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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2019 8:57:59 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on May 10, 2019 9:25:32 GMT -6
Sweet tune. I miss TP.
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Post by mike on May 10, 2019 9:26:51 GMT -6
For me, while there are always plenty of great singers and players around, great songwriters on the other hand is a hard thing to find.
What a loss is right,
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Post by the other mark williams on May 10, 2019 9:55:46 GMT -6
Yes, fentanyl strikes again. Given Tom's substance use history, he probably should've had some Narcan by his side at all times. Might've saved his life. Such a terrible, tragic loss. Love his music. |
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Post by johneppstein on May 10, 2019 12:54:34 GMT -6
Yes, fentanyl strikes again. Given Tom's substance use history, he probably should've had some Narcan by his side at all times. Might've saved his life. Such a terrible, tragic loss. Love his music. He had been touring and performing on a busted hip. I can't even imagine the pain he must have been in. |
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Post by notneeson on May 10, 2019 13:20:43 GMT -6
Yes, fentanyl strikes again. Given Tom's substance use history, he probably should've had some Narcan by his side at all times. Might've saved his life. Such a terrible, tragic loss. Love his music. We should probably have Narcan on every street corner in America, unfortunately. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 10, 2019 13:27:33 GMT -6
Saw them a couple years ago...just killer
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Post by kcatthedog on May 10, 2019 13:31:29 GMT -6
The really talented: just sound right, for me, everything TP, just sounds right.
Up there (literally and figuratively), with Lennon for me: unique, creative signature talent.
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Post by ericn on May 10, 2019 14:31:22 GMT -6
Am I allowed to say when it comes to both drug and pain tolerance, WIMP! But damn I miss his music and the Fentynol patch!
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Post by the other mark williams on May 10, 2019 15:35:54 GMT -6
Yes, fentanyl strikes again. Given Tom's substance use history, he probably should've had some Narcan by his side at all times. Might've saved his life. Such a terrible, tragic loss. Love his music. We should probably have Narcan on every street corner in America, unfortunately. Absolutely. And needle exchanges in cities. |
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Post by the other mark williams on May 10, 2019 15:42:13 GMT -6
Yes, fentanyl strikes again. Given Tom's substance use history, he probably should've had some Narcan by his side at all times. Might've saved his life. Such a terrible, tragic loss. Love his music. He had been touring and performing on a busted hip. I can't even imagine the pain he must have been in. Yeah, undoubtedly. From my understanding, he was in the kind of pain situation for which opioids are actually the best medical treatment, but it's just so, so easy to go too far without meaning to. Especially for someone with a history of use problems. It requires a really, really good pain specialist. I wish Tom could've canceled the tour and gotten the surgery he needed so badly. The world of music misses him dearly. |
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Post by ericn on May 11, 2019 6:57:09 GMT -6
He had been touring and performing on a busted hip. I can't even imagine the pain he must have been in. Yeah, undoubtedly. From my understanding, he was in the kind of pain situation for which opioids are actually the best medical treatment, but it's just so, so easy to go too far without meaning to. Especially for someone with a history of use problems. It requires a really, really good pain specialist. I wish Tom could've canceled the tour and gotten the surgery he needed so badly. The world of music misses him dearly. Enough Fentynal will work on pretty much any pain trust me, but I can understand his reluctance for back surgery. Every good ortho will tell you the back is tricky, the combination of nerves, bones and cartlidge can be finicky and the results are often worse than the condition somebody was in to begin with. The rehab can be a bitch as well ( not like learning to pretty much do everything again but still painful and hard as hell). |
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Post by bradd on May 11, 2019 15:31:44 GMT -6
He needed hip surgery, which has gotten pretty routine. In addition to Fentanyl, the autopsy listed Oxycodone, Xanax and several others that in combination are bad news. I kick myself that I never saw him live.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 12, 2019 8:33:34 GMT -6
I broke my femur in half in 1996. Surgery was tough but manageable. I have 3 huge titanium rods there now. Tom was a road warrior, dedicated and hard working. He probably just couldn’t think of not playing, but yes, he should have. He’s missed.
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Post by the other mark williams on May 12, 2019 8:48:11 GMT -6
He needed hip surgery, which has gotten pretty routine. In addition to Fentanyl, the autopsy listed Oxycodone, Xanax and several others that in combination are bad news. I kick myself that I never saw him live. Oxy and fentanyl are not uncommon together (fentanyl for short term burst or "break through" pain, oxy for long term management). The addition of Xanax is tough, though. Benzos are fairly addictive in nature, and are best used for the short term (especially Xanax, which has a short "ramp" and "tail" of action). Again, it's much easier to get into a negative feedback cycle with any of these than most people realize. |
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Post by georgetoledo on May 12, 2019 9:10:42 GMT -6
It seemed bizarre to me how Jim Lenahan would be in Mudcrutch and then be the lighting designer for the Heartbreakers for about 40 years, and then suddenly leave around 2013 or 14. In retrospect, I wonder if his leaving had anything to do with being concerned about what was going on.
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Post by ericn on May 12, 2019 9:51:55 GMT -6
He needed hip surgery, which has gotten pretty routine. In addition to Fentanyl, the autopsy listed Oxycodone, Xanax and several others that in combination are bad news. I kick myself that I never saw him live. Oxy and fentanyl are not uncommon together (fentanyl for short term burst or "break through" pain, oxy for long term management). The addition of Xanax is tough, though. Benzos are fairly addictive in nature, and are best used for the short term (especially Xanax, which has a short "ramp" and "tail" of action). Again, it's much easier to get into a negative feedback cycle with any of these than most people realize. If it he was using the fentanyl patch it would be the other way around. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on May 12, 2019 15:44:01 GMT -6
I go back at least once or twice a month to the Running Down a Dream doc. One of the best ever, though I rarely get past what was the first DVD when I originally bought it (digital format, it's one long movie). Jeff Lynn's production drives my ears nuts (apologies if that offends).
That aside, the doc's an amazing celebration of how unique and genius Petty was. Absolutely nothing like him before or since. Heartbreakers were "fingers of the same hand" as Petty said. Brilliant.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on May 12, 2019 15:45:29 GMT -6
It seemed bizarre to me how Jim Lenahan would be in Mudcrutch and then be the lighting designer for the Heartbreakers for about 40 years, and then suddenly leave around 2013 or 14. In retrospect, I wonder if his leaving had anything to do with being concerned about what was going on. That is a really interesting point. Never thought about that angle, but you may be onto something unless it was just time for him to retire or whatever. |
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Post by the other mark williams on May 12, 2019 15:53:31 GMT -6
[...] Jeff Lynn's production drives my ears nuts (apologies if that offends). You just offended the hell out of ragan . |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on May 12, 2019 21:07:27 GMT -6
[...] Jeff Lynn's production drives my ears nuts (apologies if that offends). You just offended the hell out of ragan . Apologies ahead of posts, then. I can't stand Lynne's milk toast production. Thin and lifeless. (Misspelled Lynne's name earlier, it seems). |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 12, 2019 21:38:14 GMT -6
You just offended the hell out of ragan . Apologies ahead of posts, then. I can't stand Lynne's milk toast production. Thin and lifeless. (Misspelled Lynne's name earlier, it seems). Your spelling is thin and lifeless.  |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on May 12, 2019 21:46:12 GMT -6
Apologies ahead of posts, then. I can't stand Lynne's milk toast production. Thin and lifeless. (Misspelled Lynne's name earlier, it seems). Your spelling is thin and lifeless. Ha ha!! Well played. Can't argue with that one. |
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Post by Mister Chase on May 12, 2019 23:04:54 GMT -6
Incredible loss, indeed. I overdosed on fentanyl in 2003 back before it was a "thing" like it is now. So many fall to that drug. Pain is a terrible thing that leads down that path.
He is as Americana and rock as it gets, IMO.
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Post by Mister Chase on May 12, 2019 23:07:15 GMT -6
He needed hip surgery, which has gotten pretty routine. In addition to Fentanyl, the autopsy listed Oxycodone, Xanax and several others that in combination are bad news. I kick myself that I never saw him live. Oxy and fentanyl are not uncommon together (fentanyl for short term burst or "break through" pain, oxy for long term management). The addition of Xanax is tough, though. Benzos are fairly addictive in nature, and are best used for the short term (especially Xanax, which has a short "ramp" and "tail" of action). Again, it's much easier to get into a negative feedback cycle with any of these than most people realize. Yep. Been addicted to benzo's twice. Started to OD on fentanyl once. Getting off the benzos each time was about the worst experience I've ever had in my life. They bind incredibly strongly to parts of the brain, and can actually be fatal if you cold turkey. |
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