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Post by wiz on Nov 28, 2019 2:20:21 GMT -6
Hey Wiz are you using the analog in/out in the Bricasti? I use digital. Analog
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 28, 2019 2:23:35 GMT -6
Hey Wiz are you using the analog in/out in the Bricasti? I use digital. Analog Ah, that would explain the differences in level. I've read some comments from people that think the analog I/O sounds better than the digital. I haven't compared them myself though. If I have some time at the studio I can try posting a comparison as well. It might be useful.
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Post by ragan on Nov 28, 2019 2:59:47 GMT -6
Ah, that would explain the differences in level. I've read some comments from people that think the analog I/O sounds better than the digital. I haven't compared them myself though. If I have some time at the studio I can try posting a comparison as well. It might be useful. I'd certainly love to hear it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2019 4:41:54 GMT -6
Who ever believes what the manufacturer says about how great a plug in is: I don’t, nor do I ever think it will be just like the box. But do we have good, much more affordable plug ins : yes we do and 7th H is one of those good ones. Thanks for posting wiz. I appreciate it. I just always remember cowboy buying a bricasti and selling it relatively quickly due to its cost vs plug quality. I have almost bought one a couple of time’s though !
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 28, 2019 6:25:51 GMT -6
Ok I did it as fast as I could before leaving the studio today. I pulled up a stock drum loop from Logic that was reasonably dry. I sent it to "Studio B Close" on the Bricasti and Seventh Heaven, and printed the output. Apparently I did everything correctly as to print with no latency, which is not as easy as it should when you're in a hurry. Here are the three tracks: www.dropbox.com/s/fhgt67dhzslb049/Bounces.zip?dl=0
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 28, 2019 7:02:00 GMT -6
Jesus Wiz no one claimed it's the M7 but it's the next best thing you can buy in plug in land. I also ABd the BM7 against 7th H. And everybody in the studio came to the conclusion that the plug in sounds wonderful for what it is, and it's not the BM7. It's important to mention that no fake room at all still is king. You know, i am offended by this. Sometimes I wonder why I bother, to go to the trouble of downloading something that is being spruked as this is against the Hardware ..... which costs thousands, which I own and take the trouble to test ... and i was in the process of running off those test... whats the point. I figured people might like to hear the thoughts of someone who actually owns and has used the gear for a few years.... against hyperbole from people who probably have never even seen the real deal. don't worry I shall not make the mistake again Out Wiz
I did not say I don't appreciate your point of view, nor did I say your opinion is not valid. Between the lines you can read that I don't disagree with you a single second. I just say the plug in is cool for what it is, that's all.
Have fun.
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 28, 2019 8:01:20 GMT -6
By the way, if anybody wants to send me a track to run through, just PM me. Maybe someone can send me a vocal and I'll run it through Sunset Chamber.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 28, 2019 8:28:59 GMT -6
By the way, if anybody wants to send me a track to run through, just PM me. Maybe someone can send me a vocal and I'll run it through Sunset Chamber.
I am waiting for the m7 online service
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Nov 28, 2019 10:28:13 GMT -6
Ok I did it as fast as I could before leaving the studio today. I pulled up a stock drum loop from Logic that was reasonably dry. I sent it to "Studio B Close" on the Bricasti and Seventh Heaven, and printed the output. Apparently I did everything correctly as to print with no latency, which is not as easy as it should when you're in a hurry. Here are the three tracks: www.dropbox.com/s/fhgt67dhzslb049/Bounces.zip?dl=0I could not tell the difference in an blind test. Thanks for posting this !
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 28, 2019 10:28:14 GMT -6
PM Sent.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 28, 2019 10:44:37 GMT -6
Ok I did it as fast as I could before leaving the studio today. I pulled up a stock drum loop from Logic that was reasonably dry. I sent it to "Studio B Close" on the Bricasti and Seventh Heaven, and printed the output. Apparently I did everything correctly as to print with no latency, which is not as easy as it should when you're in a hurry. Here are the three tracks: www.dropbox.com/s/fhgt67dhzslb049/Bounces.zip?dl=0
WHOHA in this one it gets hard to tell the difference in blind AB. Special in mix its impossible to tell a difference...
Interesting...
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Post by ragan on Nov 28, 2019 11:54:13 GMT -6
Ok I did it as fast as I could before leaving the studio today. I pulled up a stock drum loop from Logic that was reasonably dry. I sent it to "Studio B Close" on the Bricasti and Seventh Heaven, and printed the output. Apparently I did everything correctly as to print with no latency, which is not as easy as it should when you're in a hurry. Here are the three tracks: www.dropbox.com/s/fhgt67dhzslb049/Bounces.zip?dl=0I'm just on headphones (away from my place for the holiday) but those are very close. Thanks for posting!
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Post by ragan on Nov 28, 2019 11:56:42 GMT -6
So the sale is on (which I'm pumped about). mailchi.mp/liquidsonics/black-friday-sale-now-on?e=22dfbf3a11Anyone know what the scoop is on Illusion? The couple demo videos I just watched sound very good and it seems to cover a lot of ground. That bundle with Lustrous Plates/7th Heaven Pro/Illusion for $299 is attractive. But is Illusion redundant with the other two? Or does Illusion include much of what Lustrous Plates and 7th Heaven bring to the table in itself?
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Post by aremos on Nov 28, 2019 12:47:47 GMT -6
So, should we start with the $49. or get the $179.?
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 28, 2019 13:07:06 GMT -6
I have the Pro version. The cheap one does include most of my go-to presets, but not all of them.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2019 16:35:18 GMT -6
If you have any other their products already, they let you stack the discount coupon in your account on the bf discount price, so I got luscious plates for $59 , normally I think $179 ?
Nice !
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 28, 2019 18:29:13 GMT -6
So I have Slate’s verbsuite Classics which includes an M7 emulation made in conjunction with Liquid Sonics. I’m curious what everyone’s favorite rooms are with seventh heaven or the Bricasti if you have one.
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Post by wiz on Nov 28, 2019 19:07:18 GMT -6
Ok I did it as fast as I could before leaving the studio today. I pulled up a stock drum loop from Logic that was reasonably dry. I sent it to "Studio B Close" on the Bricasti and Seventh Heaven, and printed the output. Apparently I did everything correctly as to print with no latency, which is not as easy as it should when you're in a hurry. Here are the three tracks: www.dropbox.com/s/fhgt67dhzslb049/Bounces.zip?dl=0Thank you for taking the time and posting. I still hear the difference... but its not as prominent because of the close ambience. But if you listen, you can hear less weight and less sense of space. Still a nice sound... and good value Cheers Wiz
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Post by wiz on Nov 28, 2019 19:09:53 GMT -6
Ok I did it as fast as I could before leaving the studio today. I pulled up a stock drum loop from Logic that was reasonably dry. I sent it to "Studio B Close" on the Bricasti and Seventh Heaven, and printed the output. Apparently I did everything correctly as to print with no latency, which is not as easy as it should when you're in a hurry. Here are the three tracks: www.dropbox.com/s/fhgt67dhzslb049/Bounces.zip?dl=0
WHOHA in this one it gets hard to tell the difference in blind AB. Special in mix its impossible to tell a difference...
Interesting...
I don't find it impossible. If you still have the tracks, have another listen and focus on the snare wires... Wiz
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Post by wiz on Nov 28, 2019 19:11:23 GMT -6
You know, i am offended by this. Sometimes I wonder why I bother, to go to the trouble of downloading something that is being spruked as this is against the Hardware ..... which costs thousands, which I own and take the trouble to test ... and i was in the process of running off those test... whats the point. I figured people might like to hear the thoughts of someone who actually owns and has used the gear for a few years.... against hyperbole from people who probably have never even seen the real deal. don't worry I shall not make the mistake again Out Wiz
I did not say I don't appreciate your point of view, nor did I say your opinion is not valid. Between the lines you can read that I don't disagree with you a single second. I just say the plug in is cool for what it is, that's all.
Have fun.
Perhaps its a language barrier. Using "Jesus" at the start of a sentence... is expressing exasperation to a person... as in they are pissing you off Thats how I took it. Wiz
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Post by wiz on Nov 28, 2019 19:19:17 GMT -6
Hey Wiz are you using the analog in/out in the Bricasti? I use digital. Give you analogs a try. I just went back and listened again.. to the Deep Stone in the liquidsonics vs the Bricasti. Try this..... use the deep stone, and take something like a banjo, plucked instrument .... not a full drum kit.... and set up the Send to both as a post pan send in Logic (I think thats what you used) and then solo the reverb return.... .and pan the banjo from left to right and listen to the difference then... I use the analog out puts on my M7 and honestly the difference is extremely significant.... Let me know how this is with the Digital....on yours. Then if you can try it Analog... if you are hearing what I am.. you would certainly go analog. If you can't and want me to do it here for you just ask EDIT ... never mind... 8) I did it there is a difference in volume of about a dB or so, tweak to taste www.dropbox.com/s/31gcmioqtv29ggf/Pan%20test.zip?dl=0Cheers Wiz
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Post by drbill on Nov 28, 2019 21:05:30 GMT -6
The extra bits that the Bricasti brings are worth the $$$$ to me. I've never used another hardware or software verb that I can run an entire mix through - with mixing dry to wet at around 50-60% wet - and have it be better 9 out of 10 times. Studio A. Absolute magic. No other hardware or software can get close to that. It makes pretty much everything sound more "alive" - not more reverberated. Stone Room in Bricasti vs. Stone Room IR's (which I had been using) are what convinced me to buy a Bricasti. If the difference is not significant to someone, or if they don't want to spend the money for the difference, that's 100% OK. Casey @ Bricasti doesn't seem too worried about it. There are many people who the difference is enough to be palpable, who are willing to pay the $$$$.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 29, 2019 6:45:01 GMT -6
WHOHA in this one it gets hard to tell the difference in blind AB. Special in mix its impossible to tell a difference...
Interesting...
I don't find it impossible. If you still have the tracks, have another listen and focus on the snare wires... Wiz Maybe this is true, but who is going to listen to a mix like this. I don't do it.
I spot on the whole picture.
I did not say I don't appreciate your point of view, nor did I say your opinion is not valid. Between the lines you can read that I don't disagree with you a single second. I just say the plug in is cool for what it is, that's all.
Have fun.
Perhaps its a language barrier. Using "Jesus" at the start of a sentence... is expressing exasperation to a person... as in they are pissing you off Thats how I took it. Wiz I had a very bad day alot of pain in my left leg..... sorry for Jesus.... In my language it's not insulting if I use the name of the Lords son. It expresses some impatience, not more.
You know that I love your songs and there is no reason to think I would insult you! I just express my opinion in language that is not my native one. i think I try my best and yes I can run into fine details, things which I can't know. Please also take account of that I suffer from ADD - an autistic thing- and we ADDs have to fight with our self every fucking day. It's not getting easier with age, and yes we can be impatient with our self, and sometimes with others... Sorry again.
My impatience was based on the fact that we again compare one of the nicest Hardware-Reverb 4k$ (Germany) the world has seen against a 200$ plug in.
And LS is not marketing it as M7 copy they say that they try to come close. I think its fair to mention this, and its fair to mention that Casey helped to make the 7thH possible, as far as it gets.
I just say that I have a different perspective.
For me the LS 7th-H is a tool I can get very creative with and it can make some nice room sounds to my ear. And sure I could buy an M7 and I did work with it and it is fascinating but maybe I don't want to swing 4 K.
Maybe I find a nice vacation with the kids more important than the M7? I do, family is more important than studio work.
Just my point of view.... Keep on your great songs I love them....
The extra bits that the Bricasti brings are worth the $$$$ to me. I've never used another hardware or software verb that I can run an entire mix through - with mixing dry to wet at around 50-60% wet - and have it be better 9 out of 10 times. Studio A. Absolute magic. No other hardware or software can get close to that. It makes pretty much everything sound more "alive" - not more reverberated. Stone Room in Bricasti vs. Stone Room IR's (which I had been using) are what convinced me to buy a Bricasti. If the difference is not significant to someone, or if they don't want to spend the money for the difference, that's 100% OK. Casey @ Bricasti doesn't seem too worried about it. There are many people who the difference is enough to be palpable, who are willing to pay the $$$$.
There is a difference maybe it's not important to me.... Important to me is if I can get creative with the plug in and I can. I did put the 7th H. on entire mixes and the plug in gave me depth and dimension which I never heard before in a plug in. I say this is a great deal for 49 bucks vs 4k bucks.
I posted this one 2 years ago and its IMO the best example how much fun I can have with the 7th H plug in. sounds good to me...and is exactly what you advised me to do - strap it across the 2 bus.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/andreasoberholz/hommage-a-lage
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 29, 2019 7:28:08 GMT -6
Somewhere, between the law of diminishing returns or the 80/20 rule. I increasingly find moving the recording goal posts that last few feet, to me costs silly money. Is there a sonic difference: yes: good value: that depends!
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Post by phantom on Nov 29, 2019 7:37:29 GMT -6
On the Deep Stone comparison Wiz posted there is a huge difference, of course. So much that I think the presets are not the same, don’t know why, but I think to a proper comparison one should tweak one of the devices and match by ear. I mean, you can hear from a mile that’s not the same thing.
The Studio B comparison is much closer. They are the same thing. Although I agree with everything Wiz said about lack of Space and Movement on the software, I must say that in this case I wouldn’t care much and would probably save the hardware for a better use and use the software, because they are VERY close.
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