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Post by nick8801 on Jul 25, 2019 18:45:16 GMT -6
So many UAD plugins! I really never bought plugins before I got into UAD. I was fine with stock plugins. Here’s a few I don’t think ever even made it to a final mix....Elysia Alpha Comp, Cooper Time Cube, Thermionic Culture Vulture, Ocean Way maybe once...there are definitely more but I’d have to dig through my library to remember them all. Like Ragan said, I don’t really regret any of them. I did learn a lot by using them, I just wish I wouldn’t have been so impulsive when I was building my system. I’ve had to get the Izoptope Production bundle, Slate subscription, and the Soundtoys bundle for school and I have to say I do really like all of it, especially the Izotope stuff. But I mean how many plugins can you really use on a mix??
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Post by ragan on Jul 25, 2019 18:46:49 GMT -6
Oh man. I forgot about the UAD money. I spent sooo much on those damn plugins back in the day. Thinking of that money definitely stings a little.
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Post by viciousbliss on Jul 25, 2019 18:47:30 GMT -6
I see stuff here that I use all the time. I've never really sold a plugin. Usually I'll just put stuff on the shelf and go back to it later. Often I'll find a renewed use for it after changing workflow stuff or learning some new tricks. If any of you guys haven't tried working above 44/48, you may find that you like certain plugins a lot better at 88/96.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 25, 2019 21:52:53 GMT -6
I. Love. This. Thread.
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Post by theshea on Jul 26, 2019 6:46:01 GMT -6
Klanghelm SDRR
wanted to hop on the "crunch up da tracks" wagon a few years ago and decapitator was to much money for me. so i bought klanghelm sdrr, its cheap and everybody was raving about its quality. but in the end it does not much to make my tracks sound better. so it got forgotten somewhere in the limbo of forgotten plugins.
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Post by elcct on Jul 26, 2019 7:20:24 GMT -6
Klanghelm SDRR wanted to hop on the "crunch up da tracks" wagon a few years ago and decapitator was to much money for me. so i bought klanghelm sdrr, its cheap and everybody was raving about its quality. but in the end it does not much to make my tracks sound better. so it got forgotten somewhere in the limbo of forgotten plugins. When it comes to distortion, modelling is very difficult in software. I can think of only three plugins that do it right - Acustica Crimson and a bit different flavours- IK Multimedia T-RackS Tape Machine Collection and Kazrog's True Iron. Almost there is PA BBA HG-2, but it rarely sounds ok to me, depending on material. When I listened to Decapitator I was like why would anyone use this thing (another regret). So harsh and unpleasant. Maybe there are settings that sound okay, but I won't bother.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 10:48:38 GMT -6
audiothing reels. don't know what i was thinking now..
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 26, 2019 14:24:46 GMT -6
which ones expire. none of mine have expired after 2 years. should i be worried. Well, 2 years isn't THAT long, even in software town. Usually, anyway.
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Post by ragan on Jul 26, 2019 14:41:50 GMT -6
I've never had a plugin "expire". Some companies, most notably Waves, will begin charging you for updates down the road if you want to move into some other plugin format (like RTAS -> AAX) or you need an updated version for an updated OS or whatever. But even with Waves, if you keep your system the same, you can use the plugin in perpetuity.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 26, 2019 23:42:50 GMT -6
First of all, I agree with ragan that every plugin purchase I've made has in some way furthered my own audio journey. I've learned something from nearly every purchase. On my best days, I look at life this way, as well. Now for the fun. The plugins I regret that most immediately come to mind all happen to be Waves plugins: The V-Series, The API Collection, The JJP Collection, and CLA Compressors. (Now, the Puigtec is how I learned to use Pultec curves, so from that standpoint, I don't regret the purchase.) And add me to the small chorus of people who seem unable to get satisfactory tones out of Decapitator. But here's a bigger one: I'm wrestling with the whole "plugin subscription" thing. Do I regret buying Slate plugins back before they did the Everything Bundle, or whatever it's called now? Or am I glad I bought them, because I'm thinking about dropping the bundle later this year? Same with Kush. Though I can't actually even remember which of those I own anymore. I've been thinking about the new Plugin Alliance deal, just to inject something different into my system. But then, I step back, and I think about all this stuff, and I think, "Ah, who cares?" Just make some music, man.
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 27, 2019 1:30:55 GMT -6
I've been thinking about the new Plugin Alliance deal, just to inject something different into my system. But then, I step back, and I think about all this stuff, and I think, "Ah, who cares?" Just make some music, man.
That was my call.
Everything by Waves is a Hot Take becasue of ridiculous WUP costs.
To me the whole thing with plug ins is:
I expect they give me that record sound feel. High Hopes if you hear people like Waves / UAD or Slate Talk:
"Exact same harmonics/artifacts as the real hardware".
Or take Andrew Sch. who is telling me:
"It just needs a great preamp and a great mic the rest can be done all ITB".
Eveybody on RGO knows my journey.
I did try hard to make it happen all ITB -over and over again- but sooner or later I always came to the point useing hardware again.
Does this mean all plug ins are bad?
No but I often dont use them for the thing they are meant for. Slates VTM is for me not a Tape-Sim but a nice sounding distortion tool.
Most of the EQs and reverbs work great for me.
Last week I just was brave enough to waste live time again with trying the Waves 73 plug in.
Waves and A.Sch. is claiming it sounds like my 73 next to me in the rack. No it does not sounds like this, it sounds harsh and brittle in the top end - driving it harder.
And yes it would be for 80 bucks a HOT TAKE.
Closest to 73 artifacts is Kush in my ears.
Yeah wake me up when plug ins act exactly like hardware. I lost every willtoo waste my lifetime with high hopes and beeing disapointet in the end. To remind myself from now on I start all my sessions listen carefully to Paul M. - Yesterday:
It sounds clean and big and if there is distortion it sounds sweet and nice. A great song a great singer, great string quartet, great George Martin arrangement. A great sounding room too....
Lets wirte a song instead of wasting life time with plug ins.
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Post by elcct on Jul 27, 2019 7:59:34 GMT -6
I had subscription for Slate, as at the time I was finding their plugins alright. After a while I found different tools that worked better for me so since I was no longer using them I cancelled the subscription. Now if I wanted to go to some old project, half of the stuff won't work because the Slate stuff is all over. I'd have to go and resume the subscription or ask myself why I didn't print everything. On the other hand I had a chance to remove all plugins that no longer work and mix again with other stuff. In the end quite a waste of time. Only subscription I have running is for Roland Cloud. But I treat those plugins as hardware and always print so I won't have a problem with recalling.
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Post by schmalzy on Jul 28, 2019 21:57:43 GMT -6
Boz Digital Plus 10db Bundle. The compressor action never seems to work the way I want. The eq doesn't do anything special for me. It's just not a plugin for me. I felt this way about the +10db bundle for a while. I just COULDN'T make it work. I got it stupid cheap around Black Friday a couple years back so I wasn't too worried about it. But I kept it on one of my drum parallels at a slowest attack fast release setting. It did that thing pretty well right away. ...and then it clicked for me. The knee is super soft - like 15 db - and the release is pretty grabby. Lean into that stuff and it starts to work a little better. It's my "give it some pop" snare compressor. It's my parallel drum compressor. It's my distorted guitar limiter (if I need just a little more "up front-ness" from a distorted guitar). It's my eq for broad guitar brightening. I like it when I need to add some narrow kick subs, lows, and/or midrange at the end of the kick chain. I liked it as a substitute for an 1176 in an 1176->LA2A vocal plugin chain. It tightens low end a lot - in a bad way if used in the wrong spot - but really nicely when the source needs it. I used it as the mix bus compressor on a rough mix recently and it moved and pumped in an exciting way. I backed off the compression a bit and it worked great. I also used it in mastering recently as a parallel. SMASHED the track then blended it in to kind of lift the dynamic floor of the track a little. It was really great and interesting in that application. This is all to say: I'm so glad I tried it again because it's become one of my favorite and most used (behind Console 1's SSL 4000) plugins.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 11:29:51 GMT -6
UAD Ocean Way. Maybe I just don't get it, but I end up removing it almost every time I use it. It's usually a process of overthinking the settings, then "liking" it, then 4 hours later thinking "these drums sound weird!". Muting that aux is typically the solution. Since getting the Valhalla Room plugin, I don't see myself ever bothering with it again.
UAD EP-3. I have Echoboy, makes no sense to have this. Total impulse buy. I use it so infrequently that I forgot I even had it until I saw this thread.
Other than that, I dig what I have. I don't have too many plugins, on purpose.
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Post by ragan on Jul 29, 2019 12:30:17 GMT -6
UAD Ocean Way. Maybe I just don't get it, but I end up removing it almost every time I use it. It's usually a process of overthinking the settings, then "liking" it, then 4 hours later thinking "these drums sound weird!". Muting that aux is typically the solution. Since getting the Valhalla Room plugin, I don't see myself ever bothering with it again. UAD EP-3. I have Echoboy, makes no sense to have this. Total impulse buy. I use it so infrequently that I forgot I even had it until I saw this thread. Other than that, I dig what I have. I don't have too many plugins, on purpose. Funny you should mention Echoboy vs EP-3. Back when I was in UAD land, I tried extensively to get Echoboy to perfectly do with the EP-3 does on a slapback vocal. I never could. Frustrated me to no end as I was moving out of UAD land. Echoboy is of course wildly flexible and I could get pretty close, but couldn't really achieve the smoky/cloudy/dreamy thing the EP-3 would do. YMMV obviously.
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Post by donr on Jul 29, 2019 13:02:38 GMT -6
UAD Ocean Way. Maybe I just don't get it, but I end up removing it almost every time I use it. It's usually a process of overthinking the settings, then "liking" it, then 4 hours later thinking "these drums sound weird!". Muting that aux is typically the solution. Since getting the Valhalla Room plugin, I don't see myself ever bothering with it again. UAD EP-3. I have Echoboy, makes no sense to have this. Total impulse buy. I use it so infrequently that I forgot I even had it until I saw this thread. Other than that, I dig what I have. I don't have too many plugins, on purpose. Funny you should mention Echoboy vs EP-3. Back when I was in UAD land, I tried extensively to get Echoboy to perfectly do with the EP-3 does on a slapback vocal. I never could. Frustrated me to no end as I was moving out of UAD land. Echoboy is of course wildly flexible and I could get pretty close, but couldn't really achieve the smoky/cloudy/dreamy thing the EP-3 would do. YMMV obviously. Yeah, the UAD Echoplex is essentially an Echoplex. Not your goto DAW delay, but when you want an Echoplex, well, there it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 13:26:43 GMT -6
Funny you should mention Echoboy vs EP-3. Back when I was in UAD land, I tried extensively to get Echoboy to perfectly do with the EP-3 does on a slapback vocal. I never could. Frustrated me to no end as I was moving out of UAD land. Echoboy is of course wildly flexible and I could get pretty close, but couldn't really achieve the smoky/cloudy/dreamy thing the EP-3 would do. YMMV obviously. Yeah, the UAD Echoplex is essentially an Echoplex. Not your goto DAW delay, but when you want an Echoplex, well, there it is. I'm sure if I were more familiar with what a real one sounds like, I'd feel differently, but I'm not really. I played an EP-3 once for like 10 minutes in a store and had to stop myself so I wouldn't break out the credit card.
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Post by donr on Jul 29, 2019 13:47:41 GMT -6
I had a couple Echoplexes for my guitar in the day, a tube one and a then solid state. I later had a Korg tape echo, which I still have but haven't turned in on in over 30 years. After that I used a Roland SDE-3000 because it had four preset memories for different delay times, and sounded great through a guitar amp. For over 20 years now I've used an Alesis Quadraverb live for echoes and modulation effects. It's got a characteristic sound more modern devices (like TC Electronic) don't have.
I've never used an instrument tape echo for recording or mixing, but I know people have. I have used tape machines for slap echo and predelay for plates, but not since DAWs came in.
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Post by swurveman on Jul 29, 2019 15:44:41 GMT -6
Oh man. I forgot about the UAD money. I spent sooo much on those damn plugins back in the day. Thinking of that money definitely stings a little. Yeah , me too. Paid $1,600.00 for the PCIE card and I only use their 1176 and EMT 250. $800.00+ a plugin. Fuuuuuuuck
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Post by donr on Jul 29, 2019 15:52:28 GMT -6
Oh man. I forgot about the UAD money. I spent sooo much on those damn plugins back in the day. Thinking of that money definitely stings a little. Yeah , me too. Paid $1,600.00 for the PCIE card and I only use their 1176 and EMT 250. $800.00+ a plugin. Fuuuuuuuck But you got all that processing power.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Jul 29, 2019 19:42:14 GMT -6
The Waves tape machine plugin gets very little use.
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Post by wiz on Jul 29, 2019 20:03:27 GMT -6
OH I have so many plugs I bought that dont get used.....
I wish I could offload them
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by nudwig on Jul 29, 2019 22:21:32 GMT -6
Yeah , me too. Paid $1,600.00 for the PCIE card and I only use their 1176 and EMT 250. $800.00+ a plugin. Fuuuuuuuck But you got all that processing power. And the Ampeg stuff is quite nice.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 29, 2019 23:35:50 GMT -6
The Waves tape machine plugin gets very little use. Dan, are you speaking of their Kramer Tape or their J37?
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Post by bluegrassdan on Jul 30, 2019 2:04:35 GMT -6
The Waves tape machine plugin gets very little use. Dan, are you speaking of their Kramer Tape or their J37? Kramer. Bought it years ago. Used it some, then abandoned it.
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