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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 15, 2019 12:48:34 GMT -6
I figure you guys might dig this. The other night a band finished up at the studio so I sat down at the kit and tracked a little something. This is a song that my band wrote back in 2007 or so. I basically dropped the already mixed file from 2007 into Pro Tools, set up my phone, sat at the drums, and ran a take of the song. Then I edited the video down and mixed the new drums over the old instrument tracks. This wasn't something serious, just screwing around at the studio, but I think it ended up being a pretty cool comparison. Here is the comparison of Raw Drums vs. Solo Mixed vs. In The Mix! www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW7P13_wkGNvzKSzbrVttCp16jmtk-_Sw |
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Post by svart on Apr 15, 2019 13:07:19 GMT -6
Neat. Drums sound pretty big but somehow don't really fit the other instruments.. Or maybe the instruments don't fit the drums.
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Post by Ward on Apr 15, 2019 13:26:36 GMT -6
Neat. Drums sound pretty big but somehow don't really fit the other instruments.. Or maybe the instruments don't fit the drums. Agree complet4ly. You want really dead drums, almost like all samples or 808 shit with this. But the solo mixed drums sound GREAT!!!! Jus need bass and guitar amps in the same room, even recorded serpately but the same room . . .and then it'll really work together! JMHO, YMMV TETO |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 15, 2019 13:42:53 GMT -6
I assume svart and Ward didn't wait until the chorus bumps in at :40 or so. |
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Post by svart on Apr 15, 2019 13:58:52 GMT -6
I assume svart and Ward didn't wait until the chorus bumps in at :40 or so. That's where I felt it was the worst mismatch.. Not being critical here, I think it's just the instruments don't fit the way the drums sound. I'm with Ward on this, the instruments as-is want some kind of poppy dry drum sound. |
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Post by sirthought on Apr 15, 2019 15:39:01 GMT -6
I think I have to agree with these guys. Drums sound nice and big on their own, but somehow seem too "wet" or pumped out for the mix.
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Post by jampa on Apr 15, 2019 16:12:01 GMT -6
Fun comparison thanks!
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Post by Ward on Apr 15, 2019 16:33:34 GMT -6
I assume svart and Ward didn't wait until the chorus bumps in at :40 or so. Yes, you were kind enough to put your self out there with this . . . I wa decent enough to listen to all of it. Everything is awesome. Just two different styles that fight each other You do GREAT work, so please don't let me offend you... even though I'm REALLY good at it |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 15, 2019 18:30:02 GMT -6
I assume svart and Ward didn't wait until the chorus bumps in at :40 or so. Yes, you were kind enough to put your self out there with this . . . I wa decent enough to listen to all of it. Everything is awesome. Just two different styles that fight each other You do GREAT work, so please don't let me offend you... even though I'm REALLY good at it Nah, not offended at all. No worries man. |
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Post by christopher on Apr 15, 2019 22:03:01 GMT -6
I love real drums whenever possible. Also reading others comments. So for this it sounds like the original mix was probably a little midrange forward/pop kind of thing, your real drums are little midrange laid back and rock thing. I’d try scoop the mids on mix, boost the highs, should lay together easier? Still pretty cool for a quick overdub. Which BTW overdubbing drums is really difficult for most IME, you are really good at it!
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Post by schmalzy on Apr 16, 2019 2:00:03 GMT -6
SUPER interesting! Thanks for sharing!
I'd be curious to hear the drums off the mics rather than camera audio. I'm never too sure what I'm supposed to be getting out of my drum mics other than "make the instrument sound as good as you can in the room then place mics, tweak a little, set fire, back away!"
It always feels like my entire drum mixing job for stuff tracked in my space is this: scoop the garbage (lots of 300-700hz-ish and I think my favorite spot for drums in my room has a node around 170hz...right where the kick and snare can interact!), deal with the harsh, and brighten a surprising amount. I primarily work on modern rock, punk, hardcore, and metal so I don't often get to leave stuff as natural as I'd sometimes like.
How does everyone else's drum mix process go?
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Post by jampa on Apr 16, 2019 3:33:50 GMT -6
^ Just checking, did you see the second video, "solo drum playthrough"?
These days I start the mix a lot more in the recording and arranging phases, e.g. choose a brighter/darker snare; are they busy/spacious parts etc. A busy part might be constantly making the room gunky, but a spacious part might be room gunk you can live with.
I won't hesitate to scoop those low mids though either!
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Post by schmalzy on Apr 16, 2019 9:52:48 GMT -6
^ Just checking, did you see the second video, "solo drum playthrough"? These days I start the mix a lot more in the recording and arranging phases, e.g. choose a brighter/darker snare; are they busy/spacious parts etc. A busy part might be constantly making the room gunky, but a spacious part might be room gunk you can live with. I won't hesitate to scoop those low mids though either! I did watch the three videos. What I heard was this: 1. Camera audio 2. Mixed drums 3. Mixed drums in the track. I guess I was curious about hearing a not-yet-existent video "1.5" where no mix-style moves were done. If he did all that on the way in, then that's super cool. To me, the drums definitely feel like there's been bit done to them after the fact. Not in a bad way but in a "more precise and drastic way than I'd be comfortable doing on the way in" way. |
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 16, 2019 10:33:16 GMT -6
Would you say the mixed drums are a “modern” drum sound? Scooped in the (low?)mids and bright up top?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 16, 2019 11:26:49 GMT -6
^ Just checking, did you see the second video, "solo drum playthrough"? These days I start the mix a lot more in the recording and arranging phases, e.g. choose a brighter/darker snare; are they busy/spacious parts etc. A busy part might be constantly making the room gunky, but a spacious part might be room gunk you can live with. I won't hesitate to scoop those low mids though either! I did watch the three videos. What I heard was this: 1. Camera audio 2. Mixed drums 3. Mixed drums in the track. I guess I was curious about hearing a not-yet-existent video "1.5" where no mix-style moves were done. If he did all that on the way in, then that's super cool. To me, the drums definitely feel like there's been bit done to them after the fact. Not in a bad way but in a "more precise and drastic way than I'd be comfortable doing on the way in" way. So you want a live capture mix? Faders only. I can do that. I won't sync with the video, but I can run off an audio bounce. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 16, 2019 11:39:44 GMT -6
Would you say the mixed drums are a “modern” drum sound? Scooped in the (low?)mids and bright up top? I think this is fatter in the lows than most modern stuff. Modern kick is usually much more clicky with a sample. The band I had in was sort of a stoner jammy type band. Just a trio, so I wanted fat drums for their sound. Their drummer also plays real light and I play more savage-like. Everything was set for him. I had to pull some gains down, but nothing was scientific. The overheads ended up getting pretty hammered with compression because I was hitting so much harder. If I was tracking this actual song, I would have used my 20x12x14 DW maple kit with coated Emperors and a Superkick III. The SKIII has more focused attack for a modern sound and the Emperors have a more focused and dryer sound. This kit was my 22x13x16 Barton Beech kit with clear toms and an EMAD2 on the kick. It's a great kit, but it's my go to for big, fat drums. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 16, 2019 11:40:50 GMT -6
These days I start the mix a lot more in the recording and arranging phases, e.g. choose a brighter/darker snare; are they busy/spacious parts etc. A busy part might be constantly making the room gunky, but a spacious part might be room gunk you can live with. I won't hesitate to scoop those low mids though either! +1 |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 16, 2019 11:47:39 GMT -6
I love real drums whenever possible. Also reading others comments. So for this it sounds like the original mix was probably a little midrange forward/pop kind of thing, your real drums are little midrange laid back and rock thing. I’d try scoop the mids on mix, boost the highs, should lay together easier? Still pretty cool for a quick overdub. Which BTW overdubbing drums is really difficult for most IME, you are really good at it! Nope, not a pop thing. We were a pretty heavy rock band that happened to have an R&B singer. Haha. I'm not gonna mess with the mix or anything, this was just for fun with an hour of free time in the studio because the band finished early. I actually cut out the beginning and end of the track. The top was sloppy getting the feel and I couldn't play the bridge without my double bass pedal and China. 😂😂 The actual song from 10 years ago is here if you guys wanna listen. I cringe a bit listening back (especially with that weak snare 😂), but it was a moment in time. It's the first track on the page... www.themixinghouse.com/artist/transcardia/ |
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Post by svart on Apr 16, 2019 13:11:51 GMT -6
I love real drums whenever possible. Also reading others comments. So for this it sounds like the original mix was probably a little midrange forward/pop kind of thing, your real drums are little midrange laid back and rock thing. I’d try scoop the mids on mix, boost the highs, should lay together easier? Still pretty cool for a quick overdub. Which BTW overdubbing drums is really difficult for most IME, you are really good at it! Nope, not a pop thing. We were a pretty heavy rock band that happened to have an R&B singer. Haha. I'm not gonna mess with the mix or anything, this was just for fun with an hour of free time in the studio because the band finished early. I actually cut out the beginning and end of the track. The top was sloppy getting the feel and I couldn't play the bridge without my double bass pedal and China. 😂😂 The actual song from 10 years ago is here if you guys wanna listen. I cringe a bit listening back (especially with that weak snare 😂), but it was a moment in time. It's the first track on the page... www.themixinghouse.com/artist/transcardia/A band finishing early? Lies. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 16, 2019 13:14:16 GMT -6
Nope, not a pop thing. We were a pretty heavy rock band that happened to have an R&B singer. Haha. I'm not gonna mess with the mix or anything, this was just for fun with an hour of free time in the studio because the band finished early. I actually cut out the beginning and end of the track. The top was sloppy getting the feel and I couldn't play the bridge without my double bass pedal and China. 😂😂 The actual song from 10 years ago is here if you guys wanna listen. I cringe a bit listening back (especially with that weak snare 😂), but it was a moment in time. It's the first track on the page... www.themixinghouse.com/artist/transcardia/A band finishing early? Lies. ...their drummer walked out. Looks like they're in the market for a new one now. 😂😂 |
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Post by svart on Apr 16, 2019 13:14:50 GMT -6
A band finishing early? Lies. ...their drummer walked out. Looks like they're in the market for a new one now. 😂😂 Ok, that's believable. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 16, 2019 14:25:37 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 17, 2019 11:52:53 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Apr 17, 2019 12:19:35 GMT -6
Now those drums sound a bit more "in style" with the instruments. |
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