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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 26, 2019 19:06:22 GMT -6
well i like his vids so dont want to seem like i'm saying he is shilling things but lets be honest. clicks and likes equal cash in the contemporary world amd product placements are not becessarily an advert any more if you look at the number of "clicks" he's getting, he'd be lucky to eat at mcdonalds once every couple of weeks. He's not getting rich, or even what I would consider compensation from these. I think it's for the pure love of sharing. The number of clicks is clearly present, and even your basic cat video is putting a couple more zeros after it in comparison. And these videos are complex and expertly set up. If you consider the time it takes to do it, he's getting pennies per hour I'd be guessing.... Exactly. There is definitely money to be made in YouTube ads. But for the most part, Google is the one raking it in, not the content creators.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 26, 2019 20:19:19 GMT -6
The new regulations make it extremely hard to get a new channel going and lucrative. It’s one of the reasons I stopped working so hard on my channel. I was stripped of my ability to monetize, because I just don’t get thousands of hours of views every month, nor do I want to create what would amount to useless content in order to do so. The YouTube situation these days really sucks unless you have a healthy patreon account.
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Post by donr on Jul 26, 2019 22:03:21 GMT -6
No one makes money on youtube unless you're getting into millions of views. Even then, if there's real money, it's likely 'cause of your youtube fame, not so much the youtube itself. I doubt if youtube makes that much off a million views from advertisers. Youtube makes it up in volume for the entire platform.
I have learned something from every audio professional who has shared anything on the internet. Even if they're promoting a product, you still take away some nugget of info, whether they've sold you on the product or not. Dave Pensado was a pioneer in this realm, and everybody making videos is offering something that may be useful to pass on knowledge to the world at large.
I've recently dug some youtube vids of guys sawing logs on small trailer mount saw mills, and making vases and bowls turned on wood lathes out of hunks of tree. Some of these videos have multi-million views, and after watching, I can see why!
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 26, 2019 23:34:39 GMT -6
I think with (real) tape distortion it's specific to the model of machine, speed, and the tape formulation being used. Some machines have response up to 50k with the right tape - without actually having measured I suspect that those machines don't have much, if any HF distortion that's in the audible range. And there's also machine setup.... Call it a sweetness, call it a saturation, call it a rounding, call it whatever suits your fancy, there is something going on in the upper HF of a tape machine that makes what it delivers desirable for many people. Something that digital does NOT do to the signal. As I mentioned previously, I don't know that what Saturn is doing is "tape-like" to my senses, but obviously Valentine is hearing something that is working for his esthetic. Maybe. Or maybe digital is doing something that tape isn't.
I'm not at all certain that the question ios being posed properly, especially considering that not all analog tape machines have the same effects in that range and not all digital systems have the same effects - and that, despite the digital claims of "perfection", it's obvious that it isn't true, since not all digital systems sound the same.
Be that as it may, I agree that Valentine has found something that to his ear narrows the gap in some way, it's just that I don't accept that it's the "imperfection of analog" causing the problem. I think it's more likely that it's the imperfection of digital, despite the promo BS of the digital companies that their technology is "perfect" when it clearly isn't.
Far be it it for me to dispute Mr. Valentine's ears. It's the underlying assumptions I take issue with.
I think that tape sounds better (in many cases) because digital is inherently flawed, and flawed in different ways than analog.
Nothing's perfect. And it's the only thing that is.
I don't believe that either technology is "perfect" - but I also believe that analog technology has had a lot longer time and a lot more development, unhampered by erroneouis assumptions, to get closer to the goal. And that analog technology is inherently a lot closer to the goal to begin with, since audio is an inherently analog phenomenon.
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Post by swurveman on Jul 27, 2019 7:26:38 GMT -6
I think with (real) tape distortion it's specific to the model of machine, speed, and the tape formulation being used. Some machines have response up to 50k with the right tape - without actually having measured I suspect that those machines don't have much, if any HF distortion that's in the audible range. And there's also machine setup.... Call it a sweetness, call it a saturation, call it a rounding, call it whatever suits your fancy, there is something going on in the upper HF of a tape machine that makes what it delivers desirable for many people. Something that digital does NOT do to the signal. As I mentioned previously, I don't know that what Saturn is doing is "tape-like" to my senses, but obviously Valentine is hearing something that is working for his esthetic. My question, since he is applying the plugin on a multiband basis, is whether his ears are so attuned to how tape affects those frequency bands, that he uses the drive and other parameters accordingly. If one doesn't have that experience, then the plugin won't get them there.
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Post by drbill on Jul 27, 2019 9:56:53 GMT -6
Call it a sweetness, call it a saturation, call it a rounding, call it whatever suits your fancy, there is something going on in the upper HF of a tape machine that makes what it delivers desirable for many people. Something that digital does NOT do to the signal. As I mentioned previously, I don't know that what Saturn is doing is "tape-like" to my senses, but obviously Valentine is hearing something that is working for his esthetic. My question, since he is applying the plugin on a multiband basis, is whether his ears are so attuned to how tape affects those frequency bands, that he uses the drive and other parameters accordingly. If one doesn't have that experience, then the plugin won't get them there. Well...he's got, uses and loves a Scully 24, Ampex 24, and Studer J37. I'm pretty sure he knows what tape sounds like.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 27, 2019 19:22:53 GMT -6
Finished about three episodes on a drive back to Texas from Gulf Shores, AL today. Man, his has to be the finest "how I did this" resource out there. What a generous guy. Hope he does some time on his Sugar Percussions stuff in the future as well. drbill thanks for starting a thread about it! Also makes me want the Undertone pre that much more. Edit: also on the Saturn discussion, I ended up picking up a used Elysia Karacter a few weeks back just for this type of thing. Have only messed with it a bit but it does some really cool stuff. Got such a good deal on it as well, which always helps.
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Post by NoTomorrow on Jul 27, 2019 21:44:09 GMT -6
I remember a number of videos I watched by Tchad Blake on Mix with the Masters where he used the Saturn plugin.
He employed that one and the SansAmp plugin frequently.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 29, 2019 23:21:34 GMT -6
Cool. Eric responded to a comment of mine. Told him about Dawtomation jsteiger and he seems interested. I showed him the SOLO8 box.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 1, 2019 22:10:02 GMT -6
Anyone else worried about Eric's cough? Spans all the episodes I've watched to this point. Hope he's well!
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Post by christopher on Aug 16, 2019 15:34:50 GMT -6
Pretty incredible videos. I love how he’s a perfectionist willing to be a workaholic and suffer in order to get the best possible results. So many things he’s says I’ve told clients but I sound like I’m making stuff up. And so many clients expect top results after a day a tracking. Now I can just tell them to watch one of his videos. I realized a while ago by looking at my favorite producers they invest fully into projects and usually put out less than 5 albums a year, often 1-3, dating back for decades even. That’s with the best talent/gear/rooms etc. So nice to see someone echo this.
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Post by seawell on Aug 16, 2019 18:47:40 GMT -6
Love this show! So thorough. Great stuff.
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