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Post by svart on Aug 12, 2019 12:02:47 GMT -6
Whoa, 'not saying anyone's wrong, just that it can be done. In a positive way. Cheers man. It wasn't directed any you or anyone in particular. It's just a theme I've seen anytime this type of discussion comes up online.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 12, 2019 13:41:17 GMT -6
All I know is there are recording schools nearby, and another 10K basement studios, and not once has anyone pushed me about a project or song fixed rate, in fact rarely ever asked. Perhaps they get my first rate quote and never respond again, but my statement also says 'please follow up with any additional questions or concerns', so really, it's on them. If they never respond, there's no telling, they may have all been hit by a bus for all I know.
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Post by drbill on Aug 13, 2019 10:36:21 GMT -6
All I know is there are recording schools nearby, and another 10K basement studios, and not once has anyone pushed me about a project or song fixed rate, in fact rarely ever asked. Perhaps they get my first rate quote and never respond again, but my statement also says 'please follow up with any additional questions or concerns', so really, it's on them. If they never respond, there's no telling, they may have all been hit by a bus for all I know. It's all in how you position yourself and your business. It can be very difficult for some to go hourly, but there is room to try at the very least. To jump into the herd and try to compete with ever-lowering flat rates is (IMO) ultimately a loosing game. If everyone is pushing flat rates lower and lower and lower - then jump in with an hourly that's upscale and position yourself as the alternative. There are always clients that don't believe in the status quo - ones that want something better. It works if you've got the facility and the goods. I've seen it done many times. At any rate, there's no doubt it's a tough road any way you take it....
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Aug 13, 2019 11:57:12 GMT -6
I don’t. Definitely would solve the issue, but I don’t like charging for mixing like this because I’d prefer to be in my own space. That's a fuckin problem dude. Value your time. Or they won't and just find a reason you have you change something. Some really good advice above to follow as well. Limit your revisions and makes sure the communication is good so they don't just request things all the time. My problem with hourly is that, if I prefer to work alone, my client needs to trust that I’m not overcharging him or working slowly. I like taking that out of the equation completely (especially because I like mixing breaks). They also shouldn’t be penalized if I misinterpret their intentions and need to go back in. I make my price based on how long I expect the job to take. If it takes longer than 4 hours (what I typically project), then I should have been faster. If it takes me shorter, then he can’t say I ripped him off on a flat fee. It doesn’t mean that I don’t value my time. If anything, it creates incentive to work faster, which reflects an increased rate. About the limited revisions though, 100%!
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 13, 2019 12:43:09 GMT -6
That's a fuckin problem dude. Value your time. Or they won't and just find a reason you have you change something. Some really good advice above to follow as well. Limit your revisions and makes sure the communication is good so they don't just request things all the time. My problem with hourly is that, if I prefer to work alone, my client needs to trust that I’m not overcharging him or working slowly. I like taking that out of the equation completely (especially because I like mixing breaks). They also shouldn’t be penalized if I misinterpret their intentions and need to go back in. I make my price based on how long I expect the job to take. If it takes longer than 4 hours (what I typically project), then I should have been faster. If it takes me shorter, then he can’t say I ripped him off on a flat fee. It doesn’t mean that I don’t value my time. If anything, it creates incentive to work faster, which reflects an increased rate. About the limited revisions though, 100%! Yeah if you charge by the project that's fine. But limit your revisions and then charge hourly after that. 3 is a good number to build into your price. As for mix breaks, in your contract you draw up you can build that in. I think mine has 15mins every 2 hours for a break.
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Post by drbill on Aug 13, 2019 12:45:13 GMT -6
That's a fuckin problem dude. Value your time. Or they won't and just find a reason you have you change something. Some really good advice above to follow as well. Limit your revisions and makes sure the communication is good so they don't just request things all the time. My problem with hourly is that, if I prefer to work alone, my client needs to trust that I’m not overcharging him or working slowly. I like taking that out of the equation completely (especially because I like mixing breaks). They also shouldn’t be penalized if I misinterpret their intentions and need to go back in. I make my price based on how long I expect the job to take. If it takes longer than 4 hours (what I typically project), then I should have been faster. If it takes me shorter, then he can’t say I ripped him off on a flat fee. It doesn’t mean that I don’t value my time. If anything, it creates incentive to work faster, which reflects an increased rate. About the limited revisions though, 100%! Alright, that's OK. Then you reap the rewards - either good or bad - of mixing a flat rate. IMO, it's a loosing game for the studio / engineer long game, but whatever you like is good, as long as it's OK with you. EXPECT revisions. My clients are 100% OK with me working alone. They trust my rates / hourly. Personally, I've mixed thousands of songs, and I can't predict where one will lead me or how long it will ACTUALLY take. That's why my clients like hourly. Fair to them, fair to me.
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