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Post by javamad on Apr 25, 2019 1:30:27 GMT -6
I have 2 BF Apollo 8's and also the Audient 880. On the way in I don't tend to do much compression or EQ but because I have the 880 insert points on the patchbay I tend to use them with my Distressors on overheads or my HW Zener on Kick/Snare. That said I get great results using the Unison API Channel strip with the Apollo pre's. I did try the 8 Apollo bare pre's against the Audients pres when I got them but that was a while ago and I am such a crap drummer I didn't come to any conclusions. I did notice some extra girth in the Audient but that could have been the Audient converters. I guess the real test of Pre vs. pre would be to go from the Audient pre's into the line ins of the Apollos. Very happy with both anyways though I just got my hands on a UA4110 a couple of weeks ago and that is definitely up a level :-) Do you have any intention of going to the X series Apollo? Yes. Right now that looks like a good upgrade path to me. There are a couple of items like a new studio computer and some 3-way monitors plus a few more mics higher up on the list though... maan its a long list :-) |
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 25, 2019 1:40:47 GMT -6
Do you have any intention of going to the X series Apollo? Yes. Right now that looks like a good upgrade path to me. There are a couple of items like a new studio computer and some 3-way monitors plus a few more mics higher up on the list though... maan its a long list :-) . Lol...I know what you mean about those long lists! 😁 |
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Post by brucerothwell on Apr 25, 2019 15:40:22 GMT -6
Aren’t they both simply ic chips? As the X is a much newer design, isn’t the pre surrounded by better signal path in the X, I think the audient is plus 5 years old ? There audient users at ua forum. From what I understand the Audient is a discrete transistor/op amp design. Not IC. I concur. In fact, it was my understanding they are the same preamps that are in their top-end large format consoles. |
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Post by subspace on Apr 25, 2019 19:20:39 GMT -6
From what I understand the Audient is a discrete transistor/op amp design. Not IC. I concur. In fact, it was my understanding they are the same preamps that are in their top-end large format consoles. The Audient is transistor pairs in front of an IC, just like the ASP consoles, just like the DDA consoles before them. They are not monolithic "preamp on a chip" designs like most interfaces, but they are certainly IC based. The Apollo has a secret undocumented preamp model available, if you set the Unison plug to 'bypass' it will do a dead-on model of a TI PGA2500. Closest preamp model I've ever heard. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 25, 2019 21:18:46 GMT -6
I concur. In fact, it was my understanding they are the same preamps that are in their top-end large format consoles. The Audient is transistor pairs in front of an IC, just like the ASP consoles, just like the DDA consoles before them. They are not monolithic "preamp on a chip" designs like most interfaces, but they are certainly IC based. The Apollo has a secret undocumented preamp model available, if you set the Unison plug to 'bypass' it will do a dead-on model of a TI PGA2500. Closest preamp model I've ever heard. While the Audient pre’s are indeed hybrid most DDA’s use the SSM2017 pre on a chip including my FMR! |
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Post by subspace on Apr 26, 2019 1:51:51 GMT -6
The Audient is transistor pairs in front of an IC, just like the ASP consoles, just like the DDA consoles before them. They are not monolithic "preamp on a chip" designs like most interfaces, but they are certainly IC based. The Apollo has a secret undocumented preamp model available, if you set the Unison plug to 'bypass' it will do a dead-on model of a TI PGA2500. Closest preamp model I've ever heard. While the Audient pre’s are indeed hybrid most DDA’s use the SSM2017 pre on a chip including my FMR! Hm, the AMR I tracked on was a discrete trasistor pair feeding an IC, pretty similar. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 26, 2019 4:42:40 GMT -6
I’ve heard so many good things about the Audient stuff, I was very close to going with their 24 channel console at one point, but pulled the reigns back in and decided to just get some choice outboard and stay in the box a while longer.
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Post by ericn on Apr 26, 2019 8:22:09 GMT -6
While the Audient pre’s are indeed hybrid most DDA’s use the SSM2017 pre on a chip including my FMR! Hm, the AMR I tracked on was a discrete trasistor pair feeding an IC, pretty similar. The AMR, S/M and maybe D series have a hybrid with the TL076 family opamp, I think these pre date the SSM pre chips, but they have little uncommon with the current Audient pres that are so much of an improvement. |
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Post by subspace on Apr 26, 2019 11:28:15 GMT -6
Hm, the AMR I tracked on was a discrete trasistor pair feeding an IC, pretty similar. The AMR, S/M and maybe D series have a hybrid with the TL076 family opamp, I think these pre date the SSM pre chips, but they have little uncommon with the current Audient pres that are so much of an improvement. Never used them side-by-side, using the DDA in the mid 2000s lead me to buying the Audient in 2011. Tracked a male/female duo with an acoustic for 11 songs last night, all through the console pres. |
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