by Quint on Sept 10, 2020 22:47:14 GMT -6
Interesting that you place it just before the SVC. I have the SVC and I also use it on mix bus. Were I to get the 609, I had thought that I might primarily use it on the drum bus. I'd be interested in your thoughts on why you like it on the mix bus instead of a drum bus. Also, do you use the 609 for tracking? I definitely would have intentions to use it for tracking as well. Probably on guitar, bass, and vocals more than anything else. I don't use it for tracking at all and just recently hard-wired my mix chain now that I've had it in place for a few years. That was due to picking up a Flock and having to make some choices. Anyway, to your point on going into the SVC, both do almost nothing. The SVC gets things to level going in and adds its thing, which is great. The 609 is just a bit of glue before and the meters barely budge. I think my approach to putting it in the mix chain was from using the UA plug so much. I get what you're saying though, it's mostly got a rep from drums. I'm sure if I started cranking it down, it would mess things up quickly. Kind of like the SVC - you can go way too far too easily, but if you respect its pocket, it's the balls. Hope that helps. Ha. I feel exactly the same way about the SVC. I use it to DESTROY drum room mics, ala 1176 style, during tracking. But during mixing, it's subtleties are nice on mix bus. The SVC is versatile like that. From your description, it sounds like the HA-609 might offer a similar sort of versatility.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 10, 2020 22:58:50 GMT -6
I don't use it for tracking at all and just recently hard-wired my mix chain now that I've had it in place for a few years. That was due to picking up a Flock and having to make some choices. Anyway, to your point on going into the SVC, both do almost nothing. The SVC gets things to level going in and adds its thing, which is great. The 609 is just a bit of glue before and the meters barely budge. I think my approach to putting it in the mix chain was from using the UA plug so much. I get what you're saying though, it's mostly got a rep from drums. I'm sure if I started cranking it down, it would mess things up quickly. Kind of like the SVC - you can go way too far too easily, but if you respect its pocket, it's the balls. Hope that helps. Ha. I feel exactly the same way about the SVC. I use it to DESTROY drum room mics, ala 1176 style, during tracking. But during mixing, it's subtleties are nice on mix bus. The SVC is versatile like that. From your description, it sounds like the HA-609 might offer a similar sort of versatility. The 609 was just really helpful to get things in the pocket, so to speak. On the mix, IMO, it's a "just sounds better" type of piece. I have never really put it through the paces, so I'm not the best reference on it. I love what it does though and if it's out, things are not as good. Totally get that on the SVC though. Things get out of hand quickly with that thing, but it is badass. The MAS is also part of the mix chain as well, before the HA and the SVC.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2020 11:58:37 GMT -6
Im really wanting to try this on the mix bus. This or the smaller one.
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Post by forgotteng on Sept 14, 2020 20:36:21 GMT -6
Guys good information on your preferences for videos. The funny thing is I am in the midst of planning a video that would compare The Stam 609 my Vintech CA609, hopefully this Heritage piece and maybe even a 33609. So I am tuned in.
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Post by Ward on Sept 15, 2020 6:11:25 GMT -6
Guys good information on your preferences for videos. The funny thing is I am in the midst of planning a video that would compare The Stam 609 my Vintech CA609, hopefully this Heritage piece and maybe even a 33609. So I am tuned in. Nice! I'm keenly interested in that. Would you add an audioscape D-Comp to that, or would that be unfair competition? (I'm kidding)
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Post by Quint on Sept 17, 2020 6:42:55 GMT -6
Speaking of the 33609, and its clones, in general, how much of that thick tone is from the I/O transformers and how much is from the compression circuit itself?
In other words, if I were to take, for example, my Overstayer FET, which doesn't have much box tone (but has great compression action for a drum bus) and place a pair of Neve preamps before or after it, how close could I come to approximating the overall thick sound of a 33609?
It's not so much the action, but just the thick tone that I'm talking about. I realize that the FET is not a diode and that the action will be a little different.
I'm still really interested in the Heritage unit, but I'm just trying to prioritize needs/wants and figure out if it would be worth spending the $1800 right now if I can get into similar territory with what I already have.
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Post by Tbone81 on Sept 17, 2020 10:27:04 GMT -6
Speaking of the 33609, and its clones, in general, how much of that thick tone is from the I/O transformers and how much is from the compression circuit itself? In other words, if I were to take, for example, my Overstayer FET, which doesn't have much box tone (but has great compression action for a drum bus) and place a pair of Neve preamps before or after it, how close could I come to approximating the overall thick sound of a 33609? It's not so much the action, but just the thick tone that I'm talking about. I realize that the FET is not a diode and that the action will be a little different. I'm still really interested in the Heritage unit, but I'm just trying to prioritize needs/wants and figure out if it would be worth spending the $1800 right now if I can get into similar territory with what I already have. i don’t have any real experience with a 33069 but I have used 2254’s in a 8048 console, and imho a lot of that tone is the transformers. I’ve been lusting after a pair for just that reason. I do get some really nice tone and saturation from using my AML ez1073’s as hardware inserts, but even with that it’s only like a 1/4 of the tone of going through an actual console.
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Post by Quint on Sept 24, 2020 9:58:41 GMT -6
Speaking of the 33609, and its clones, in general, how much of that thick tone is from the I/O transformers and how much is from the compression circuit itself? In other words, if I were to take, for example, my Overstayer FET, which doesn't have much box tone (but has great compression action for a drum bus) and place a pair of Neve preamps before or after it, how close could I come to approximating the overall thick sound of a 33609? It's not so much the action, but just the thick tone that I'm talking about. I realize that the FET is not a diode and that the action will be a little different. I'm still really interested in the Heritage unit, but I'm just trying to prioritize needs/wants and figure out if it would be worth spending the $1800 right now if I can get into similar territory with what I already have. i don’t have any real experience with a 33069 but I have used 2254’s in a 8048 console, and imho a lot of that tone is the transformers. I’ve been lusting after a pair for just that reason. I do get some really nice tone and saturation from using my AML ez1073’s as hardware inserts, but even with that it’s only like a 1/4 of the tone of going through an actual console. I wonder if Heritage uses the same transformers in the 609 as they use in their preamps? I'm beginning to wonder if I might just be better off, at least for now, just using my Neve clones patched in where I might want to use a 609 and just use my Overstayer for the compression aspect.
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Post by Tbone81 on Sept 24, 2020 10:32:29 GMT -6
i don’t have any real experience with a 33069 but I have used 2254’s in a 8048 console, and imho a lot of that tone is the transformers. I’ve been lusting after a pair for just that reason. I do get some really nice tone and saturation from using my AML ez1073’s as hardware inserts, but even with that it’s only like a 1/4 of the tone of going through an actual console. I wonder if Heritage uses the same transformers in the 609 as they use in their preamps? I'm beginning to wonder if I might just be better off, at least for now, just using my Neve clones patched in where I might want to use a 609 and just use my Overstayer for the compression aspect. If you’ve never done it then yes, I’d highly recommend that you do! It’ll put a nice big smile on your face. My AML ez1073’s are parked on my drum bus. They add a weight and depth that are amazing.
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Post by Quint on Sept 24, 2020 10:55:32 GMT -6
I wonder if Heritage uses the same transformers in the 609 as they use in their preamps? I'm beginning to wonder if I might just be better off, at least for now, just using my Neve clones patched in where I might want to use a 609 and just use my Overstayer for the compression aspect. If you’ve never done it then yes, I’d highly recommend that you do! It’ll put a nice big smile on your face. My AML ez1073’s are parked on my drum bus. They add a weight and depth that are amazing. Oh, I totally have. All the time. I was just trying to basically figure out how much of what I think I would like about having a 609 would come down to the transformers in the 609, versus the actual compression character. If so, I think I might hold off on picking up a 609 since I already have Neve clones that I could use in place of the 609, in combination with one of my other comps.
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Post by Quint on Feb 3, 2021 15:29:29 GMT -6
It looks like the 609 and Successor have each gone up in price by $200.
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Post by thirdeye on Feb 3, 2021 15:38:43 GMT -6
I see B&H still has it for $1799 (for now at least).
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Post by Quint on Feb 3, 2021 15:49:28 GMT -6
I also see that Heritage has released some new products. The Symph, which is some kind of Bax eq, and the 73JR MKII, which adds a variable HPF.
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