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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 14:47:28 GMT -6
Ordered!!! better be good đź‘Ť
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Post by sirthought on Sept 29, 2019 0:09:48 GMT -6
It's interesting how much more the sound was impacted on the SM7B/57. Soyuz is really upfront that these are the mics they tuned this thing for, but I was surprised at how little it effected the RE-20, which is far from identical to the SM7B, but those two mics I'd park in the same lane of style and application.
The SM7B on the drums was really cool and I do think the Soyuz was a difference maker. I like how it rounds off the high end harshness of the cymbals, but doesn't really lose overall clarity.
This isn't for the person with a lot of gear and options already, This is for someone who already finds the SM7B a big investment for them and they want to get more variety out of that mic. It's not cheap but it does bring out enough that I'd be interested to try it.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 29, 2019 0:44:19 GMT -6
57/58/545 too... Chris
EDIT:3/2/20 First acapellas on The Launcher...
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Post by chessparov on Mar 3, 2020 2:24:32 GMT -6
Well I finally got the Launcher! I was pretty tired when I sang these songs on it tonight. But I reviewed them and they seem OK-for first efforts. I had some bad handling noise on my first take of "Cripple Creek-it was a better performance than the 2nd take here. Due to a crackly XLR cable. Good chance I may eventually upgrade my 58, with the TAB Funkenwerk transformer, to further refine its sound towards SM7-ish. Chris P.S. 2nd and 3rd clips are the same performance of "Bitch Is Back"/Elton. 2nd raw. 3rd Processed.
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Post by iamasound on Mar 3, 2020 16:24:38 GMT -6
A bit distorted?
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Post by chessparov on Mar 3, 2020 16:57:48 GMT -6
Me or the recording(s)? Yes, they weren't my best recorded efforts. But it was fun! Hopefully, those are "before" vocals.; I was trying to use a Character Voice, on "Cripple". Then moderate belting tone on that next one. Rather than my usual choirboy tone. Chris
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Post by stratboy on Mar 3, 2020 18:18:18 GMT -6
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Post by chessparov on Mar 3, 2020 18:51:21 GMT -6
Cool. For clean gain, that's great! Chris
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Post by sirthought on Mar 4, 2020 3:25:53 GMT -6
I own the Durham. It does a good job and the price makes it an easy choice.
Chris, I think you got those vocals too hot or something. I've heard other demos of the Launcher and none have had so much distortion. Maybe that's what you wanted?
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Post by mitchkricun on Mar 25, 2021 8:02:21 GMT -6
I got a Launcher a few months ago. I LOVE it with an SM7b on my vocals. I actually prefer it, for my voice, to some pretty expensive, well known alternatives. Plus, I really have been digging the vibe of just holding the mic in my hand to track vocals. It’s especially convenient when doing stacked harmonies by myself. I just sit in front of my desk and can do 3-6 tracks of each part in minutes. The tone of this box just fits my aesthetic. Makes me super curious to try their mics, which I was already kind of gassing for. My current fave chain is SM7b—Kush Omega Pre—Inward Connections Brute. I actually preferred the Omega to Neve/API/TG Abbey Road/Awtec, etc. for me. Just makes me smile....
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Post by plinker on Mar 25, 2021 11:40:19 GMT -6
It's got a "Secret Analog Circuit"!!!
....but all I see is a transformer.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 25, 2021 11:54:16 GMT -6
It's got a "Secret Analog Circuit"!!! ....but all I see is a transformer. Soyuz has got pretty unique sounding toroidal transformers, though. Maybe that's 98% of the "secret"...
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Post by chessparov on Mar 25, 2021 16:42:54 GMT -6
Judging from my voice, for most singing...
I prefer it on neutral-ish mics, or those on the darker side of the fence. I'm looking forward eventually, to using it also, on a nice Ribbon.
IMHO use of the Launcher, may or may not, be the best choice on a given song. It adds weight and presence. But Drumsound wisely counseled me, sometimes it wasn't the proper choice, when it dominated the natural tone of the voice. I think one example, is the "Cripple Creek," practice vocal clip above. Chris P.S. When appropriate, using the Launcher reduces some need for Vocal Compression, to bring the voice farther out in a Mix.
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Post by srb on Mar 25, 2021 20:35:20 GMT -6
Has anyone used the Crimson Audio 7up with an SM7B? How about the 7up in comparison to a Cloudlifter?
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 26, 2021 8:11:15 GMT -6
Has anyone used the Crimson Audio 7up with an SM7B? How about the 7up in comparison to a Cloudlifter? I think it’s a rebranded Mogain? I love the Mogain, it sounds great on an SM7B, and on all my ribbons.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 26, 2021 8:34:03 GMT -6
Hair restoration too? Chris
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Post by srb on Mar 26, 2021 8:51:15 GMT -6
Has anyone used the Crimson Audio 7up with an SM7B? How about the 7up in comparison to a Cloudlifter? I think it’s a rebranded Mogain? I love the Mogain, it sounds great on an SM7B, and on all my ribbons. That seems a valid assumption. A quick perusal of their respective 'data' sheets finds not much 'data' at all (plenty of sizzle); and no mention of the gain factor for the 7up. Sneaky, sneaky. So, if the 7up is made specifically for the SM7B, where are the notable differences? Is this just a hype job? I've used Cloudlifters for years, and never had any issues. I'm interested to see if the 7up (or Mogaine) is a different/better flavor. You know how all that goes
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 26, 2021 8:58:11 GMT -6
The Crimson is transformer-based, very different from the Cloudlifter. Looking up info I could see the 7up has the same gain, but they claim the input impedance is "optimized" for the SM7. My bet is it's just a rebrand.
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Post by srb on Mar 26, 2021 9:06:28 GMT -6
The Crimson is transformer-based, very different from the Cloudlifter. Looking up info I could see the 7up has the same gain, but they claim the input impedance is "optimized" for the SM7. My bet is it's just a rebrand. I always endeavor to learn something new every day. Mission accomplished! Thanks! I had never looked into the electromechanical workings of the Cloudlifter (which, given my geeky bent, is surprising). It has worked for my needs until GAS compelled me to look at something else. I'm not really interested so much in 'color' (plenty of that here), but in optimized gain.
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Post by matt@IAA on Mar 26, 2021 9:14:24 GMT -6
Optimized gain is about presenting the correct impedance for the amplifier for minimum noise and doing all your gain in one (the first) amplifier. This is why I’m always confused by these products.
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 26, 2021 9:17:03 GMT -6
Optimized gain is about presenting the correct impedance for the amplifier for minimum noise and doing all your gain in one (the first) amplifier. This is why I’m always confused by these products. This was discussed a while ago here too. I think the Mogaine has a slight edge because it gets some “free” transformer gain. I think it’s also useful for ribbons due to the high input impedance and the transformer. Having said that, I’ve tested my SM7 with and without it, into a DAV preamp. It sounds better with it, and not noisier.
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Post by matt@IAA on Mar 26, 2021 10:25:38 GMT -6
TANSTAAFL - there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. If there's passive transformer gain, that means there's a step up, which means impedances are changing. You either have optimum source impedance with the transformer or without it, but it can't be both. If there's an active element you can preserve input and output impedances, but then that amplifier's own noise is now baked in before the preamp.
This doesn't mean it will be subjectively noisy or sound worse or better, though.
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 26, 2021 12:22:44 GMT -6
Thanks for the tech details! Would this be much different from active electronics inside a mic? Probably a better question: do phantom-powered mics usually have active electronics that amplify the signal? Or is the power only used for polarizing the capsule and stuff like that? (not a tech expert!)
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Post by matt@IAA on Mar 26, 2021 13:42:58 GMT -6
Yes, often a FET. The general rule is you want to do all your gain at once, and as soon as possible, and that gain stage should be as quiet as possible. But mics all have different output impedance, and preamps different inputs impedance, so it is no surprise that an impedance changing device with gain will do some audible things, even pleasantly. But there's some degree of impossibility to have a single stage device with high input impedance, low output impedance, and low distortion. I mean at that point what you're describing is a mic preamp. So why two? The only thing I can figure is to cover over issues with noisier preamps, or change the load on the mic in pleasant way vs the mic pre alone. But generally speaking these things would have a few dB noise over not using them. Probably more info than desired can be read here, along with all the various cross-referenced threads.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 26, 2021 16:09:27 GMT -6
All I know is that my 58 plus the Launcher, eats all of your mics for lunch! Chris
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