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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 8, 2020 11:24:24 GMT -6
Anybody want to comment how/why the c37 is different than other mics? The midrange?
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2020 11:43:39 GMT -6
Anybody want to comment how/why the c37 is different than other mics? The midrange? The Sony has different take on the mids, some have described it as being slightly compressed others have called it relaxed. While Japanese HI FI has always been about the lows and the highs the pre C800 Sony’s to me always seamed like they were voiced as do everything mics that while I might finder a better fit in a great mic locker, they never really disappointed. I spent far more time with the FET version, and it was always a choice between Sony or C414uls, Sony probably won out except where that honk and brittleness a 414 can bring out worked. The only FET I can think of that I would rather have is the Gefell’s with an M7. I liked the Sony’s in Omni, but not sure that would be deal breaker on these if they really got it right. I don’t think I would choose it on you over your Upton though, that thing just works on you and also takes care of 99% of what you don’t like in your voice.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 8, 2020 12:30:55 GMT -6
IMHO the Upton sounds more modern, in comparison. For example, if John K.was singing a Sinatra Tribute album... I'd pick the Sony/Tonelux. To emphasize "mellowness' or to tame a Hard Rock voice... Sony C37a style! Chris
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2020 12:35:04 GMT -6
IMHO the Upton sounds more modern, in comparison. For example, if John K.was singing a Sinatra Tribute album... I'd pick the Sony/Tonelux. To emphasize "mellowness' or to tame a Hard Rock voice... Sony C37a style! Chris Yeah I can see it, but I have learned what bugs the shit out our fearless benevolent monarch when he hears his own voice.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 8, 2020 12:48:34 GMT -6
Lennon didn't like his voice either. (that Beatles guy-not to be confused with Vladimir or his Sisters ) Chris
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2020 12:55:33 GMT -6
Lennon didn't like his voice either. (that Beatles guy-not to be confused with Vladimir or his Sisters ) Chris Vladimir just killed those who didn’t like his, don’t get any ideas John😎
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 8, 2020 13:42:52 GMT -6
Lennon didn't like his voice either. (that Beatles guy-not to be confused with Vladimir or his Sisters ) Chris By transitive property, that means I'm equal to John Lennon, right?
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Post by chessparov on Apr 8, 2020 13:47:20 GMT -6
I can imagine that Comrade! Chris
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2020 13:51:49 GMT -6
Lennon didn't like his voice either. (that Beatles guy-not to be confused with Vladimir or his Sisters ) Chris By transitive property, that means I'm equal to John Lennon, right? So that means your bigger than Jesus? Umm if it comes with the powers can you do something about this little virus? Then if you got the time I could use a little bit of work here and there, well every where I guess!
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Post by damoongo on Apr 8, 2020 13:56:01 GMT -6
Anybody want to comment how/why the c37 is different than other mics? The midrange? For me, it's the upper end that's the most different. It's more honest and less "exciting" than the Neumann line (generalizing broadly here...). But still has all the air. I don't know if that's attributed to the capsule or the cathode follower design, but it's definitely a different animal. I use it on things where I want to hear the woodiness and not so much the reediness of things. I also use it on things (voices especially) that already sound great at the source. Those voices/instruments that the flattering Neumann sizzle/excitement (normally appreciated) almost detract from the natural beauty of the source. I also love them ORTF on the Steinway...
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Post by Ward on Apr 9, 2020 6:39:15 GMT -6
By transitive property, that means I'm equal to John Lennon, right? So that means your bigger than Jesus? Umm if it comes with the powers can you do something about this little virus? Then if you got the time I could use a little bit of work here and there, well every where I guess! Well, now we're entering a whole level of 'transitive blasphemy'.
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Post by jamiesego on Jun 19, 2020 14:03:08 GMT -6
Anyone have one of these yet? I realized one of the reasons everyone was using C37A’s on overheads in the sixties is probably the low output was better for all the preamps designed for ribbon mics. I’ve been really wanting something a little different for overheads and this seems interesting.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 19, 2020 14:18:11 GMT -6
I realized one of the reasons everyone was using C37A’s on overheads in the sixties is probably the low output was better for all the preamps designed for ribbon mics. Bingo! We have a winner, I think. Though, there are lots of shots of the Wrecking Crew with Sennheiser MKH 404 as overhead.
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Post by jamiesego on Jun 19, 2020 14:45:42 GMT -6
I realized one of the reasons everyone was using C37A’s on overheads in the sixties is probably the low output was better for all the preamps designed for ribbon mics. Bingo! We have a winner, I think. Though, there are lots of shots of the Wrecking Crew with Sennheiser MKH 404 as overhead. Yeah those are pretty affordable right now. I don't know much about them. I see vintage pictures of 47's, 67's, even 666's on overheads in the sixties but C37's and 38's certainly come up a lot. Having never used them I didn't realize they were low output until recently.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 19, 2020 16:07:21 GMT -6
Bingo! We have a winner, I think. Though, there are lots of shots of the Wrecking Crew with Sennheiser MKH 404 as overhead. Yeah those are pretty affordable right now. I don't know much about them. You want to skip MKH 404's because they are unbalanced, and battery powered. MKH 405's should be pretty much the same sound in a balanced T-powered mic, but are 10dB hotter output.
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Post by LazyOldSun on Jun 19, 2020 22:39:48 GMT -6
Wrecking crew photos from Ken Sharp’s book shows both c37a’s and mk404’s used as overhead mics. I could be wrong but it appears the sennheisers replaced the sonys. I helped a musician friend I work with get a pair of mk405’s and he has have been very happy with them. I own an original sony 37a and wish I had a pair. Sort of a ribbon sounding condenser.
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Post by Ward on Jun 20, 2020 7:37:29 GMT -6
IMHO the Upton sounds more modern, in comparison. For example, if John K.was singing a Sinatra Tribute album... I'd pick the Sony/Tonelux. To emphasize "mellowness' or to tame a Hard Rock voice... Sony C37a style! Chris You know what sounds modern? The Telefunken USA 1/2 China AK51 (now the TF51). REALLY over-hyped. Not as sibilant as many I've heard but wow, it's way too much for me.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 20, 2020 10:57:28 GMT -6
I totally understand. FWIW that microphone was oddly/maybe (other than the Copperhead), their best value-for my voice. Also agree it has a very Modern sound. But IMHO I sound best on a microphone, suited for Crooning... Chris
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Post by ericn on Jun 20, 2020 20:07:33 GMT -6
I totally understand. FWIW that microphone was oddly/maybe (other than the Copperhead), their best value-for my voice. Also agree it has a very Modern sound. But IMHO I sound best on a microphone, suited for Crooning... Chris Rule #1 of audio never knock what works!
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Post by drumsound on Jun 21, 2020 0:26:33 GMT -6
I totally understand. FWIW that microphone was oddly/maybe (other than the Copperhead), their best value-for my voice. Also agree it has a very Modern sound. But IMHO I sound best on a microphone, suited for Crooning... Chris Rule #1 of audio never knock what works! Yo!
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