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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2019 20:46:26 GMT -6
I’ve recently been re-discovering the Pure Boost pedal in front of some of the Kemper amps...IMO, pushing the front gives it more realistic amp tones and response. Also downloaded OS7 and the new effects drill down management is sooo much better.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 11, 2019 23:12:24 GMT -6
I was going to suggest something like this, or the Two-Notes Torpedo with the Kemper. Or just using a loud fullrange monitor or speaker cab in a room with a mic. So much of what's apparentily "missing" with devices like Kemper is sound of the guitar in your own space. Is why the best recorded profiles are the ones that impress, and lesser ones are indifferent. Another aspect is the interaction between the volume of a real amp and the guitar in a room. The acoustic interaction will make a guitar more responsive compared to playing through near field monitors at ear or lease saving volume. I remember Sandy and Glenn Kolotkin tracking Ross playing in the control room of The Automatt through doubled JBL 4311s at near warp volume - as close to warp volume as anybody is gonna get in a control room, anyway - Ross was getting his acoustic feedback, no problem. Of course after a week of guitar overdubs the studio had to send the JBLs in for a recone because they were sounding a bit funny. Not dead, by any means, but derfinitely funny....
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 11, 2019 23:14:12 GMT -6
Pretty much same. I have the DI if I want to re-amp but TH-U has already beaten some real amp tracks in blind ABs with some audio friends and I. That never happened once with the Kemper for us. Kemper offers a whole ‘nother thing though for live/touring. TH-U requires a computer and the resultant audio buffer. OK, I'll have to try the TH-U. I'm really interested in the Roland WAZA box also. Listen to the Billboard Hot 100 and figure out how much of it is real instruments performed in real time. Not much. Not like I'm gonna be competitive on teh (craptastic) Billboard Hot 100 anytime soon, but you'll take my point about totally organic sound, in the sense of the 1950's electric guitar tech. As much as it's still respected and revered by folks like us. I wasn't aware that there was any actual music on the Hot 100 anymore - am I missing something?
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Post by ragan on Sept 11, 2019 23:37:03 GMT -6
I'm gonna try for world peace with my next rig. Do you realize that you could do exactly what you're asking RIGHT NOW....on your iMac? Studio One. Cubase. Apps that use a secondary input buffer. With an Apogee Thunderbolt you could probably set Studio One to 32 samples(at single rate) input permanently and process buffer to 1024 or 2048. That is a better system than PT's global buffer, no doubt. I may jump ship at some point but for the moment I don't have time to learn another DAW.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 12, 2019 0:09:26 GMT -6
Ugh...the Kemper is just soooo quick and easy
There are maybe 10 to 12 guitar tones which I love to play. They are all set up now in my template...
More quick and easy is not possible, just one click away and I hear the sound in my cans...
I never used the Kemeper but the day they showed it to me I disliked the small display.
Ears, not Eyes.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 12, 2019 2:18:08 GMT -6
drbill
HOW TO USE IT
You can load the American Classic library into the Rig Player component, available in any TH-U version: TH-U Full TH-U Rock TH-U Metal TH-U Funk and R&B TH-U Slate Edition
thanks man! Looks like there's no financial penalty to buying one of the cheap versions (probably rock or funk for me) and then "upgrading" at a later time to "full" if I dig it. Will probably do that soon. bp
There is evidence that you will like it.
Its maybe not the answer to everything but to 100% not bad, it sounds a lot like real tracked Amps. I was shocked how many tones reminded me on my time in my teens playing in Blues Bands. The thing is responsive maybe not to 100% like a real Amp but there is tone and play feel, joy.
There are sounds which are burned in my head. IMO they nailed that sound.
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Post by drbill on Sept 12, 2019 10:01:16 GMT -6
thanks man! Looks like there's no financial penalty to buying one of the cheap versions (probably rock or funk for me) and then "upgrading" at a later time to "full" if I dig it. Will probably do that soon. bp
There is evidence that you will like it.
Its maybe not the answer to everything but to 100% not bad, it sounds a lot like real tracked Amps. I was shocked how many tones reminded me on my time in my teens playing in Blues Bands. The thing is responsive maybe not to 100% like a real Amp but there is tone and play feel, joy.
There are sounds which are burned in my head. IMO they nailed that sound.
Awesome! Thanks. To you and others who pointed this one out. I'll be happy if it's better than GuitarRig.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 12, 2019 16:33:59 GMT -6
There are maybe 10 to 12 guitar tones which I love to play. They are all set up now in my template... More quick and easy is not possible, just one click away and I hear the sound in my cans... I never used the Kemeper but the day they showed it to me I disliked the small display.
Ears, not Eyes. Ohhhhhh
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 12, 2019 16:34:40 GMT -6
Boy, I enjoyed watching this...just gonna bite the bullet when the ship comes in.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 12, 2019 18:00:18 GMT -6
Guy sure can play: shit !
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Post by donr on Sept 12, 2019 20:47:40 GMT -6
Boy, I enjoyed watching this...just gonna bite the bullet when the ship comes in. Has anyone listened to the full 24 minutes of that? No doubt AXE-FX is serviceable. No one's gonna listen to your tracks and go, "Heyyy, that's a SIM!" Could be the best of the modeling tech. I don't know if they're using IR's yet, or not. I've heard Rich Williams from Kansas use Axe-FX in concert with good results. I gotta think my fav recorded guitar sounds are great players, guitars and gear, plus a seductive recorded space and the musical engineering talent to capture it all. On software amps, IR's can steer you into that ballpark, because like convolution 'verbs, there's a real space that you're listening to in the software. As far as I understand, the Overloud TH-U software uses Kemper profiling software tech, and can play Kemper profiles. They've gone in a slightly different direction, profiling only amplifiers and relying on cab and mic IR's like Two-Notes and others have done to provide the back end of the sound. Kemper now makes a direct box that goes between an amp and speaker cab to profile only the amp, maybe in response to what Overloud is doing. I've posted on using Kemper profiles with the Two-Notes Torpedo providing cab IR's. I like it. The closer you can get to an organic acoustical recording of an electric instrument, the better I think. Maybe soon, like the UAD Capitol Chambers tech, you'll be able to jack into your interface and put your virtual amp into famous studio amps/spaces to get those sounds on your spare room/home studio recordings. Why not? When the sounds of "chart" music today is mostly manufactured? This week I tracked 5 new tunes with BOC for a 2020 release. Great session. The goal was acoustic drum tracks, but we got bass and some guitars as keepers also. Myself and bassist Danny Miranda were on Kempers to get the drum sound in one room. Danny's first recording expericence with Kemper (Ampeg SVT profile.) He loved it. When the record is released and streaming, tell me here if you think any of the guitar or bass sounds are "flat." : ) Attachments:
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Post by wiz on Sept 13, 2019 2:44:44 GMT -6
That axe effects thingy sounds great
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 13, 2019 5:47:21 GMT -6
Boy, I enjoyed watching this...just gonna bite the bullet when the ship comes in. Has anyone listened to the full 24 minutes of that? No doubt AXE-FX is serviceable. No one's gonna listen to your tracks and go, "Heyyy, that's a SIM!" Could be the best of the modeling tech. I don't know if they're using IR's yet, or not. I've heard Rich Williams from Kansas use Axe-FX in concert with good results. I gotta think my fav recorded guitar sounds are great players, guitars and gear, plus a seductive recorded space and the musical engineering talent to capture it all. On software amps, IR's can steer you into that ballpark, because like convolution 'verbs, there's a real space that you're listening to in the software. As far as I understand, the Overloud TH-U software uses Kemper profiling software tech, and can play Kemper profiles. They've gone in a slightly different direction, profiling only amplifiers and relying on cab and mic IR's like Two-Notes and others have done to provide the back end of the sound. Kemper now makes a direct box that goes between an amp and speaker cab to profile only the amp, maybe in response to what Overloud is doing. I've posted on using Kemper profiles with the Two-Notes Torpedo providing cab IR's. I like it. The closer you can get to an organic acoustical recording of an electric instrument, the better I think. Maybe soon, like the UAD Capitol Chambers tech, you'll be able to jack into your interface and put your virtual amp into famous studio amps/spaces to get those sounds on your spare room/home studio recordings. Why not? When the sounds of "chart" music today is mostly manufactured? This week I tracked 5 new tunes with BOC for a 2020 release. Great session. The goal was acoustic drum tracks, but we got bass and some guitars as keepers also. Myself and bassist Danny Miranda were on Kempers to get the drum sound in one room. Danny's first recording expericence with Kemper (Ampeg SVT profile.) He loved it. When the record is released and streaming, tell me here if you think any of the guitar or bass sounds are "flat." : )
Interesting sometimes I play base too and I always had the Impression that the Stock Ampeg Simulation in Logic sounds pretty good - usable.
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Post by Ward on Sept 13, 2019 20:31:11 GMT -6
Well I enjoyed the shit out of that! Thank you. I am definitely getting an AXFX3 when funds allow
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Post by longscale on Oct 30, 2019 21:05:36 GMT -6
I don't quite know why I took so long to try this but I started putting guitar pedals in front of the Kemper. I've found a few that I enjoy using. Doing this triggered a little more sound creation activity for me in an organic sort of way. Perhaps it is simply comfort zone, where I'm used to screwing with pedals and analog knobs. I do however think it changes the Kemper game for me in that I'm modifying the profile sounds more.
I can 2nd that Bass tones with the Kemper are sweet.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 30, 2019 21:33:53 GMT -6
I’ve kind’ve come to terms with liking the Kemper again lol. But I put myself on the list for the AxeFX FM3 which is their thousand dollar pedal version.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Oct 31, 2019 2:00:10 GMT -6
I’ve kind’ve come to terms with liking the Kemper again lol. But I put myself on the list for the AxeFX FM3 which is their thousand dollar pedal version. I'll put myself on the list when you sell it for the Kemper again. The FM3 looks interesting I might pickup one up once the verdict is in. I can't preorder US only.. I'll grab an HX stomp once my kemper sells (pending) to play with live.
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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 31, 2019 3:11:52 GMT -6
I got to about a third of the way in on that video, and I have to say that we are getting very close. I will definitely consider this box.
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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 31, 2019 3:17:55 GMT -6
I’m halfway into the Axefx video and...damn! Sold
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