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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2019 4:34:33 GMT -6
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 28, 2019 11:38:33 GMT -6
Hmm that's not good
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 28, 2019 11:51:12 GMT -6
I lost track of Avid pricing gimmicks...how many plans do you need? Really? So, if I were to actually come back to Avid and used to pay $99 a year for a perpetual plan, does that mean I have to pay $600 to get my perpetual back? Or I can pay $99 and get my annual $99 subscription back? Confusing? I let my annual lapse last year because I just couldn’t keep paying when other software was free and much better with more features, for me anyway. I still like the platform, but not for that $600 renewal.
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Post by aremos on Nov 28, 2019 12:44:28 GMT -6
For those of us who bought the perpetual license last year ($1K) & don't renew ($400.), what actually happens with what we already have (plug-ins, software, license)?
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Nov 28, 2019 13:45:02 GMT -6
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 28, 2019 19:20:42 GMT -6
For those of us who bought the perpetual license last year ($1K) & don't renew ($400.), what actually happens with what we already have (plug-ins, software, license)? Nothing. The perpetual license never expires. However you won't get any new updates past the year. That's the catch. You need to pay for updates. That used to be a few hundred a year but could be much more expensive now.
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Post by Quint on Nov 28, 2019 19:56:32 GMT -6
For those of us who bought the perpetual license last year ($1K) & don't renew ($400.), what actually happens with what we already have (plug-ins, software, license)? Nothing. The perpetual license never expires. However you won't get any new updates past the year. That's the catch. You need to pay for updates. That used to be a few hundred a year but could be much more expensive now. This all feels like a bunch of bait and switch.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Nov 28, 2019 20:16:11 GMT -6
Cut ties earlier this year. 😁
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Post by yotonic on Nov 28, 2019 22:22:45 GMT -6
I finally dumped Pro Tools last year. Glad I did. I sent them a bill for early termination of my license...
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 29, 2019 7:10:51 GMT -6
Avid sure knows how to run a company in the ground. It’s a shame because I like the software, but just not realistic with the current prices. The days of,”oh you use Protools” are over
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Post by 000 on Nov 29, 2019 7:18:56 GMT -6
From what it seems - this only really affects first time customers right?
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Post by drbill on Nov 29, 2019 9:53:39 GMT -6
I dislike Avid as much as the next guy, but it will take a lot more than something like this to drive me away. In my circles, PT is still the defacto standard.
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Post by Quint on Nov 29, 2019 10:32:35 GMT -6
I dislike Avid as much as the next guy, but it will take a lot more than something like this to drive me away. In my circles, PT is still the defacto standard. That's what Avid is counting on.
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Post by ragan on Nov 29, 2019 10:37:50 GMT -6
From what it seems - this only really affects first time customers right? If you're willing to go into renting Pro Tools from Avid, yeah this won't affect anything other than your first buy-in. I have typically upgraded PT every few years, skipping a version or so. There has always still been an upgrade price for license holders. That's what's going away. If you don't pay for the rental now (and keep it current), you're no different to Avid than someone who's never been a customer at all, you're gonna have to pay the full sticker price. If I had more time, I'd have jumped ship a long time ago. I can't learn a new DAW right now though, too squeezed for time, so I'll keep shelling out increasingly silly money to a company I loathe. And when one of PTs many bugs presents an issue (as they do from time to time), I'll pay another $35 for the privilege of calling their support line. Hooray for Pro Tools.
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Post by drbill on Nov 29, 2019 15:19:30 GMT -6
I dislike Avid as much as the next guy, but it will take a lot more than something like this to drive me away. In my circles, PT is still the defacto standard. That's what Avid is counting on. They can count all they want. When you have the goods, you've got a large captive audience. Whatever. I want Pro Tools, and as long as AVID owns it, I'll be their bi***.
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Post by Quint on Nov 29, 2019 15:54:06 GMT -6
That's what Avid is counting on. They can count all they want. When you have the goods, you've got a large captive audience. Whatever. I want Pro Tools, and as long as AVID owns it, I'll be their bi***. Haha
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Post by trakworxmastering on Dec 2, 2019 11:01:24 GMT -6
For any successful professional studio business, it's really not very much money that we're talking about here. Other overhead costs dwarf these little software subscriptions. Having PT available is a necessity for many studios looking to interface with other studios or work with engineers who use PT.
What's happening is home recordists and small indie studios are abandoning PT, and AVID knows that. Their target customer base is not those people anymore...
But for those of us who always used the higher end PT systems, the fact is that my most recent Native PT system cost me thousands of $ LESS than any of my previous HD/TDM systems ever cost, and it works better than they did. So...
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Post by aremos on Dec 2, 2019 11:41:30 GMT -6
For any successful professional studio business, it's really not very much money that we're talking about here. Other overhead costs dwarf these little software subscriptions. Having PT available is a necessity for many studios looking to interface with other studios or work with engineers who use PT. What's happening is home recordists and small indie studios are abandoning PT, and AVID knows that. Their target customer base is not those people anymore... But for those of us who always used the higher end PT systems, the fact is that my most recent Native PT system cost me thousands of $ LESS than any of my previous HD/TDM systems ever cost, and it works better than they did. So... Generally, how are you using the NATIVE system (interface-converter-i/o's, etc.)?
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Post by trakworxmastering on Dec 2, 2019 17:42:13 GMT -6
For any successful professional studio business, it's really not very much money that we're talking about here. Other overhead costs dwarf these little software subscriptions. Having PT available is a necessity for many studios looking to interface with other studios or work with engineers who use PT. What's happening is home recordists and small indie studios are abandoning PT, and AVID knows that. Their target customer base is not those people anymore... But for those of us who always used the higher end PT systems, the fact is that my most recent Native PT system cost me thousands of $ LESS than any of my previous HD/TDM systems ever cost, and it works better than they did. So... Generally, how are you using the NATIVE system (interface-converter-i/o's, etc.)? Mid 2010 Mac Pro 12 Core, 32GB RAM, High Sierra, Avid Native Card, Pro Tools 2018 Ultimate (need to update software), Burl Mothership and Digi 192 I/O (for digital I/O). Using for mastering and recording/mixing bands. Best system I've had yet. 'Started in 1995 with PT3 TDM, then several replacement HD/TDM rigs between then and 2018 when I finally went Native.
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Post by WKG on Dec 2, 2019 19:57:18 GMT -6
For any successful professional studio business, it's really not very much money that we're talking about here. Other overhead costs dwarf these little software subscriptions. Having PT available is a necessity for many studios looking to interface with other studios or work with engineers who use PT. What's happening is home recordists and small indie studios are abandoning PT, and AVID knows that. Their target customer base is not those people anymore... But for those of us who always used the higher end PT systems, the fact is that my most recent Native PT system cost me thousands of $ LESS than any of my previous HD/TDM systems ever cost, and it works better than they did. So... The problem I have with Avid is not necessarily paying for updates. They reached out and made PT accessible, however incrementally, to home recordists, small studios and I am grateful they did that. Once having lured folks in with a level of investment however they raise that expense for the skinny carrot of bug fixes/updates balanced by the threatening stick of increasing cost if you fail to pay up. Your reward is that they agree to not charge you even more money if you fail to comply, except that they do anyway. I am running on an Ultimate perpetual license. I started on PTLE 5.x, ended up adding the CPTK just to get extra tracks beyond 32. They discontinued that and forced a buy in to Ultimate to maintain a compatibility/update path. Then there came the $399 annual fee for that. Now there's the threat of having to pay full buy in cost if I don't pay my $399. That's mob like, except that if the mob tells you it's for your protection at least you can count on a reasonably trustworthy degree of it. Not so Avid. The issue I have with Avid is that they have become a company that is inherently untrustworthy, dishonest, has little respect for customers and are incapable of managing their own house financially. Their update plans etc are their way of compensating themselves for their conduct. I would love for them to prove differently but I'm not holding my breath. I understand that for people running commercial rooms it's just a necessary cost of doing business. Not everybody is running a full time business though.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Dec 2, 2019 21:04:38 GMT -6
That's what Avid is counting on. They can count all they want. When you have the goods, you've got a large captive audience. Whatever. I want Pro Tools, and as long as AVID owns it, I'll be their bi***. Well said! Every other DAW I've tried lacks the workflow and GUI. I had a perpetual license (still) of 11.3 frozen on a 2012 Mac Mini. If you get a stable machine, back it up, you can easily stretch your PT rig for years without updating. This year I paid $99 for the 2-year license renewal and bought an updated Mac Mini. Now I'm good for a bit.
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Post by drbill on Dec 2, 2019 21:10:56 GMT -6
I usually just let my license lapse and then rebuy it down the road. When I think of how many months / years I've used it, the "monthly" isn't so bad. It's kinda annoying, but whatever. I just ended up re-buying a new version of HDX2 Ultimate license from scratch. I think it was $700 or $800. It's still better than chasing the "upgrade" path every couple of months plan. Rebuying 3 or so years down the road ends up averaging between $15-20 a month. That's really not bad. I mean, how much is the Slate bundle a month? It's got to be close to that and no one seems to complain about their price.....
Long live Pro Tools!!! Avid? Eh.....I'd be happy if they offed PT, but they never will until they sell out completely. It's a cash cow that will keep on giving as long as it exists.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 2, 2019 21:23:34 GMT -6
Too integrated across all major studios. If it tanked, be the wild wild west for a while until the next "standard" DAW took it's place.
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Post by drbill on Dec 2, 2019 22:20:51 GMT -6
Too integrated across all major studios. If it tanked, be the wild wild west for a while until the next "standard" DAW took it's place. Agreed. BTW, just to clarify - by "offed" I meant if they sold it to another company. One can always hope on that front. But I'd HAAAAATTTTEEEEE to see it sit idle or die completely. If they just let it die with their company, myself and countless other studios worldwide would be significantly and negatively affected for quite a long while..... Long live PT!!!
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Post by rocinante on Dec 2, 2019 22:33:37 GMT -6
I gave up on avid two years ago and I don't regret it.
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