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Post by hadaja on Jul 20, 2019 1:38:18 GMT -6
Well the Manley DI arrived and i gave it a quick test on Bass Guitar and yes better more versatile then the Radial JDI. I was actually surprised to hear more clarity on the top end maybe due to the tube in the Manley. I like the 5 way EQ selector (which is basically a Low end roll off filter) but I was surprised by how much you could roll off the low end using the EQ selector with my 5 x string bass and still get a lot of oomph on the low end. But the Manley is significantly more pricier then the Radial.
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Post by Quint on Jul 20, 2019 10:04:21 GMT -6
Do any of you have experience with the Ampeg PF20T or PF50T? You can run them without a cab. I have the PF50T. The DI from that into a Chandler Germ Pre sounds wonderful on bass. Which DI output are you running out of? I actually like to record both DI output options at once so that I have options to blend them later and/or use the preamp DI output for reamping later.
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Post by stormymondays on Jul 20, 2019 12:37:36 GMT -6
All this tube Ampeg talk is making my wallet hurt!!! I have a PF800, which sounds surprisingly good, for live use. One of those tube heads seems to be in my future...
Do they really do the B15 sound?
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Post by Quint on Jul 20, 2019 17:08:28 GMT -6
All this tube Ampeg talk is making my wallet hurt!!! I have a PF800, which sounds surprisingly good, for live use. One of those tube heads seems to be in my future... Do they really do the B15 sound?
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Post by Guitar on Jul 20, 2019 17:15:18 GMT -6
All this tube Ampeg talk is making my wallet hurt!!! I have a PF800, which sounds surprisingly good, for live use. One of those tube heads seems to be in my future... Do they really do the B15 sound? I thought they sounded quite a bit different. The original (clone) is "Ethereal" sounding to me, and the new one is more punchy and in your face. I recorded a couple of songs at Omega Studios in Maryland with an old band of mine and we used a vintage original Portaflex bass amp on my bass, but there was also a DI. When my friend sent me the mix he did, he had thrown away the Ampeg track and had mixed the DI into the song. I was kind of pissed off. I didn't tell anyone about it but I am still pissed off every time I see one of these things.
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Post by Quint on Jul 20, 2019 17:43:31 GMT -6
I thought they sounded quite a bit different. The original (clone) is "Ethereal" sounding to me, and the new one is more punchy and in your face. I recorded a couple of songs at Omega Studios in Maryland with an old band of mine and we used a vintage original Portaflex bass amp on my bass, but there was also a DI. When my friend sent me the mix he did, he had thrown away the Ampeg track and had mixed the DI into the song. I was kind of pissed off. I didn't tell anyone about it but I am still pissed off every time I see one of these things. They do sound a little different in that video, but but I have played on B15s (original, not a clone) before that sounded closer to my PF20T. Even if they're not exactly alike, the PF20T is still going for that type of sound and I think it does a great job providing the midrange growl that you would want from a B15. So I try to just use the PF20T for what it is rather than trying/hoping for it to be identical to a B15 (but it is close). It's just an excellent studio bass amp with a great sound and some really nice DI options. I don't lust for a B15 near as much as I used to.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 20, 2019 18:43:39 GMT -6
I thought they sounded quite a bit different. The original (clone) is "Ethereal" sounding to me, and the new one is more punchy and in your face. I recorded a couple of songs at Omega Studios in Maryland with an old band of mine and we used a vintage original Portaflex bass amp on my bass, but there was also a DI. When my friend sent me the mix he did, he had thrown away the Ampeg track and had mixed the DI into the song. I was kind of pissed off. I didn't tell anyone about it but I am still pissed off every time I see one of these things. They do sound a little different in that video, but but I have played on B15s (original, not a clone) before that sounded closer to my PF20T. Even if they're not exactly alike, the PF20T is still going for that type of sound and I think it does a great job providing the midrange growl that you would want from a B15. So I try to just use the PF20T for what it is rather than trying/hoping for it to be identical to a B15 (but it is close). It's just an excellent studio bass amp with a great sound and some really nice DI options. I don't lust for a B15 near as much as I used to. Yeah based on what I am hearing I would be happy with either one or both. The reality is I am using amp sims. Or my Hartke LH1000.
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Post by stormymondays on Jul 21, 2019 4:23:05 GMT -6
Even if they're not exactly alike, the PF20T is still going for that type of sound and I think it does a great job providing the midrange growl that you would want from a B15. So I try to just use the PF20T for what it is rather than trying/hoping for it to be identical to a B15 (but it is close). It's just an excellent studio bass amp with a great sound and some really nice DI options. I don't lust for a B15 near as much as I used to. Definitely on my "to buy" list. I wonder if the difference between the 20 and the 50 is worth it, since probably the 50 is still not loud enough for gigs.
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Post by Quint on Jul 21, 2019 6:45:22 GMT -6
Even if they're not exactly alike, the PF20T is still going for that type of sound and I think it does a great job providing the midrange growl that you would want from a B15. So I try to just use the PF20T for what it is rather than trying/hoping for it to be identical to a B15 (but it is close). It's just an excellent studio bass amp with a great sound and some really nice DI options. I don't lust for a B15 near as much as I used to. Definitely on my "to buy" list. I wonder if the difference between the 20 and the 50 is worth it, since probably the 50 is still not loud enough for gigs. I debated about getting the 50 also. I ended up going with the 20 because discussions online seemed to indicate that the 20 sounded a little closer to a B15 than the 50 and also because, like you said, the 50 wasn't going to be appreciably louder than the 20 for the purposes of gigging. Also, with the great DI options the 20 and 50 both have, you could always just run one or both out to the PA and just monitor off of that instead. But I still think that studio use is where the 20 and 50 both really shine. The dual DI options and the ability to run the head without being connected to a speaker cab are what sold me.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 21, 2019 8:28:41 GMT -6
That was a really good demo, thanks for posting Quint.
I hate to say it, but I have the IK Multimedia Amp bass amp plug-in. I actually had one of the amps they emulated, and I swear they sounded exactly the same, except the plug had no hum. I'm really picky, and almost any subtle difference between hardware and plug-ins is usually painfully obvious to me. But this one was enough to make me trade my bass amp for a guitar amp I needed.
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Post by swurveman on Jul 21, 2019 10:19:13 GMT -6
All this tube Ampeg talk is making my wallet hurt!!! I have a PF800, which sounds surprisingly good, for live use. One of those tube heads seems to be in my future... Do they really do the B15 sound? Thanks for posting. Liked the B-15 clone better.
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Post by din on Jul 21, 2019 11:06:04 GMT -6
I have the PF50T. The DI from that into a Chandler Germ Pre sounds wonderful on bass. Which DI output are you running out of? I actually like to record both DI output options at once so that I have options to blend them later and/or use the preamp DI output for reamping later. Whoa! I didn't even realize you could record from both outs simultaneously. That's really cool. I honestly don't remember which one I used. I had left it set up for a few months and made 3 or 4 records with it in that same configuration. I recently took the amp out for a gig and now I don't remember how I had it. Bummer. I guess I'll just have to try both again.
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Post by Quint on Jul 21, 2019 15:30:46 GMT -6
Which DI output are you running out of? I actually like to record both DI output options at once so that I have options to blend them later and/or use the preamp DI output for reamping later. Whoa! I didn't even realize you could record from both outs simultaneously. That's really cool. I honestly don't remember which one I used. I had left it set up for a few months and made 3 or 4 records with it in that same configuration. I recently took the amp out for a gig and now I don't remember how I had it. Bummer. I guess I'll just have to try both again. They talk more about that feature here: www.premierguitar.com/articles/23464-ampeg-pf-50t-review
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 21, 2019 20:25:53 GMT -6
They do sound a little different in that video, but but I have played on B15s (original, not a clone) before that sounded closer to my PF20T. Even if they're not exactly alike, the PF20T is still going for that type of sound and I think it does a great job providing the midrange growl that you would want from a B15. So I try to just use the PF20T for what it is rather than trying/hoping for it to be identical to a B15 (but it is close). It's just an excellent studio bass amp with a great sound and some really nice DI options. I don't lust for a B15 near as much as I used to. Yeah based on what I am hearing I would be happy with either one or both. The reality is I am using amp sims. Or my Hartke LH1000. My condolences.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 22, 2019 21:58:20 GMT -6
All this tube Ampeg talk is making my wallet hurt!!! I have a PF800, which sounds surprisingly good, for live use. One of those tube heads seems to be in my future... Do they really do the B15 sound? I just love that tile. The clone looks like an old crappy cable box with a 90's answering machine on top of it, lol.
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Post by mike on Aug 9, 2019 13:01:29 GMT -6
This video compares a few of those mentioned on Bass. The RNDI fares well here and has me interested. The comparisons start around the 50 second mark.
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Post by sirthought on Aug 9, 2019 16:01:13 GMT -6
I thought the RNDI and the Radial JDI sounded best to me. Very different, but both were smooth and controlled and offered a nice push to the sound. I thought the Avalon was really too understated for me. Not very interesting, which surprises me based on word of mouth compliments. The Portico was okay, but a little too pokey sounding for my tastes.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 9, 2019 17:21:44 GMT -6
My faves in that video were the Radial J48 (own one myself) and the Avalon U5, which has always intrigued me.
The RNDI was "OK" or perfectly usable.
For some reason the JDI doesn't do it for me any more. Sold mine.
Countryman 85 always has this slight treble edge to it or something, just a tiny bit hard sounding.
I guess I didn't love the Portico channel either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 1:19:13 GMT -6
They need to do 6-8 channel 19 racked rndi. I also been checking out the phoenix audio 8channel di rack. Anybody has any experience with it? If I'm not mistaking I think I read somewhere the company owners also worked for neve
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