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Post by johneppstein on Jun 13, 2019 11:22:52 GMT -6
I have an N/D868 - it normally lives in my live mic case but I'd gladly record with it if I didn't have my other kick mics available - RE20, D12, H47.... The 868 is the only mic sold as a dedicated "kick mic" that I really like of the ones I've tried. Not bad on bass guitar, either.
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 13, 2019 15:59:07 GMT -6
A buddy recently gave me a couple of re15. I’ll have to give them a shot.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 13, 2019 16:01:14 GMT -6
A buddy recently gave me a couple of re15. I’ll have to give them a shot. Some would say those are the "cream of the crop" of general old EV mics
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 13, 2019 16:04:00 GMT -6
A buddy recently gave me a couple of re15. I’ll have to give them a shot. Some would say those are the "cream of the crop" of general old EV mics I remember using some on toms many years ago. I recall they were fine but it was long enough ago for everything old to be new again.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 13, 2019 16:06:09 GMT -6
Some would say those are the "cream of the crop" of general old EV mics I remember using some on toms many years ago. I recall they were fine but it was long enough ago for everything old to be new again. stick it on an acoustic guitar (Boston - "More Than A Feeling" etc), stick it on an electric guitar cabinet (Rolling Stones? I'm not sure), something cool should happen
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 13, 2019 16:45:04 GMT -6
I remember using some on toms many years ago. I recall they were fine but it was long enough ago for everything old to be new again. stick it on an acoustic guitar (Boston - "More Than A Feeling" etc), stick it on an electric guitar cabinet (Rolling Stones? I'm not sure), something cool should happen Yes! Thanks. I remember seeing some old pics on guitar amps. If this gives me the Boston acoustic sound I’ll be thrilled.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 13, 2019 16:49:18 GMT -6
The Yamaha 12 string acoustic intro, was recorded with an RE16, on "More Than A Feeling". Chris
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 15, 2019 10:19:32 GMT -6
At Motown, we had a 635a hung from the ceiling as a studio listen mike. It was very annoying when it sounded better than the Neumanns!
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Post by chessparov on Jun 15, 2019 10:37:51 GMT -6
Now ain't that peculiar! Chris
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 15, 2019 16:16:03 GMT -6
At Motown, we had a 635a hung from the ceiling as a studio listen mike. It was very annoying when it sounded better than the Neumanns! sounds like that may have happened more than once, Bob Olhsson?
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Post by yotonic on Jun 15, 2019 19:26:10 GMT -6
The RE-20 is perfect on my Ampeg B15 flip top. And obviously if you have listened to any 70s music tons of amazing vocals are cut on it, Stevie Wonder, Chicago etc. And today the hottest young studio cats are still cutting vox on it, instead of some crazy flavor of the week hybrid.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 16, 2019 10:41:46 GMT -6
RE-20 and 666 do about the same thing on the bottom when used for kick or bass, otherwise differently flavored.
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Post by spindrift on Jun 16, 2019 11:21:40 GMT -6
Guitar could the slow death be attributed to foam degradation? I don’t know the particular of the insides of those mics but I know with the MD409 mics, a majority of them for sale these days are shot and have the capsules bouncing around inside the shell and rotten foam gunking up the diaphragm.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 16, 2019 14:50:55 GMT -6
Guitar could the slow death be attributed to foam degradation? I don’t know the particular of the insides of those mics but I know with the MD409 mics, a majority of them for sale these days are shot and have the capsules bouncing around inside the shell and rotten foam gunking up the diaphragm. I'm sure that can sometimes be the case. Maybe the DS35 since it has an integrated foam piece in the headbasket. In my case, I had to replace the wires going from the capsule to the XLR connector on a few of them. Then they would work for a while. I took the foam out of all my RE18s. One of them died later, anyway. I checked the wiring, I could only conclude that the voice coil itself had died from a fault in the wire or something. I had an SE V7X that was destroyed by rowdy children recently also. It showed no gross signs of abuse in terms of visible damage, a few drum stick marks, I changed the wires, I just have to assume that they smashed the living hell out of the capsule while they were horsing around in the basement. That's not going to happen again.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 16, 2019 14:52:53 GMT -6
I re-foamed a PL20 one time.
I don't really recommend doing that unless you can nail it. There are some step by step online guides.
Maybe next time I'll go ahead and buy a "new" RE20 just to save the hassle.
I'd sort of like to buy a "new" RE16 also just so I know it's probably not going to fail. Even though they are kind of expensive.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 16, 2019 15:33:00 GMT -6
FWIW I regard the RE16, as highly as the RE20. AFAIK EV could have made it the same size. But with brilliant marketing insight, they thought and decided "bigger is better", and the rest is history! Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 25, 2019 20:40:33 GMT -6
I do like EV mics generally, but I must be the only one who never liked the RE-20. Yours must have been broken. Rare, but it does occasionally happen.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 25, 2019 20:59:35 GMT -6
Anyone else try the RE320? Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 25, 2019 21:03:18 GMT -6
I used to snipe them on ebay for $30-40 bucks per mic. Not any time recently. Mine keep dying as well. I had a DS35, RE18, and RE15 all die quietly in the past couple of years, just sitting in their cases. My remaining collection is 635A x2 (room mics primarily on drums) RE11 (currently mid mic in a mid/side drum room setup, with MXL R80 ribbon as the side mic) also fine on acoutsic guitars RE18 x2 - sometimes these are wonderful on guitar cabinets 660 the chrome one, I stick it inside the kick drum sometimes. I used to own a PL6 which was a great guitar amp mic I also have some "new" ones PL80c - great for band rehearsal PA vocals, less mud than SM58 ND868 - my first "good" kick drum mic, haven't used it in years. Sort of natural sounding compared to more hyped kick mics. CO4 - my secret weapon tom tom mic, I have four of these. Also good on guitar cabinets. Got them super cheap. Sold but want back eventually RE20 - bass cab mic of doom, utitilty vocal or guitar mic, acoustic or electric PL6 - why did I sell this Sold and don't want back ND468 - sorry Ward PL84 handheld condenser mic - OMG pure trash, laughably poor those weird rubber handle ones - nope Guess I am an EV fanboi. My first mic was an SM58, my second good mic and first vintage mic was the RE11, which was a gift from a family friend. Add some $150 condensers, AT3035 and SP B1, and that was my first many years of recording. Are you incinerating that a 58 is a "good" mic?
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Post by Guitar on Aug 25, 2019 21:08:31 GMT -6
I used to snipe them on ebay for $30-40 bucks per mic. Not any time recently. Mine keep dying as well. I had a DS35, RE18, and RE15 all die quietly in the past couple of years, just sitting in their cases. My remaining collection is 635A x2 (room mics primarily on drums) RE11 (currently mid mic in a mid/side drum room setup, with MXL R80 ribbon as the side mic) also fine on acoutsic guitars RE18 x2 - sometimes these are wonderful on guitar cabinets 660 the chrome one, I stick it inside the kick drum sometimes. I used to own a PL6 which was a great guitar amp mic I also have some "new" ones PL80c - great for band rehearsal PA vocals, less mud than SM58 ND868 - my first "good" kick drum mic, haven't used it in years. Sort of natural sounding compared to more hyped kick mics. CO4 - my secret weapon tom tom mic, I have four of these. Also good on guitar cabinets. Got them super cheap. Sold but want back eventually RE20 - bass cab mic of doom, utitilty vocal or guitar mic, acoustic or electric PL6 - why did I sell this Sold and don't want back ND468 - sorry Ward PL84 handheld condenser mic - OMG pure trash, laughably poor those weird rubber handle ones - nope Guess I am an EV fanboi. My first mic was an SM58, my second good mic and first vintage mic was the RE11, which was a gift from a family friend. Add some $150 condensers, AT3035 and SP B1, and that was my first many years of recording. Are you incinerating that a 58 is a "good" mic? My original dad bought SM58 up and died on me for no apparent reason. I got a brand new Shure replacement via service/replacment postcard and $65 or whatever it was. I sold that SM58 a few months later. I don't need no SM58. There I said it. I have no reason to ever own an SM58. Or a Beta 57. I still like the transformer upgraded SM57 though. And the SM59, and the 545SD. Just not the SM58.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 25, 2019 21:14:51 GMT -6
Anyone else try the RE320? Chris From what I hear it's an RE20 with all the obnoxious characteristics of a poorly thought out Neodymium slathered on top. And they're made in China, they're not REAL EVs. If it wasn't made in Buchanan, Michigan, it's not a REAL Electro-Voice mic.
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Post by lpedrum on Aug 25, 2019 22:01:20 GMT -6
Anyone else try the RE320? Chris From what I hear it's an RE20 with all the obnoxios characteristics of a poorly thought out Neodymium slathered on top. And they're made in China, they're not REAL EVs. If it wasn't made in Buchanan, Michigan, it's not a REAL Electro-Voice mic.
From what I can gather the RE16, RE20, and 635a are still made in the USA, but not in Buchanan. Perhaps someone has more insight into why the manufacturing is split between here and overseas.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2019 11:23:37 GMT -6
From what I hear it's an RE20 with all the obnoxios characteristics of a poorly thought out Neodymium slathered on top. And they're made in China, they're not REAL EVs. If it wasn't made in Buchanan, Michigan, it's not a REAL Electro-Voice mic.
From what I can gather the RE16, RE20, and 635a are still made in the USA, but not in Buchanan. Perhaps someone has more insight into why the manufacturing is split between here and overseas. Well, this would probably be good news if they still make the RE16, RE20, and 635A in the US. I haven't seen any indication of that, but I might have missed something. They've obviously moved (other) production to China because it's a LOT cheaper (which may be coming back to bite them in the current climate of tarriffs and trade wars); they also dropped prices on a lot of models and also slightly changed the model numbers of at least some of the mics made overseas. Sadly, in my somewhat limited experience with using a few of the Chinese versions in club PA applications, the quality appears to have take a BIG hit as well. When they were introduced the N/D series of vocal mics were about the only Neodymium live vocal mics that I actually liked - this is no longer really the case.
Why did they do this, besides the obvious? As I understand it, the ownership of EV changed hands again and the new management is obviously more interested in profits and boosting sales in the low end of the market than they are in manufacturing a quality product. It's pretty sad.
I don't understand why, if they wanted to continue any US production, they would want to move it from Buchanan Michigan. Michigan is such a depressed economy right now that they could probably manufacture products much more cheaply there than in most other parts of the US - moving makes no sense to me.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 26, 2019 12:05:27 GMT -6
I agree, but IIRC it was an EPA thing... With the river nearby. Chris
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Post by lpedrum on Aug 26, 2019 13:58:40 GMT -6
From what I can gather the RE16, RE20, and 635a are still made in the USA, but not in Buchanan. Perhaps someone has more insight into why the manufacturing is split between here and overseas. Well, this would probably be good news if they still make the RE16, RE20, and 635A in the US. I haven't seen any indication of that, but I might have missed something. They've obviously moved (other) production to China because it's a LOT cheaper (which may be coming back to bite them in the current climate of tarriffs and trade wars); they also dropped prices on a lot of models and also slightly changed the model numbers of at least some of the mics made overseas. Sadly, in my somewhat limited experience with using a few of the Chinese versions in club PA applications, the quality appears to have take a BIG hit as well. When they were introduced the N/D series of vocal mics were about the only Neodymium live vocal mics that I actually liked - this is no longer really the case.
Why did they do this, besides the obvious? As I understand it, the ownership of EV changed hands again and the new management is obviously more interested in profits and boosting sales in the low end of the market than they are in manufacturing a quality product. It's pretty sad.
I don't understand why, if they wanted to continue any US production, they would want to move it from Buchanan Michigan. Michigan is such a depressed economy right now that they could probably manufacture products much more cheaply there than in most other parts of the US - moving makes no sense to me.
Yeah, I don't have time to investigate right now, but I think I read that the original Buchanan site was polluted. A trusted dealer told me in an email that EV still makes some of its mics in the USA. I'd LOVE it if someone did testing between old EV20s and the new ones, along with 635a and the RE16. It would be really great if they held up against the vintage ones. Here's a pic of a current RE20 Box with the manufacturing origin. Attachments:
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