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Post by schmalzy on Jun 15, 2019 8:04:37 GMT -6
Oh, man! Reading all these religious-discussion-post-mortem posts makes me feel like there was a bit o' craziness that went down in here!
I leave you guys alone FOR TWO DAYS and THIS is what you do?!
That's IT! I'm going back to THE KACEY MUSGRAVES THREAD!!!!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 15, 2019 8:09:13 GMT -6
If Shannon's really in trouble, it's a loss for many of us. There aren't many people in the US with his skillset, if any.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 15, 2019 8:51:09 GMT -6
Oh, man! Reading all these religious-discussion-post-mortem posts makes me feel like there was a bit o' craziness that went down in here! I leave you guys alone FOR TWO DAYS and THIS is what you do?! That's IT! I'm going back to THE KACEY MUSGRAVES THREAD!!!! So, someone has compassion and talks about appealing their God for mercy and other people get bent out of shape over it. This culture has gone insane.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 15, 2019 10:30:35 GMT -6
Is there redemption for Shannon? What would that look like? I mean, we’re talking about a lot of money that was stolen, wouldn’t that be considered Grand Larceny? That’s pretty serious. How does he come back from this within his means? Simply saying “pay everyone back”, while a great idea, is probably not going to happen, at least right away. Just asking in the belief of the goodness in people. I believe Shannon is a good person that did a bad thing. If it is addiction, that’s a disease that needs treated like any other. I have a brother who battles. It’s a hard thing.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 15, 2019 10:37:45 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Jun 15, 2019 11:08:21 GMT -6
Haven't spoken to him in years! But yes, you're right.
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Post by lordalvin on Jun 15, 2019 11:49:31 GMT -6
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 15, 2019 11:53:43 GMT -6
He was recommended to me by some people I trust. What was your experience?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 15, 2019 11:56:42 GMT -6
There has been a long history...although, those new mics do sound pretty good.
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Post by lpedrum on Jun 15, 2019 12:49:52 GMT -6
Is there redemption for Shannon? What would that look like? I mean, we’re talking about a lot of money that was stolen, wouldn’t that be considered Grand Larceny? That’s pretty serious. How does he come back from this within his means? Simply saying “pay everyone back”, while a great idea, is probably not going to happen, at least right away. Just asking in the belief of the goodness in people. I believe Shannon is a good person that did a bad thing. If it is addiction, that’s a disease that needs treated like any other. I have a brother who battles. It’s a hard thing. People have crawled their way back from worse situations, and I hope that Shannon has someone in his life to help get him back on track. From a small business point of view this episode brings up valuable lessons. The whole issue of paying or financing up front for gear or services without any recourse if things go south has really hurt some folks in this case. With larger companies there's usually a path of recourse if you've been wronged (not always though as in the case of Aardvark.) Even buying gear on eBay provides a way to protect your purchases, even if not a perfect system. We love to forgo the "middle man" in America, but middle men such as Front End Audio can really help when things go awry for the consumer. Dealing with small operations who want cash up front for goods or services always requires some risk. Sometimes good people go out of business simply because they can't keep up with demand (such as Mammoth Cave Audio) or don't know how to correctly deal with the public (there's plenty of examples of that on RGO.) That's why I've never bought anything from Stam--I just don't feel comfortable taking the risk that the company could disappear overnight. (I will say that recently Stam is showing signs of maturing as a businessman, so maybe he's growing into the role.) On the other hand, Locomotive Audio and Louder than Liftoff have stellar records of dealing with the public and delivering on their promises, and I've taken the "risk" of buying from both of them. I guess there's some risk in almost every purchase. But the lesson here for me is to always ask myself, "Am I willing to deal with the worst case scenario when parting with my money?"
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Post by bigbone on Jun 15, 2019 13:27:25 GMT -6
This might be a good analogy or not,it's the same as if someone ask me,as a musician, for a session and i ask that person if they can pay me half in advance so i can go buy my instrument.That sound like that when someone ask money upfront to build something....Not sure it will pass..........
I know you save money with some of the boutique company.But if something goes wrong it's at your own risk.......
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Post by Bender on Jun 15, 2019 13:37:24 GMT -6
Woof, that website though, I felt like I took a time machine back to the 90's there on a v1 imac....someone hook bill up with squarespace.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 17, 2019 7:29:00 GMT -6
Still trying to get a hold of Shannon to get my two capsules that I paid for that was in my 251!
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Post by teejay on Jun 17, 2019 10:55:07 GMT -6
I guess there's some risk in almost every purchase. But the lesson here for me is to always ask myself, "Am I willing to deal with the worst case scenario when parting with my money?" Exactly where I'm at currently. Not sure about everyone's take on Horch here, but have talked to several owners who rave about their RM2J MK2 and its been on my radar. Price now is pretty reasonable ($2,700) compared to the originals, but here's the scary part: If you order direct from Horch to get that price they want full payment in advance through Transferwise. No buyer protection at all. You're just sending money. An enormous level of one-sided trust with no recourse. They'll accept PayPal for $120 more. Perhaps a good "insurance" investment, but there's always the warranty/service issue from this side of the pond as well. One owner told me he used Transferwise for his purchase and was pretty nervous to do so, but the mic came in a few days and all was well. Still, if we're talking worst case scenario...
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Post by EmRR on Jun 17, 2019 12:41:20 GMT -6
I guess there's some risk in almost every purchase. But the lesson here for me is to always ask myself, "Am I willing to deal with the worst case scenario when parting with my money?" Exactly where I'm at currently. Not sure about everyone's take on Horch here, but have talked to several owners who rave about their RM2J MK2 and its been on my radar. Price now is pretty reasonable ($2,700) compared to the originals, but here's the scary part: If you order direct from Horch to get that price they want full payment in advance through Transferwise. No buyer protection at all. You're just sending money. An enormous level of one-sided trust with no recourse. They'll accept PayPal for $120 more. Perhaps a good "insurance" investment, but there's always the warranty/service issue from this side of the pond as well. One owner told me he used Transferwise for his purchase and was pretty nervous to do so, but the mic came in a few days and all was well. Still, if we're talking worst case scenario... They don't want to take the Paypal fee hit, and to me it's worth paying the extra $120 to have the coverage. You could also do cash and meet in a parking lot in Bermuda....
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Post by forgotteng on Jun 18, 2019 18:25:20 GMT -6
Haven't read the whole thread yet but had a feeling something was up. Shannon has a pair of my Charter Oaks S600's that I just paid for shipping for about 2 months ago. Sad
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 18, 2019 20:23:26 GMT -6
Really not trying to be like this, but at what point do any of you guys take legal action?
I feel for the dude and have an intimate understanding of addiction, but he’s straight up stealing...
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 21:18:28 GMT -6
Really not trying to be like this, but at what point do any of you guys take legal action? I feel for the dude and have an intimate understanding of addiction, but he’s straight up stealing... I haven't heard anyone say anything about him being an addict. I wouldn't be honest if I said the thought hadn't crossed my mind though. I sure wish him the best whatever's going on, hope he straightens his life out, and hope everyone at least gets their mics back. Hopefully their money too.
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Post by drumhead57 on Jun 18, 2019 21:48:33 GMT -6
Really not trying to be like this, but at what point do any of you guys take legal action? I feel for the dude and have an intimate understanding of addiction, but he’s straight up stealing... I haven't heard anyone say anything about him being an addict. I wouldn't be honest if I said the thought hadn't crossed my mind though. I sure wish him the best whatever's going on, hope he straightens his life out, and hope everyone at least gets their mics back. Hopefully their money too. It doesn't take much thought to put the puzzle pieces together. JMO
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Post by swafford on Jun 19, 2019 3:26:40 GMT -6
Really not trying to be like this, but at what point do any of you guys take legal action? I feel for the dude ... The day I was hooked up with Dave Wheeler was the day before I was starting legal action. Like most of these things, it wasn't the time, it was the obvious obfuscation + demonstrable untruths (whether intentional or not) that gave me the heads up something was amiss after 3 months in MicRehab possession. I decided to take legal action after I requested numerous times through all available avenues that he send my mic back. I'd already drawn up the demand letter, put it in an envelope and addressed/stamped it as well as researched the associated state laws/regs that govern small claims court in Tennessee. I don't really view this as a moral quandary. I have much empathy for dysfunction, whatever the causes, but at the end of the day, it's business, not personal.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jun 19, 2019 8:46:07 GMT -6
I haven't heard anyone say anything about him being an addict. I wouldn't be honest if I said the thought hadn't crossed my mind though. I sure wish him the best whatever's going on, hope he straightens his life out, and hope everyone at least gets their mics back. Hopefully their money too. It doesn't take much thought to put the puzzle pieces together. JMO Maybe his next company won't have "rehab" in the name.
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Post by brenta on Jun 19, 2019 9:41:47 GMT -6
It’s hard to see how his business recovers from this. After all this who wants to risk sending him a mic worth $xxxx and giving him an upfront deposit? At this point the only way I would ever let him work on one of my mics is if I can sit in the room and watch while he’s doing it.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 19, 2019 9:54:45 GMT -6
So many variations of this story......but I've said that.
There seems to be a strong mental health link in many of them.
Reminds of the saga of the guy who converted Altec comps into Abbey Road comps, many many people saying they never got their comp back AND paid a massive upfront payment. Public complaints at audio forums for YEARS, and people STILL sending him work. He later went on to work for a prominent LA repair place that had him charged with theft (they went public about it) and saw him do some jail time, then probably deported back to his home country.
Remember the custom tube console guy who took a bunch of peoples' deposits and never showed a working console, much less delivered anything?
I've definitely been guilty of getting way behind time estimates before, but I stop taking new work when that happens. There's never been a piece I didn't deliver, though there've been a few I decided I wasn't the best person to work on, and got those rerouted back to the owner or a more applicable tech ASAP.
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Post by forgotteng on Jan 22, 2020 20:11:46 GMT -6
Anyone have an update on Shannon. Some day I'm hoping to get my mics back so I can have that crusty sound engineer story of the mics that got away and miraculously returned into my arms.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 22, 2020 20:28:06 GMT -6
Anyone have an update on Shannon. Some day I'm hoping to get my mics back so I can have that crusty sound engineer story of the mics that got away and miraculously returned into my arms. I'm sorry for your loss.
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