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Post by geoff738 on Nov 9, 2019 12:41:43 GMT -6
Ok, bit the bullet and an Audioscape Vcomp is somewhere between Miami and here. Depending on customs probably here early next week.
My understanding is it’s a Gates inspired design, not sure if it’s a Sta, in particular or what.
So any suggestions on where and how to use this, or mu type designs in general is appreciated.
vocals and bass. I know mixbuss but I’ll only have the single mono unit. Anybody like them on guitars, acoustic or electric? Percussion? How much gain reduction?
The Audioscape has a bypass that still runs through the tubes and transformers and I can foresee that being used a lot, although not a mu thing.
Really looking forward to having this in the rack.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 9, 2019 12:53:09 GMT -6
Not sure if use a Sta on the mixbus...but never tried it. I think the V Comp is a little less of a sonic pillow compared to the Retro version. But that’s a good thing to me. Also doesn’t seem as glassy which is a good thing. The Retro - imo - could be an “either it works or it doesn’t” kind of thing...while this one gives that same fantastic varimu transparent reduction...with maybe a little more sonic transparency.
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Post by notneeson on Nov 9, 2019 12:56:00 GMT -6
My experience of the Manley is that it seems hard to make it sound bad. (Not that I was trying).
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Post by shoe on Nov 9, 2019 19:04:25 GMT -6
I haven't tried the Audioscape, but I use a pair of RS124s. Those are absolutely great on drums, actually. Floor tom, snare, and overheads especially.
Also good for strings and sometimes acoustic guitar.
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Post by hadaja on Nov 9, 2019 20:16:59 GMT -6
I had the dizengoff d864 it had a lot of colour but was finiky and unreliable so i got a Weight Tank. Not quite as coloured but its a great comp and i am happy with the purchase and exceptional service.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 11, 2019 3:55:33 GMT -6
Well. I only have 1 hardware Vari MU - a Retro STA Level (I bought it after brother John K. raved about it) to be honest the Retro feels like cheating when tracking a vocal, I just aim for about 5-7 dB of GR and make sure I use good mic technique and I get this really smooth, warm, larger than life super star vocal.
I love MU comp's they just interact so musically - though personally I'm not keen on Vari MU's on the 2 bus where I normally go for a snappy VCA style comp - but that's a reflection on my musical taste not on Vari MU's.
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Post by drbill on Nov 11, 2019 10:15:07 GMT -6
I'm not sure I would use it on the mix bus, but like John, I've never tried. Bass and Vocals are the logical place, but try it anywhere!!
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Post by EmRR on Nov 11, 2019 10:45:12 GMT -6
It's a Stalevel copy so use it where people use Stalevels, up to and including the original use which is mono bus.
The time constants of vari-mu types are all over the place, so they aren't comparable in that regard. A Stalevel is a low ratio AGC, where others may be limiters with high ratios and very fast attack times. BA-6A has no low ratio or slow attack, while a Stalevel is very slow attack.
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 11, 2019 13:57:20 GMT -6
Yeah I’ve been doing a little reading on these and found that the response did differ quite a bit between the various brands and that there’s a whole lot more mu designs on the market than I would have guessed/knew about and again they can be pretty different apparently. The Manley doesn’t sound like the Pendulum which doesn’t sound like the Sta which doesn’t sound like ...
Still excited to be getting one of these.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 13, 2019 9:08:40 GMT -6
I like the idea of a Sta-Level type compressor that's not quite as heavy handed.
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Post by soundintheround on Nov 13, 2019 9:23:06 GMT -6
I have the Mu in the form of IGS Audio. It's versatile as it has a range of attack and release times. With Sowter/Carnhill and tubes inside, personally I like it on everything.
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Post by audioscape on Nov 14, 2019 18:46:11 GMT -6
Ok, bit the bullet and an Audioscape Vcomp is somewhere between Miami and here. Depending on customs probably here early next week. My understanding is it’s a Gates inspired design, not sure if it’s a Sta, in particular or what. So any suggestions on where and how to use this, or mu type designs in general is appreciated. vocals and bass. I know mixbuss but I’ll only have the single mono unit. Anybody like them on guitars, acoustic or electric? Percussion? How much gain reduction? The Audioscape has a bypass that still runs through the tubes and transformers and I can foresee that being used a lot, although not a mu thing. Really looking forward to having this in the rack. Cheers, Geoff As mentioned in another thread - CONGRATS man! ;-) And of course, thank you for choosing the V-COMP as your first foray into vari-mu compression! As for as 2BUSS duties go - I wouldn't use the V-COMP in that application while applying any actual gain reduction (unless you're doing some type of mono, throw-back / indie thing) BUT using the V-COMP in bypass over a whole mix is indeed VERY sweet sounding. It adds a subtle thickening effect - making things a bit "fatter" sounding without getting tubby and reigns in any harsh high-end VERY nicely. Definitely a super cool way to use the V-COMP! Now, on to the good stuff - well, you've already nailed it! Vocals & BASS GTR = Hard to beat (as far as compression topologies go - this would be totally up to taste obviously) but also try it on big, acoustic guitars! Adds a lovely richness to them and really bring out some of the more woody characteristics of certain acoustic guitars (especially of the vintage variety). I also quite like the V on brass instruments, certain drum shells (again, depending upon genre) and clean electric guitar (thing tele through a fender tweed type of thing). There's so many uses for it and as John pointed out - anything where you want gain reduction but you don't necessarily want it to sound overtly compressed or pumpy. The V-COMPs guts are essentially a 1:1 Gates STA-Level - with added mods that are actually found in the original manual from Gates (download it and read it over for some good historical information!). The biggest difference with the V-COMP are the Recovery Time Constant options, of which, we made the fastest 3 settings even a bit faster than some other units out there. The fastest recovery time works great in Single Mode and Double Mode if not pushed extremely hard. Triple starts to get a bit strange with the 6386 sometimes struggling to keep up (which we affectionately called "Glitch Mode", hahaha) which amounts to a cool, rhythmic gating type effect. Neat as a creative sound! I slap the V on many, many sources but often times in tandem with another compressor - putting "XYZ" compressor first and then following it with the V to add a final coat of sonic sugar, thickness and character. Only exceptions to this would be on Bass GTR and LD Vocals, where more often than not, the V is perfect. I'm guilty of pushing compressors to their limits so it works for me but YMMV! Either way - we're confident you'll find a few sources you'll love it on and it'll likely LIVE on those sources as your "go-to"... but as always, we recommend experimentation and throwing it on anything and everything and listening to what YOU like it on! ;-) My fave combination is a 76A followed by the V-COMP. Mmmmmm.... so many different timbres, colors and tones to be had! Thanks again and enjoy all! Sorry in advance for my rambling, hahahaha
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Nov 14, 2019 19:54:52 GMT -6
Ok, bit the bullet and an Audioscape Vcomp is somewhere between Miami and here. Depending on customs probably here early next week. My understanding is it’s a Gates inspired design, not sure if it’s a Sta, in particular or what. So any suggestions on where and how to use this, or mu type designs in general is appreciated. vocals and bass. I know mixbuss but I’ll only have the single mono unit. Anybody like them on guitars, acoustic or electric? Percussion? How much gain reduction? The Audioscape has a bypass that still runs through the tubes and transformers and I can foresee that being used a lot, although not a mu thing. Really looking forward to having this in the rack. Cheers, Geoff Mine has lived on bass duty. I need to try it on vocals, but that's already handled by the 76A and Opto Comp. With patchbays, things just tend to get set and stay in place. That said, the thing's amazing. You will not be disappointed.
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Post by dmo on Nov 14, 2019 20:36:56 GMT -6
Mine just arrived today, have been following this thread closely - really great advice offered as usual. In the midst of significant changes to my little home set-up so may not really get a chance to explore for a few more weeks - but I'll try to remain patient.
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Post by audioscape on Nov 15, 2019 7:46:31 GMT -6
Ok, bit the bullet and an Audioscape Vcomp is somewhere between Miami and here. Depending on customs probably here early next week. My understanding is it’s a Gates inspired design, not sure if it’s a Sta, in particular or what. So any suggestions on where and how to use this, or mu type designs in general is appreciated. vocals and bass. I know mixbuss but I’ll only have the single mono unit. Anybody like them on guitars, acoustic or electric? Percussion? How much gain reduction? The Audioscape has a bypass that still runs through the tubes and transformers and I can foresee that being used a lot, although not a mu thing. Really looking forward to having this in the rack. Cheers, Geoff Mine has lived on bass duty. I need to try it on vocals, but that's already handled by the 76A and Opto Comp. With patchbays, things just tend to get set and stay in place. That said, the thing's amazing. You will not be disappointed. ;-) Another fave combo of ours around here... 76A into OPTO COMP! Hahaha - thank you man!! And I must agree, as mentioned before my personal V lives on Bass and I'll usually either print or use another (if available) on vocals!! Appreciate the love, as always!
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Post by Ward on Nov 15, 2019 8:44:45 GMT -6
Operating tips in vocal production. The signal chain was a Heiserman 47 tube mic set to cardioid, into an original Focusrite Red pre. Then into an audioscape V-comp FOLLOWED bu the audioscape A76. (half of us believe you smooth then grab the peaks afterwards. :-) Now . . . look at the setting on the V-Comp. The output is Hee-UGE, high, YUGE and biggly for a chain, so what do you do? Get an attenuator. Here are some pictures.
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Post by audioscape on Nov 15, 2019 23:11:40 GMT -6
Operating tips in vocal production. The signal chain was a Heiserman 47 tube mic set to cardioid, into an original Focusrite Red pre. Then into an audioscape V-comp FOLLOWED bu the audioscape A76. (half of us believe you smooth then grab the peaks afterwards. :-) Now . . . look at the setting on the V-Comp. The output is Hee-UGE, high, YUGE and biggly for a chain, so what do you do? Get an attenuator. Here are some pictures. Have a bunch of those AT (and various other) in-line attenuators. Little secret weapon. Thanks for sharing as always, Ward !!!! ;-) Bet that sounds amazing, BTW. ALSO, nothing wrong with smoothing and THEN controlling any stray peaks left over! Different strokes. For me, it's all about the different coloration, vibe, grit and "flavor" you get from pushing one unit into another ! WOOOOO!! Muchas Gracias!
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Post by EmRR on Nov 18, 2019 8:28:09 GMT -6
The output is Hee-UGE, high, YUGE and biggly for a chain, so what do you do? Get an attenuator. Here are some pictures. Have a bunch of those AT (and various other) in-line attenuators. Little secret weapon. Thanks for sharing as always, Ward !!!! ;-) How did you modify the input and output attenuation compared to the original? What is the output control range?
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Post by saltyjames on Nov 18, 2019 17:22:07 GMT -6
Fet-fast, VCA-tight, OPto-not fast or tight, Mu-either subtle / transparent or gluey / spanky
Someone said it above. Of all the types of compressors Mu is the one that has the most character and distinction somehow. Fet sounds like Fet, VCA's sound like VCA's, Opto's sound like Optos, but Mu's have a lot of sounds and feels.
...although I guess you can't really make them sound real fast like a FET, or hard like a VCA.
There is not an instrument I wouldn't use one on - mix dependent.
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 3, 2020 7:35:11 GMT -6
I like the idea of a Sta-Level type compressor that's not quite as heavy handed. The Therminoic Culture Phoenix is utterly fantastic as a vocal compressor, it's exactly that - a STA Level that's not heavy handed. It really is as smooth as silk, perfect for certain genre's and vocals. They're also beyond fantastic on the mix bus, vocals, bass and acoustic guitar .... it's a fantastic Vari-MU compressor. I've used the Mastering Plus version a few times at other peoples studios - not cheap unfortunately. It's definitely on my dream wish list :-)
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