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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2019 16:38:02 GMT -6
Thought maybe plugin doctor? Does it do Hardware? Just wanted to know what my Stam 1073 was doing when I twisted. God forbid I use my ears. Really, I just wanted to see how much the tolerance is - like how big a move it makes when I turn it. Make sense?
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2019 16:43:50 GMT -6
Any RTA should give an idea freq. boost cut wise.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 5, 2019 16:44:53 GMT -6
Thought maybe plugin doctor? Does it do Hardware? Just wanted to know what my Stam 1073 was doing when I twisted. God forbid I use my ears. Really, I just wanted to see how much the tolerance is - like how big a move it makes when I turn it. Make sense? At the risk of sounding like an old fart(which I'm not) old school engineer(also not that). Who cares. Long as it sounds good and does what you want, its the right tool. If it doesn't in that moment. Use a different one. So yes...as you said. Use your ears  but could use Blue Cat Audios analyzer(free) and run pink noise into it and see what it does. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 5, 2019 16:54:33 GMT -6
Run a sweep with RMAA. Free software.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2019 17:15:38 GMT -6
Thought maybe plugin doctor? Does it do Hardware? Just wanted to know what my Stam 1073 was doing when I twisted. God forbid I use my ears. Really, I just wanted to see how much the tolerance is - like how big a move it makes when I turn it. Make sense? At the risk of sounding like an old fart(which I'm not) old school engineer(also not that). Who cares. Long as it sounds good and does what you want, its the right tool. If it doesn't in that moment. Use a different one. So yes...as you said. Use your ears but could use Blue Cat Audios analyzer(free) and run pink noise into it and see what it does. I knew I’d get a “use your ears” comment. I’m trying to see how the interactions between say 7.2khz (or whatever it is on the 73) and 10khz works when you’re boosting one and dipping the other. I could just check the UAD version in Plugin doc, but I’d like to also see if my hw eq maintains accuracy. I don’t doubt it probably does...AND maybe you’ve got golden ears, but tracking someone and having to make quick decisions, I’d like not to have to stop everything, take off the headphones to listen through the monitors. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 5, 2019 17:49:25 GMT -6
At the risk of sounding like an old fart(which I'm not) old school engineer(also not that). Who cares. Long as it sounds good and does what you want, its the right tool. If it doesn't in that moment. Use a different one. So yes...as you said. Use your ears but could use Blue Cat Audios analyzer(free) and run pink noise into it and see what it does. I knew I’d get a “use your ears” comment. I’m trying to see how the interactions between say 7.2khz (or whatever it is on the 73) and 10khz works when you’re boosting one and dipping the other. I could just check the UAD version in Plugin doc, but I’d like to also see if my hw eq maintains accuracy. I don’t doubt it probably does...AND maybe you’ve got golden ears, but tracking someone and having to make quick decisions, I’d like not to have to stop everything, take off the headphones to listen through the monitors. Well come on, you set yourself up by saying it yourself haha eh I bet the more you use it and get familiar with it then the more you'll know it and so on. And what do you mean maintains accuracy? Like if you dial it to a spot and then 10 days later do it again how accurate it will be to where it was? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2019 18:01:32 GMT -6
I knew I’d get a “use your ears” comment. I’m trying to see how the interactions between say 7.2khz (or whatever it is on the 73) and 10khz works when you’re boosting one and dipping the other. I could just check the UAD version in Plugin doc, but I’d like to also see if my hw eq maintains accuracy. I don’t doubt it probably does...AND maybe you’ve got golden ears, but tracking someone and having to make quick decisions, I’d like not to have to stop everything, take off the headphones to listen through the monitors. Well come on, you set yourself up by saying it yourself haha eh I bet the more you use it and get familiar with it then the more you'll know it and so on. And what do you mean maintains accuracy? Like if you dial it to a spot and then 10 days later do it again how accurate it will be to where it was? Don’t really know if this is the right word, but “tolerance?” Like, with a hi shelf, is it a smooth transition all the way through the knob? |
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 5, 2019 18:02:29 GMT -6
Thought maybe plugin doctor? Does it do Hardware? Just wanted to know what my Stam 1073 was doing when I twisted. God forbid I use my ears. Really, I just wanted to see how much the tolerance is - like how big a move it makes when I turn it. Make sense? Funny, I’m doing this exact thing working with Hendyamps to troubleshoot my Michelangelo EQ using Waves Q-Clone. I’m just using the trial, but I think it’s on “sale” for like $25 or something. The manual is clunky to make sense of, but I can give you the cliff notes. |
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Post by popmann on Jun 5, 2019 18:06:34 GMT -6
Q-Clone. Waves.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 5, 2019 18:08:13 GMT -6
Well come on, you set yourself up by saying it yourself haha eh I bet the more you use it and get familiar with it then the more you'll know it and so on. And what do you mean maintains accuracy? Like if you dial it to a spot and then 10 days later do it again how accurate it will be to where it was? Don’t really know if this is the right word, but “tolerance?” Like, with a hi shelf, is it a smooth transition all the way through the knob? hmm smooth transition all the way through the knob.. As in..the Q of the shelf? Like the steepness of the curve? or if it is proportional gain? |
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Post by subspace on Jun 5, 2019 18:47:37 GMT -6
Download REW, it's free, it will walk you through running a loopback test to null out your interface then you can sweep your hardware for both freq and phase plots.
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Post by askomiko on Jun 5, 2019 21:55:10 GMT -6
Yes,use the REW, you'll get saveable graphs with proper reference scales. Plugindoctor is real time, but it lacks precision. Q-clone tells you nothing, but you can apply the resulting eq curve to other tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 22:59:47 GMT -6
Yes, PluginDoctor can do hardware loops too.
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Post by christopher on Jun 5, 2019 23:39:07 GMT -6
I like the software stuff, but I don't totally trust that the software stuff has the bugs worked out. So if it looks normal, all is fine. If you see really weird stuff, might be the way the software tests, so try another method. Blue Cat has been my go to since my Wavelab version became outdated. Its really simple with Blue Cat to run a noise plugin and watch as you move the EQ. I figured out my console EQs this way.
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Post by swurveman on Jun 6, 2019 6:59:14 GMT -6
Yep. This beginning of this video shows how Q Clone follows the hardware EQ settings and changes. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 6, 2019 8:06:48 GMT -6
As a stupid kid I learned a lot about what the gear was doing and what it wasn’t from simply farting around with some basic measurement gear. It taught me a lot about what I like and don’t like as well as the limitations of the measurement equipment and specs.
AudioTools lives on my phone and iPad, hell even my wife and kid have figured out how to use to track down some interesting issues.
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Post by svart on Jun 6, 2019 8:14:31 GMT -6
I'd set up a white noise source in your DAW, send that out the D/A through the piece you want to analyze and then back into the A/D and view it real-time in spectrum analyzer view and you should be able to see what you need to see.
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Post by stormymondays on Jun 6, 2019 9:20:13 GMT -6
Yep. This beginning of this video shows how Q Clone follows the hardware EQ settings and changes. On sale for $24.50. I might bite! www.waves.com/plugins/q-clone |
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 6, 2019 11:00:35 GMT -6
Yep. This beginning of this video shows how Q Clone follows the hardware EQ settings and changes. On sale for $24.50. I might bite! www.waves.com/plugins/q-clone$21.81 at PluginDiscounts.com |
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Post by shoe on Jun 7, 2019 7:30:34 GMT -6
Yep. This beginning of this video shows how Q Clone follows the hardware EQ settings and changes. Hmm. That's an interesting idea. So, like, if you still want to use your hardware EQ, and only have one of the hardware EQ you want to use, you could preview what certain settings you saved would sound like on multiple tracks after printed to get a ballpark idea of how they sound together and then then run the real hardware to print after. |
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Post by audioscape on Jun 23, 2019 18:19:43 GMT -6
We find PluginDoctor to work well for basic frequency analysis and THD/Noise Specs. It's quick and fool-proof. Helps make sure their are no OBVIOUS bugs or anomalies, especially EQ's. I do find that it measures low-end oddly, which is to be expected but I haven't found a setting to adjust the "ramp" of the analyzer.
There are more "fun/pretty" ways to do this using your DAW and plugins. Load up a tone generator plug-in within DAW (most come with something like this); then open up your favorite EQ / Analyzer:
Nugen Visualizer
Melda MAnalyzer (LOVE this one)
Voxengo Span
...the list goes on!
Hell, even Fabfilter ProQ, Eiosis AirEQ, etc (basically any EQ that has a built-in analyzer that you dig) can work well for what you want to do in lieu of the above, dedicated analyzers.
Q-Clone is a bit too coarse, IMO..
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Post by shoe on Jun 23, 2019 22:16:52 GMT -6
I did end up trying Q Clone and learned some quite interesting stuff, actually. I'll have to post some screenshots later.
Interesting things so far: My Warm 273EQ 50hz High Pass Filter (which I like to use on bass) has a 4dB boost at the cutoff frequency! I knew it had a peak, there, but not that big.
My old Dynacord Tube Tape Echo has a huge dip around 800hz on the setting I normally use for vocal effects.
TG2 is pretty damn flat across the full frequency spectrum.
REDD 47 is also pretty flat, but a little less so than the TG2. Of course it also saturates easier, but I didn't take the readings in a saturation range.
Stam 1073MPA Sowter has a slight bump in the bass before it actually rolls off some low bass and also starts to roll off moderately somewhere around 16k. This makes sense because it sounds very smooth and warm to me but not muddy.
The curve of the Carnhill 1073MPA was less different than I would have expected, based on the sound, but it is a little bit flatter.
Curious to see if the Stam 1073EQ curve differs from the 1073MPA curve, but I have not been able to test that yet.
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Post by pope on Jun 24, 2019 2:28:37 GMT -6
I did end up trying Q Clone and learned some quite interesting stuff, actually. I'll have to post some screenshots later. Interesting things so far: My Warm 273EQ 50hz High Pass Filter (which I like to use on bass) has a 4dB boost at the cutoff frequency! I knew it had a peak, there, but not that big. My old Dynacord Tube Tape Echo has a huge dip around 800hz on the setting I normally use for vocal effects. TG2 is pretty damn flat across the full frequency spectrum. REDD 47 is also pretty flat, but a little less so than the TG2. Of course it also saturates easier, but I didn't take the readings in a saturation range. Stam 1073MPA Sowter has a slight bump in the bass before it actually rolls off some low bass and also starts to roll off moderately somewhere around 16k. This makes sense because it sounds very smooth and warm to me but not muddy. The curve of the Carnhill 1073MPA was less different than I would have expected, based on the sound, but it is a little bit flatter. Curious to see if the Stam 1073EQ curve differs from the 1073MPA curve, but I have not been able to test that yet. Interesting observations. Could you please post some screenshots if I'm not asking too much? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 2:45:58 GMT -6
My TG2 gives about a 1dB slope rise from 5k to 20k.
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Post by stormymondays on Jun 24, 2019 2:50:10 GMT -6
That’s pretty cool, I hadn’t thought to measure preamps...
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